Now for something that really works!

[carpanta]

For anyone that has my charting program here is the string of spins:
12,18,4,18,24,26,1,00,11,32,14,8,2,11,20,19,4,29,21,0,13,7,12,18,6,00,27,12,35,17,5,8,25,9,16,31,18,3,9,8,8,26,32,14,27,30,0,25,16,25,21,24,19,0,2,32,11,29,5,24,22,4,24,12,29,35,8,6,24,23,11,25,27,33,20,19,30,13,31,36,14,17,18,24,21,12,18,25,22,8,22,22,24,10,23,14,17,00,16,1,

Here is the same spins for those that don't.  This 100 spins never loses a 5 steps progression for betting on a single column bet. It uses Follow the Last. It wins every sequence before hitting 6 singles in a row. If you look at it from a randomness point of view you want to see if you can see an absence of singles.


| 1 2 3 |  Spin #                Series   /    Chops
|     X | -- 1
|     X | -- 2                     X
| X     | -- 3                                X
|     X | -- 4                                X
|     X | -- 5                     X
|   X   | -- 6                                X
| X     | -- 7                                X
--------- -- 8
|   X   | -- 9                                X
|   X   | -- 10                   X
|   X   | -- 11                   X
|   X   | -- 12                   X
|   X   | -- 13                   X
|   X   | -- 14                   X
|   X   | -- 15                   X
| X     | -- 16                               X
| X     | -- 17                   X
|   X   | -- 18                               X
|     X | -- 19                               X
--------- -- 20
| X     | -- 21                               X
| X     | -- 22                   X
|     X | -- 23                               X
|     X | -- 24                   X
|     X | -- 25                   X
--------- -- 26
|     X | -- 27                   X
|     X | -- 28                   X
|   X   | -- 29                                X
|   X   | -- 30                   X
|   X   | -- 31                   X
|   X   | -- 32                   X
| X     | -- 33                                X
|     X | -- 34                                X
| X     | -- 35                                X
| X     | -- 36                   X
|     X | -- 37                                X
|     X | -- 38                   X
|     X | -- 39                   X
|   X   | -- 40                                X
|   X   | -- 41                   AND SO ON

For betting purposes it could help tracking series and chops (intermitences).
Just an idea. I not only use that matrix for dozens but for ECs as well.

Cheers,
Carlos

[Gizmotron]

carpanta, very interesting. But I can see series and chops with almost immediate visual dexterity in my charts. If all I had was a chart of series & chops then I would have to think about each line to see trends.

BUT, you are the first person to make it a chart of X's. I can see the changes easy that way too. I guess I'm used to my charts. But you have done the work for the  people that are not trained to see the way that I do. This is good. Nice work. You get it.

[carpanta]

You made the point. I was thinking of people with not much dexterity to track outcomes and do a right reading out of them.
Maybe, this way they can more easily see the gap among series and chops to produce the best bet selection for short term decisions.
When a better level of dexterity is achieved it could be discarded in order to make tracking not too complex because of  too many charts.

By the way, you and me are doing the same to read randomness.
Difference is I play inside bets by merging chances to produce the exact numbers to be bet on.
Outcomes rhythm in each chance let you decide which ones are best to produce such bet selection.
Soon I'll give it a try in another topic

Cheers,
Carlos.

[Gizmotron]

I've been all over the choices, both inside and outside. I've come to the conclusion that the simple bets are about the same. For years I would track almost everything. I had at least 10 sets of dozen bets. I memorized the wheel and made special groupings that all acted like the dozens and columns. It all comes down to simple to see charts.

[albertojonas]

Hi Gizmotron.

If series are Hot why not bet for them to happen after chop?

This is one of my favorites.
Flat Bet for a repeating dozen after the chop of a series in the hope another series is forming.

in your example:
LLWLWWLWWWWWLLWWWWLLLWWLLW

seems a good read for me.

Other option could be simply to play against the choped serie (i do not really like 2 dozen bets) and this kind of bet works best for EC's


What is your opinion on this?
Cheers,
Al

[Gizmotron]

What is your opinion on this?

You can't know what of three states that it will change to. It could go to a stretch of swarmed repeats, chaos, or a stretch of singles. You need to see if you have a condition of global trending. If the conditions change quickly then you don't. But if the types of trends have a tendency to sustain stretches that remain then you do. In a way you need to become aware of the type of change too. It's not enough to see it change to one of the three states. You must notice the trend line for duration and quality too.

[albertojonas]

You can't know what of three states that it will change to. It could go to a stretch of swarmed repeats, chaos, or a stretch of singles. You need to see if you have a condition of global trending. If the conditions change quickly then you don't. But if the types of trends have a tendency to sustain stretches that remain then you do. In a way you need to become aware of the type of change too. It's not enough to see it change to one of the three states. You must notice the trend line for duration and quality too.

Then what is your advice for indication and tendency?

[Gizmotron]

Then what is your advice for indication and tendency?

These are things that are seen while charting a table. If you have my practice software you can spin out a thousand spins and then look at them. The fastest way is to learn how to format spins in a list: (22,3,36,0,12,18,23,) Notice that spaces are not allowed. Just separate each spin with a comma. Press clear, select American or European, press paste. If your list of spins are not all the way to the top then use the backspace to get it all the way to the top and to the left. Now press load spins. The program will chart all 1000 spins in a few seconds.

You need to see charts in order to learn the characteristics of tendencies. You are only looking for three things.

[albertojonas]

i will try to run your software (thanx) in my mac os.
May you elaborate on the characteristics of what we are looking for?

looking for three things...

Cheers,
Al

[albertojonas]

i made it. i can manage to run it now.

Random.org gives spins separated by commas. It is a must.
Thx Gizmotron.

AL

[albertojonas]

You can't know what of three states that it will change to. It could go to a stretch of swarmed repeats, chaos, or a stretch of singles. You need to see if you have a condition of global trending. If the conditions change quickly then you don't. But if the types of trends have a tendency to sustain stretches that remain then you do. In a way you need to become aware of the type of change too. It's not enough to see it change to one of the three states. You must notice the trend line for duration and quality too.

How exactly you did observe the trend was "sustaining stretches" prior to deciding on a 5 or 6 step progression with a follow the last selection?
How one can "Read Randomness" in order to clearly identify a "condition of global trending"?
Are there any Benchmarks. Is it a mix of relative intuition?
Don't get me wrong, I am a musician and I experience everyday the impact of our human choices in terms of aesthetics. I know they make all the difference.
Any specific recomendations on how to "notice the trend line for duration and qualty" ?

I understand that you may choose not to share this in open forum, and if so I respect that. Hope not.

I would like to thank Gizmotron and Carpanta for keeping this thread and this discussion alive.



the beauty of distributions is that we may pick any window and observe a certain Ecart.
Its obvious that in European Roulette we have 37 possible outcomes so in order to have a more liable window one must observe a minimum and a maximum of events that correlate directly with the stage of ecart we intend to capture.
??

appart from that, after any imbalance is verified, one could expect:

1) that imbalance stops and starts hovering without a drawdown
(and can also grow even stronger which is rare because after hovering the STD decreases...)

2) that imbalance suffers a rapid drawdown towards correction.

3) the imbalance continues to grow stronger and stronger...
(it may to a certain point.    Considering our starting point a 3.5 STD it can only grow until 6.0...)


there is also a mathematical thread bayes did on Standard Deviation and Z-score.
Not that I advocate an exclusive mathematical approach but it sure provides us with instruments to measure things that largely escape our common sense approach.
As for now this constitutes the only tools i know about.

Cheers,
AL





Cheers.

[carpanta]

Albertojonas, a good instrument to measure how your bet selection is doing has to do with your bankroll.

If you see it increasing you are doing very well.
On the other hand, when it tends to decrease you must stop and see what's happening for that bad results.

It is as easy as that. To bet on singles you have, as Gizmotron stated, a 5 steps progression (1, 2, 3, 4, and 5) if LD (last decision) is falling inside that progression you win some chips or have a draw (last step).
When you have a loss (15 units) then on spin 7 you start trying to recover with 7&7 expecting LD wont repeat or repeats less than half of double bets.
If doubles trend is not strong enough, L and W alternates or they leave you with draw results, you stop and wait for better situation.
So we are left with a trial and error strategy. Always speculating and struggling with randomness.
In Gizmotron's former example he showed how playing singles all the time let him go through a 100 spin session without having to use 7&7 to recover losses.
All the time the progression achieved a hit.

Cheers,
Carlos.

[Gizmotron]

Don't get me wrong, I am a musician and I experience everyday the impact of our human choices in terms of aesthetics. I know they make all the difference.
Any specific recomendations on how to "notice the trend line for duration and qualty" ?

Do you know this one? "How do you get to Carnegie Hall?" answer: "Practice, practice, practice."

[albertojonas]

In that case we are playing the progression. Is it only a matter of choosing a bet on what is apparently trending?

I have recently posted some misunderstood threads under Full systems.
They go by the name of pseudo systems and they intend to pin point the utter importance of observing the distribution regarding our bet selection. More,
independently of the bet selection it is of extreme importance to observe its LW registry, as it has its own behavior related to the bet type we are practicing at the moment.

Anyhow, I believe that are Bet types (or selections or designs) that produce more stable results than others.
And this are the ones that have their fundaments based upon observation of the randomness of events. We got to the same conclusion here, I assume.


What I was asking for is for objective and functional guidelines regarding this concern.
Just trying to avoid vague advice and observation. We all know if we want fame "we have to pay it in sweat!".


Cheers,
AL

[albertojonas]

I made it. I can manage to run it now.

Random.org gives spins separated by commas. It is a must.
thanks Gizmotron.

AL

where did I get this.? no it does not. Any Advice?