CODE 4

[Johnlegend]

Well I had a bit of bad luck. Was betting £2 units...I'd just moved up from £1 units as well 

Anyway....I was taken to the 4th Bet and was supposed to go 81-81 (£162 and £162) with 10 on zero but I didn't notice the tracker and instead of using columns I used dozens and lost. Was gutted and I didn't step back...I got a huge rush of blood and went to the 5th Bet 243-243 £486 and £486) and I forgot to cover zero with a £50 bet.....zero dropped in and I smiled to myself thinking I'd recovered and won a bit on the 1800 I was due....my heart dropped when I realised I'd not covered zero in time. Id spent time working out the 5th bet amounts and I didn't leave myself enough time to cover zero.

I'm taking a couple of weeks to move house then I'm starting back again. All in all I'm still up a couple of hundred but I'd withdrawn that amount and bought a computer for my daughter.

I still believe this method is the way forward played hit and run like I was doing.

John can I ask you what way you record wins...do you have a spreadsheet or what? I would like to find something easy to use...notepad file perhaps?

Hello Subby you are making a classic mistake. Moving up too fast. Youve had a phenomenal run of success but its your bankroll that should dictate your growth in risk not your confidence. That said yours was a mistake of judgement rather than random biting you.
KEEP IT SIMPLE. The best tracker on earth remains your eyes and pen and paper. that's what I use. I am not into trackers and rackers. Just plain eyes on the ball. You say you play hit and run. What is your personal employment of this. 1,2,4,10 games per session??

In my case it remains TWO games per session with the third and fourth games simply recorded to strengthen my belief that hit and run played in short bursts is a superior application to straight long drawn out sessions. AND IT IS. To illustrate this. Had I even played just 4 game sessions since I started using AMKs gem. Instead of 15 losing games to date. I would have 34. That proves to me beyond a shadow of a doubt two by two is the superior choice.

To give you an indication of where you should have been before you moved up to 2 units per game. Your total bankroll should be AT LEAST 10 times the size of your total risk for any given game. Ideally 20 times bigger.Also I don't cover zero and you shouldnt stretch to a 5th bet. Its going beyond the parameters of the game and the reality of where you are. I have made over 6,000 units with CODE 4 and I wouldnt play a fifth step.

I know the temptation is always there especially when you get off to a flying start like you did. your confidence is sky high and you start to feel invincible. Complacency and the feeling that you can risk larger sums NOW creeps in. I've been there made every classic mistake a gambler can make and lost thousands in the process. They were all lessons hard learnt.
Finding the discipline to play this game properly is one thing. maintaining it is quite something else again. Well that's my tuppence on the matter. I hope you will recover when you're-commence and push forward sensibly.

[wolfat]

RESULTS UPDATE FOR CODE 4 FOR 15/05/12

TOTAL GAMES PLAYED 4,500

TOTAL GAMES WON 4,485

TOTAL GAMES LOST 15

STRIKERATE 299/1

BALANCE 6,400 UNITS PLUS

STEP 1 WINS=2,107

STEP 2 WINS=1,392

STEP 3 WINS=878

STEP 4 WINS=108----LOSSES=15

The last 1,000 games I have played has been my least sucessful period to date. I believe this is because I am playing a greater volume of games per calendar day exposing myself a little more to randoms ebb and flow than I was in the beginning. Nevertheless. 249/1 over the last 1,000 games is still very positive. This is how those losses came within the 1,000 game span.

273 won 1 lost

506 won 1 lost

49 won 1 lost

108 won 1 lost----current winning streak 60 games.

As you can see its possible to win several hundred games between losses. Then have shorter periods. I have never lost two games in a row. In fact theres always been at least 20 winning games between losses. This method is my main bread and butter method at present.

HI JL,
compiments for your hard work!
I noticed 1 thing. You played 4500 games where you get a win in the 1st step 2107 times. This means that if I play the same system BUT AGAINST your bet selection (say if you have to play doz 1 and 3 instead I bet doz 2) I win 2393 times (4500-2107) = +4786 units flat betting (around 1 unit per game) at really no risk and this just betting the 1st step.
What do you think? 

[Johnlegend]

HI JL,
compiments for your hard work!
I noticed 1 thing. You played 4500 games where you get a win in the 1st step 2107 times. This means that if I play the same system BUT AGAINST your bet selection (say if you have to play doz 1 and 3 instead I bet doz 2) I win 2393 times (4500-2107) = +4786 units flat betting (around 1 unit per game) at really no risk and this just betting the 1st step.
What do you think? 

Yes that is interesting isnt it. Why didn't I think of that? LoL The thing is you need to play a large number of games to see that clearly. I have had sessions in a calendar day where out of the 20 games played 14 or more won on the first step sometimes 5 or 6 games in a row. It swings and roundabouts. But your reverse idea flat betting is indeed worth investigating.
Over the long haul it may be a grail a pure grail as it meets all the requirments of the purists. Hmmm food for thought. The Wolfat commeth. Great observation.

[atlantis]

Hi JohnL,

Yes it is definately interesting:

Play 1-1-1-2 progression on each line for SAME AS ABOVE doz/col
Stop at any winner on the line!

1a3a - start line
1c1a - w2                             +2
2c1b - L1,w2                         +3
1c2a - L1,w2                         +4
3c1a - L1,w2                         +5
3c1c - w2                              +7
3b2b - w2                              +9
1c3b - L1,L1,L1,w4                 +10
2b1c - L1,L1,L1,L2                 +5
2c2b - w2                              +7
2c1c - w2                              +9
2c2c - w2                              +11
1c1b - L1,w2                          +12
3a2b - L1,L1,L1,w4                 +13
1c2b - L1,L1,w2                     +13
1c1b - w2                              +15
3c2b - L1, w2                         +16
2b3a - L1,L1,L1,L2                 +11
2b2b - w2                              +13
2c2a - w2                              +15
1a3b - L1,L1,L1,L2                 +10   
1c1a - w2                              +12
3a1b - L1,L1,w2                      +12
1c2b - L1,L1,L1,w4                 +13
3a1a - L1,L1,L1,L2                 +8
1c2a - L1,L1,L1,w4                 +9
1a3a - w2                               +11
1a1b - w2                               +13
3a1a - L1,w2                           +14
2b1a - L1,L1,w2                      +14
1c1b - L1,L1,w2                      +14
1c1a - w2                               +16
1c1b - w2                               +18
2b3b - L1,L1,L1,w4                  +19
1a3b - L1,L1,w2                      +19
3a2c - L1,w2                           +20
stop
+20

A.

[Johnlegend]

Hi JohnL,

Yes it is definately interesting:

Play 1-1-1-2 progression on each line for SAME AS ABOVE doz/col
Stop at any winner on the line!

1a3a - start line
1c1a - w2                             +2
2c1b - L1,w2                         +3
1c2a - L1,w2                         +4
3c1a - L1,w2                         +5
3c1c - w2                              +7
3b2b - w2                              +9
1c3b - L1,L1,L1,w4                 +10
2b1c - L1,L1,L1,L2                 +5
2c2b - w2                              +7
2c1c - w2                              +9
2c2c - w2                              +11
1c1b - L1,w2                          +12
3a2b - L1,L1,L1,w4                 +13
1c2b - L1,L1,w2                     +13
1c1b - w2                              +15
3c2b - L1, w2                         +16
2b3a - L1,L1,L1,L2                 +11
2b2b - w2                              +13
2c2a - w2                              +15
1a3b - L1,L1,L1,L2                 +10   
1c1a - w2                              +12
3a1b - L1,L1,w2                      +12
1c2b - L1,L1,L1,w4                 +13
3a1a - L1,L1,L1,L2                 +8
1c2a - L1,L1,L1,w4                 +9
1a3a - w2                               +11
1a1b - w2                               +13
3a1a - L1,w2                           +14
2b1a - L1,L1,w2                      +14
1c1b - L1,L1,w2                      +14
1c1a - w2                               +16
1c1b - w2                               +18
2b3b - L1,L1,L1,w4                  +19
1a3b - L1,L1,w2                      +19
3a2c - L1,w2                           +20
stop
+20

A.

Hi Atlantis great to hear from you again. I don't know about betting everyone I've seen 14 consecutive spins without a match. This is a longhaul method. You might turn a profit over a week rather than daily. Just wading over some past results since Wolfat lit the fuse. I can count 8 step one games in a row including ZERO where there wasn't a match. But what's interesting is over a LARGER SAMPLE. There is a always positive numbers. And if using a slight progression as youre in your bet till a win application. Something very powerful is cooking here at a relatively low risk to the user. I like, I like very much. Here for example is the first five games I played today.

2A1A
3A1A
1A2A
2C1C----WIN STEP 2---But a win STEP 1 with Wolfats reverse idea

3A1A
1A2A
2C1C
2B3A----WIN STEP 1---A loss for Wolfats reverse idea.

1B1C
2A1C
2C1C
2A2Z----WIN STEP 1---A loss for Wolfats reverse idea

2A1C
2C1C
2A2Z
2B3A----A WIN STEP 2---A WIN STEP 1 for Wolfats reverse idea

3C2C
2A2B
3B1B
3A2B----A WIN STEP 2---A WIN STEP 1 for Wolfats reverse idea.

I don't know if Wolfats the first person to really notice this. But this may be one of the greatest observations in betting history. Something to seriously investigate over the future.

[atlantis]

Hi JL,

Here I am taking my same results and playing as you play code 4 (4th line against first) but same betting/rules as I did last time - playing for MATCH:

1a3a
1c1a
2c1b
1c2a - w2                     +2

3c1a
3c1c
3b2b
1c3b - L1,w2                 +3

2b1c
2c2b
2c1c
2c2c - w2                      +5
               
1c1b
3a2b
1c2b
1c1b - w2                      +7
         
3c2b
2b3a
2b2b
2c2a - L1, w2                  +8

1a3b     
1c1a
3a1b
1c2b - w2                       +10

3a1a
1c2a
1a3a
1a1b - L1,w2                  +11

3a1a
2b1a
1c1b
1c1a - L1,L1,w2             +11

1c1b
2b3b
1a3b
3a2c  -L1,L1,L1,L2         +6   

stop
+6

A.

[Johnlegend]

No he is not.
Reversed bet on double dozens is one part of Richard XXXV-s professional play with matrix bets.

You can read about that in his thread. You can apply that on any double dozen/column method.
Such as divide and conquer for example also.

Best

Drazen

Okay I know people have thought about that before. I have myself. The Zone was all about a single dozen or column. What I mean is applying it to the CODE 4 framework. Already it looks like a roulette killer even flat betting. And at little risk so no one can complain about risky progressions.

[Johnlegend]

Hi JL,

Here I am taking my same results and playing as you play code 4 (4th line against first) but same betting/rules as I did last time:

1a3a
1c1a
2c1b
1c2a - w2                     +2

3c1a
3c1c
3b2b
1c3b - L1,w2                 +3

2b1c
2c2b
2c1c
2c2c - w2                      +5
               
1c1b
3a2b
1c2b
1c1b - w2                      +7
         
3c2b
2b3a
2b2b
2c2a - L1, w2                  +8

1a3b     
1c1a
3a1b
1c2b - w2                       +10

3a1a
1c2a
1a3a
1a1b - L1,w2                  +11

3a1a
2b1a
1c1b
1c1a - L1,L1,w2             +11

1c1b
2b3b
1a3b
3a2c  -L1,L1,L1,L2         +6   

stop
+6

A.

I'm liking this Atlantis its got appeal for everyone if it really holds up. Its a thing of beauty. In your example I think anytime you hit double figures in profit its the signal to stop that session. Nice work.

[subby]

Hello Subby you are making a classic mistake. Moving up too fast. Youve had a phenomenal run of success but its your bankroll that should dictate your growth in risk not your confidence. That said yours was a mistake of judgement rather than random biting you.
KEEP IT SIMPLE. The best tracker on earth remains your eyes and pen and paper. that's what I use. I am not into trackers and rackers. Just plain eyes on the ball. You say you play hit and run. What is your personal employment of this. 1,2,4,10 games per session??

-I play paddy power live so first table would be sling shot, then roulette, then if it's playing, London roulette then high roller table then back to sling shot table and stop. You're looking at 5 games then stopping...or I was playing that at the start before I got a bit arrogant. 



In my case it remains TWO games per session with the third and fourth games simply recorded to strengthen my belief that hit and run played in short bursts is a superior application to straight long drawn out sessions. AND IT IS. To illustrate this. Had I even played just 4 game sessions since I started using AMKs gem. Instead of 15 losing games to date. I would have 34. That proves to me beyond a shadow of a doubt two by two is the superior choice.


To give you an indication of where you should have been before you moved up to 2 units per game. Your total bankroll should be AT LEAST 10 times the size of your total risk for any given game. Ideally 20 times bigger.Also I don't cover zero and you shouldnt stretch to a 5th bet. Its going beyond the parameters of the game and the reality of where you are. I have made over 6,000 units with CODE 4 and I wouldnt play a fifth step.

I know the temptation is always there especially when you get off to a flying start like you did. your confidence is sky high and you start to feel invincible. Complacency and the feeling that you can risk larger sums NOW creeps in. I've been there made every classic mistake a gambler can make and lost thousands in the process. They were all lessons hard learnt.

-This was one very expensive humble pie considering I'd taken time to play it properly and then I got lazy counting back 12 numbers and betting instead of waiting for the 12 to be spun. I also went and started playing poker while I was waiting at £5 a hand so my BR wasn't really growing much so I thought if I whacked it up to £2 units from £1 units value....I'd make money and still be able to play poker too....now I know that was a BIG mistake. It took my eye off what I was supposed to be doing relentlessly and I messed it up. Duly noted for next time.


Finding the discipline to play this game properly is one thing. maintaining it is quite something else again. Well that's my tuppence on the matter. I hope you will recover when you're-commence and push forward sensibly.

-You speak sense again and perhaps I needed to read that last paragraph a week ago. I'll come back to it again when I'm back to where I was at with a nice BR and money withdrawn to spend in real life.

[Johnlegend]

You are welcome although theres been a sensational twist on CODE 4 tonight if youve read the recent posts. You could come back to it without having to risk 80 units a game.

[subby]

I'd like to hear about it when someone has put some real amounts of spins through it to see if it works. In theory it's a reverse code 4, which code 4 is immense, but I still can't get my head around it.

[subby]

Let me get this...so instead of doing 1-1, 3-3, 9-9 type bets we bet that the line above will match, we are only doing one single unit bet ON it to match?

[subby]

Would it not take an age to play that amount of spins though? That's a LOT of spins there...45 seconds a spin, It'll soon add up to serious hours.

Code 4 is quicker yes so could we somehow reduce time needed for this new twist of the code 4 in terms of spins?


link:://rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=5848.msg79438#msg79438
The numbers of spins in that are huge 108 spins @ 45 secs a spin is 81 mins...over an hour and 20 mins.

[Johnlegend]

Would it not take an age to play that amount of spins though? That's a LOT of spins there...45 seconds a spin, It'll soon add up to serious hours.

Code 4 is quicker yes so could we somehow reduce time needed for this new twist of the code 4 in terms of spins?


link:://rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=5848.msg79438#msg79438
The numbers of spins in that are huge 108 spins @ 45 secs a spin is 81 mins...over an hour and 20 mins.

Subby there is no real difference in time. Only the attack a game can be over in the same number of spins as the normal CODE 4. Atlantis was just giving his twist on things. Playing several lines until a satisfactory level of profit was attained. The major advantage here if this is as good as it looks over time is the risk to reward factor. We have to appologize to AMK for littering his original and great CODE 4 with this new twist. I think we must/should start a fresh thread.

[vundarosa]

Okay I know people have thought about that before. I have myself. The Zone was all about a single dozen or column. What I mean is applying it to the CODE 4 framework. Already it looks like a roulette killer even flat betting. And at little risk so no one can complain about risky progressions.

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Hi JL.
I remember the zone.... Actually i revisited it some time ago and tried applying the concept to C4 just as A & Wolf suggested, in a search for a true 2:1 bet. I've tested for over 10K consecutive spins and it looked interesting. I can't remember why i gave up on the testing but one thing that stood up to me at that time was that playing the 4wide matrix only on doz gave better results than C4 style. This was betting as Atlantis first pointed out, for a single match to the line directly above it.
I will wander through the results if there's something worth to highlight

vundarosa