CODE 4

[Robeenhuut]

Here are my stats:

02-Jan   10
04-Jan   10
06-Jan   10
07-Jan   10
10-Jan   10
11-Jan   10
12-Jan   10
13-Jan   10
14-Jan   10
15-Jan   10
16-Jan   08
17-Jan   10
18-Jan   10
19-Jan   10
20-Jan   10
21-Jan   -78
22-Jan   10
23-Jan   10
24-Jan   10
25-Jan   10
26-Jan   10
29-Jan   -75
30-Jan   08

01-Feb   10
02-Feb   10
03-Feb   10
04-Feb   10
05-Feb   10
06-Feb   10
07-Feb   10
08-Feb   10
09-Feb   -74
10-Feb   10
11-Feb   08
12-Feb   10
13-Feb   09
14-Feb   10
15-Feb   10
16-Feb   10
17-Feb   10
18-Feb   10
19-Feb   10
20-Feb   10
21-Feb   09
22-Feb   10
23-Feb   10
24-Feb   10
25-Feb   10
26-Feb   -78
27-Feb   10
28-Feb   10

01-Mar   10
02-Mar   10
03-Mar   10
04-Mar   10
05-Mar   10
06-Mar   10
07-Mar   10
08-Mar   10
09-Mar   10
10-Mar   -73
11-Mar   10
12-Mar   10
13-Mar   10
14-Mar   10
15-Mar   -75
16-Mar   -80
17-Mar   10
18-Mar   10
19-Mar   10
20-Mar   10
21-Mar   10
22-Mar   10
23-Mar   10
24-Mar   10
25-Mar   10
26-Mar   10
27-Mar   10
28-Mar   10
29-Mar   10
30-Mar   10
31-Mar   10

01-Apr   08
03-Apr   10
04-Apr   10
05-Apr   10
06-Apr   10
07-Apr   10
08-Apr   10
09-Apr   10
10-Apr   10
11-Apr   -74
12-Apr   10
13-Apr   08
14-Apr   10
15-Apr   10

Total = +261

I have a feeling this will make about 700 units a year but not many people have the patience, discipline or time to play this every day for ONLY 10 games and walk away....

B27

Hello Bettor 27

I guess that your strike rate is around 110/1 which makes you tiny profit. I would say that its typical for this type of bet. You lost 8 games in around 900 games played. What would happen in next 900 games is anybody guess. Most probably it should hover around 100/1 level. Anything better than 81 to 1 makes you profit. You are not as lucky as JL who at one time reported winning 600 games in a row and reports strike rate of 300/1 or better.
How many games to play a day to get best results is really anybody guess. One is certain. Playing it continuously will not work due to laws of probability in large number of events.
To me there is nothing special in this method. I used to bet against formation of last 4 DZ if there are all DZ in it. For example if 1232 you bet, if 1222 you don't bet. You have 4 bets to win like in CODE 4 and the same chance. I had similar stats like yours. Sometimes winning streaks of around 200 but few times 2 loses in a row. Its typical in hit and run type of play against any pattern.
What pattern it is does not really matter. Roulette wheel does not have memory and no matter how many spins you wait your chance of winning one bet here is exactly the same. 2/3 if you bet against
1 DZ or CL. The rest is just pure luck and if you have it you can make some profit in the long run playing in short sessions.

Regards

[Bettor 27]

I guess that your strike rate is around 110/1 which makes you tiny profit. I would say that its typical for this type of bet. You lost 8 games in around 900 games played. What would happen in next 900 games is anybody guess. Most probably it should hover around 100/1 level. Anything better than 81 to 1 makes you profit...

I used to bet against formation of last 4 DZ if there are all DZ in it. For example if 1232 you bet, if 1222 you don't bet. You have 4 bets to win like in CODE 4 and the same chance. I had similar stats like yours. Sometimes winning streaks of around 200 but few times 2 loses in a row. Its typical in hit and run type of play against any pattern.

Hi Robeenhuut,

I agree with you that this bet selection is nothing special - it the method - the hit and run type of play that improves the odds for the punter and provides a "typical" advantage in comparison to continual play.

My aim with this bet selection is +500 units a year.

You say your had similar stats playing against the formation of last 4 dozens - what was the end outcome of this type of play for you? Was there an advantage? Did it ever reverse all gains over the longer term?

Regards

B 27

[Robeenhuut]

Hi Robeenhuut,

I agree with you that this bet selection is nothing special - it the method - the hit and run type of play that improves the odds for the punter and provides a "typical" advantage in comparison to continual play.

My aim with this bet selection is +500 units a year.

You say your had similar stats playing against the formation of last 4 dozens - what was the end outcome of this type of play for you? Was there an advantage? Did it ever reverse all gains over the longer term?

Regards

B 27

I play now different systems, mostly repeaters flat or mild progression. Reverse Dz are as good a system as any Dz system except some opportunity bets. I had some success with it and never lost whole prog. I just dont like idea of risking 81 units to win 1 anymore. I generally would not  play anything with progression when you need more than  20 winning games to recover from 1 loss.
Generally i play progression with some trigger when i see some favorable conditions.

Regards 

[Maui13]

@ Bettor27


Would you mind sharing more stats?


Things like how many first bet wins, 2nd, 3rd and 4th bet wins.
Why 10 games and not more/less?
Your progression? 1,3,9,27
Do you play the 10 games back 2 back, or do you play staggered during the day?


Special or not so special - doesn't really matter...what matters is that +261 after 3,5 months of play. That to me is important. ((( just imagine 100$ units...that's 7000$ per month...not to bad if you ask me.... even if you half that....still not bad!!! )))


What would be really nice is if you can post back after every month...and update your stats. If this hits the year mark with consistent profits...... well then everyone would have to decide for themselves!


I'm a believer! 


Regards,
M

[Robeenhuut]

@ Bettor27


Would you mind sharing more stats?


Things like how many first bet wins, 2nd, 3rd and 4th bet wins.
Why 10 games and not more/less?
Your progression? 1,3,9,27
Do you play the 10 games back 2 back, or do you play staggered during the day?


Special or not so special - doesn't really matter...what matters is that +261 after 3,5 months of play. That to me is important. ((( just imagine 100$ units...that's 7000$ per month...not to bad if you ask me.... even if you half that....still not bad!!! )))


What would be really nice is if you can post back after every month...and update your stats. If this hits the year mark with consistent profits...... well then everyone would have to decide for themselves!


I'm a believer! 


Regards,
M

And what would you accomplish with this info?. Bettor strike rate is around 100/1,  JL reports 300/1.
Anything over 81/1 makes you profit. You might get 200 wins in a row or 2 loses in a row and you are down 1600$ playing with 10$ as a unit. Look at his betting history. Do you see 2 loses in a row? And 1 loss 50 games before?   Its pure gambling so good luck.

Regards

[Robeenhuut]

And what would you accomplish with this info?. Bettor strike rate is around 100/1,  JL reports 300/1.
Somebody else i probaably at 60/1. Anything over 81/1 makes you profit. You might get 200 wins in a row or 2 loses in a row and you are down 1600$ playing with 10$ as a unit. Look at his betting history. Do you see 2 loses in a row? And 1 loss 50 games before?   Its pure gambling so good luck.

Regards

[Bettor 27]

Would you mind sharing more stats?
Things like how many first bet wins, 2nd, 3rd and 4th bet wins.
Why 10 games and not more/less?
Your progression? 1,3,9,27
Do you play the 10 games back 2 back, or do you play staggered during the day?

Hi Maui13,

I dont keep stats re 1st, 2nd, 3rd or 4th bet wins

I use 1,3,9,27 progression on a LIVE wheel.

Method of play is:
1A3B--CODE 1 FOR GAME 1
2A2A--CODE 2 FOR GAME 2
1B3C-------------------------VIRTUAL LINE BETWEEN TRIGGERS AND GAMES
1A2C--GAME 1 WIN BET 3
3B1C--GAME 2 WIN BET 1

Then leave the table for minimum 1 hour.

Repeat this 4 more times for a total of 10 games a day

Regards

B27

[Drazen]

Please allow me just my 2 cents guys.


About progression. Have you ever thought about +2 on a lose and -1 on a win restarting whenever in plus or break even with same principales of hit and run you are using? Because it obviously works for some of you


This one could worth maybe even more than 2 cents. 5? LoL


Try using Lanky-s six point divisor plan. It is very good MM.


You can also compare some of your sessions with above mentioned progressions and see how each handles fluctations, and is there any longterm diferrence maybe?


Good luck


Drazen

[Maui13]

And what would you accomplish with this info?. Bettor strike rate is around 100/1,  JL reports 300/1.
Anything over 81/1 makes you profit. You might get 200 wins in a row or 2 loses in a row and you are down 1600$ playing with 10$ as a unit. Look at his betting history. Do you see 2 loses in a row? And 1 loss 50 games before?  Its pure gambling so good luck.

Regards

Agreed - it's pure gambling...isn't this what roulette is about? Gambling? Everyone here seems to be happy with 2 - 5 units a day...regardless of method..... here CODE4 is doing exactly that, average 2 units a day....isn't that enough proof? The part I don't get is... "luck"??  how can luck be in profit over 3,5 months? If it was a week...so be it...but not every day play! All I'm saying is, let this roll for the year of 2012....the results should then give the verdict.


@Bettor27 - Please be so kind to post back your findings after every month!


Regards,
M

[Robeenhuut]

Agreed - it's pure gambling...isn't this what roulette is about? Gambling? Everyone here seems to be happy with 2 - 5 units a day...regardless of method..... here CODE4 is doing exactly that, average 2 units a day....isn't that enough proof? The part I don't get is... "luck"??  how can luck be in profit over 3,5 months? If it was a week...so be it...but not every day play! All I'm saying is, let this roll for the year of 2012....the results should then give the verdict.


@Bettor27 - Please be so kind to post back your findings after every month!


Regards,
M

Yeah

Its pure gambling  agreed. How about if you play a random method that lets you recover in 4 spins.  How about 1,2,4,8 marti? Once i ran a streak of 15 consecutive winning bets  betting against pattern of 5 spins of EC's. The next day i went down 21 u because i was wrong 6 times in a row.
Code 4 is not different - it offers you false sense of security by betting on some elaborate pattern with some spins delay but it boils down to 4 steps on betting of Dz or Cl. Its gamblers fallacy in a pure form.
The sooner you realize that the better - i just dont believe that people still fall for this 
How about imaginary Code 5 with 1 to 243 chance of losing?  Based on laws
of probability you can encounter a streak of wins in excess of 400 games quite often but 1 loss is going is going to cost you 243 units. How about 2 in a row?  If you want 2 bet like this i suggest that you pick up method with fairly low chance of losing like for example betting in 6 steps against 1 dozen repeating. 1/729 are the odds - similar to 1 Ec hitting 9 or 10 times in a row. You saw it few times already hehe? But you can have a winning streaks of excess of 1000 games but.... 1 loss is going to cost you 729 u.
Its really that simple - hit and run might make you profit for many games in a row but also destroy your BR in 2 games. I would use hit and pray term  for this type of play.
And there is no reliable data in this type of dynamic bet.  Get the sample of 1000 games and  the next sample can produce completely different results 

Regards
   

[Drazen]

One way or antoher, i think you are all delusioned here with winning on every step of the progression.


When you get away yourself from that way of thinking here, maybe you will have slight better chances??


Regards


Drazen

[Bettor 27]

About progression. Have you ever thought about +2 on a lose and -1 on a win restarting whenever in plus or break even with same principales of hit and run you are using?

Hi drazen_cro,

Here is todays result (+6) using your suggested progression - can you confirm I have it correct:

BET       W/L      PROFIT/LOSS      BALANCE
01         W         +01                     +01
01         W         +01                     +02
01         L          -02                     0
03         L          -06                     -06
05         L          -10                     -16
07         W          +07                     -09
06         W          +06                     -03
05         L          -10                     -13
07         L          -14                     -27
09         W          +09                     -18
08         L          -16                     -34
10         W          +10                     -24
09         W          +09                     -15
08         W          +08                     -07
07         W          +07                     0
06         W          +06                     +6

Regards

B27

[Drazen]

Yes my friend. Like that.

Maybe it is better to relly on spread of L-s and W-s of this method to pull you up from hole then profit from straight wins?

Because with progression like that 1W breaks even with 1L.

Now you can also make maybe some levels, but that is up to you.

Regards

Drazen

[Dutchy]

       drazen_cro,like your progression of +2 on a loss and -1 on a loss.I agree it's tough to be ahead on every step of the progression and with it you have a fighting chance of a few units,and on the cheap!
       Bettor 27 it's a winner until proven otherwise.If it's working for you stay with it.
       Robeenhuut,1/729 playing 6 steps against one dozen repeating looks mighty appealing,I'll have to check this one out.

[Maui13]

One way or antoher, i think you are all delusioned here with winning on every step of the progression.

Drazen - whoever said that we are aiming to win on EVERY step of the progression???


Read the rules of CODE 4 - then feel free to comment like above if you still don't understand.


@ Robeenhuut - You are right, and I agree! My point is this - in over a 100 days (day 2 day) play there is $$$profit$$$. PERIOD 


Regards
M