I think Albalaha should stay

[Steve]

COMMENTS:

* I am not talking about your "holy grail". I only want to know about ONE method you claim beats RNG. Like one of those you sell. I only need one.

* You say your methods are logical. I'm trying to understand the logic because from what I see they are the opposite.

* The contracts would be enforceable so you claiming they are not enforceable is not a reason to claim $100k. Making it legally binding is the idea of working with the solicitors.

* Yes any system can be reverse engineered around a set of spins. Whether the initial testing spins are set or not doesnt matter because I woudnt even know the system until after I sent you the testing spins. And there is not a problem with getting 1m spins from a completely neutral source.

* Zumma spins is something from Don Young to test his system. His system doesnt work beyond those spins. Systems that win on predetermined spins are proof of nothing.


QUESTIONS:

* It makes no sense for you to test with real money. Anyone with something that beats rng would have the sense to test on rng machines without risking a cent. WHY ARE YOU NOT TESTING WITH RNG MACHINES WITHOUT MONEY? ( I mean like $100 rng hardware similar to what a casino would use)

* If you cant afford even $10k for a guaranteed shot at $100k with your "holy grail" that never fails, why should anyone believe you?

* Based on your response, your "finest method" needs progression. Correct me if I'm wrong.

* Regarding your "finest method", you appear to have said you will still profit as long as there is less than 4 qualified numbers. Is this correct?

The text in bold is most relevant.

[albalaha]

First of all,
           I do not claim that every method of mine beats every session. It is just not possible.
regarding finest method:

1. It does require progression if it crosses a particular stage. How many times, should I speak it?

2. It can be played with minimum 1 and maximum 4 numbers. At some stage, past hot numbers (upto 4), which has not crossed 37 spins since it last appeared may also be played with base bet of 1 unit, or with half of the main bet progression because these numbers show the tendency to reappear after eloping from marquee.


                            Steve, how many $10Ks you have earned so far this way? If I can risk $10k of mine, I would increase it to $100k myself. I believe in playing feasible way and not blindly.
              If you want to see the real holy grail, come out with a feasible offer. If I will play 1 million recorded spins of a live casino, in overall, I will be a winner for sure.

[albalaha]

Whether u will include past hot numbers with base bet/half bet or not should be your predetermined choice for every session.

[Steve]

Maybe there is a communication problem.

COMMENTS:

* I never said you said your method can beat every seession.

* Nobody has gotten to the stage where they deposit $10k. They have all failed once I send them 100,000 of my own spins.

* If you can select an online casino and account before starting, and I see you wager on 1m+ spins and win, then I would believe you. But no online casino would tolerate it long enough to see it, so the process would need to be repeated over multiple accounts, each with me having prior knowledge of account name and casino before commencement.

Ok so you have said your system needs progression. My next question didnt seem to be answered:

QUESTIONS:

* Does your method increase the accuracy of predictions? I'm referring only to the "finest method".

* Are you claiming that the "finest method" wins and even beats rng in the long term?

[albalaha]

Dear Steve,
       Prediction is a wrong word here. I believe no one can predict the next outcome. Only a clairvoyant can claim it. I believe in specualtion and risk taking in a sensible manner to earn. My method speculates and wins, that I can say.

                                     Say, I have 1 million units and 1 million spins to play from any real recorded spins from any casino in the world, I will come out with 2 millions units at least. If you can put real 1 million spins data and my method and can process that automatically with some software, you can test it without bothering much.

[Steve]

The questions werent clearly answered, but from what I gather:

* Your methods do NOT increase accuracy of predictions
* Your method DOES AND MUST use progression

Is this correct?

You said:

Say, I have 1 million units and 1 million spins to play from any real recorded spins from any casino in the world, I will come out with 2 millions units at least. If you can put real 1 million spins data and my method and can process that automatically with some software, you can test it without bothering much.

Is this regarding your "finest method"?

Again I'm only looking for ONE of your methods that you claim will beat roulette in the long term. I'm not interested in your "very best" system that you refuse to sell.

[albalaha]

Hey Steve,
        My methods are based upon reverse engineering concepts and hence has to win in long run.
My methods do not bother about:
1. Playing without any progression: whether we see logically or statistically, it is not possible to strike everytime within break-even period, unless you are extremely lucky, irrespective of your bet selection.
2. Prediction: As I said, I speculate and speculate with a logic. My logic behind the finest method is repetition of some numbers more than average which replaces certain sleeper numbers at that moment. The most interesting thing is we never put a single chip upon any sleeper number. This situation is bound to come in each and every session, sooner or later and my method of playing for this target capitalises this very well. "Pause" and "resume" take care of worst cases and  eliminates too risky progressions.  One hit eliminates all losses so far + a gain of atleast 12 to 24 units per hit.No Hidden math involved.

                    I can take your holy grail challenge with this method alone. With one million units and one million spins, it will come out with a very nice profit for sure. Test it, if you can and you will know as to why I call it as the finest.                           I know Steve, that you will provide many excuses to demean me and to disprove me but you know, you can't.     If you intent to let me leave this forum, be straight-forward to say so.
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[Steve]

Al, you've made clear you only use progression. You've also explained the logic behind your
"finest system".

QUESTIONS:

* If you run a large simulation to see if a particular number has an increased chance of spinning again within 18 spins if it already appeared twice within 18 spins, and if this simulation showed no increase in the odds..... would you agree that the bet selection for your system alone does not at all increase the accuracy of predictions? Yes or No.

* If you are not increasing the accuracy of predictions, then all spins have independent odds (for example 1 in 37). So effectively, all spins would be independent. Then how would progression not be anything more than mere independent bets with different amounts wagered?

Saying your system passed a 1m spin test doesnt make it true. You say the system would pass my challenge, and that you have the holy grail, but you also say you cant afford $10,000.

I know Steve, that you will provide many excuses to demean me and to disprove me but you know, you can't.     If you intent to let me leave this forum, be straight-forward to say

Al, I'm just asking questions. Truth is truth. We're establishing truth. I'm not trying to demean you. You are making various claims, and I'm investigating. Why? It is nothing at all personal. It is because you are part of the forum with your own board, and selling systems. As new admin I need to make sure nobody is using the forum to mislead (intentionally or not) or harm people. So I am being fair by asking various questions to ascertain the truth - simple as that.

[albalaha]

Dear Steve,
              " What may be right by probability, may get proved wrong by randomness". Roulette is a game of both probability and randomness. No one can ever predict with even slightest accuracy as to what is going to happen next spin or even in next 10 spins. The finest method of mine doesn't look for any particular number to hit but it bets for a particular event to come, which is bound to come, sooner than later. In this method, I have worked upon an event or phenomenon which rejoices a casino and frustrates most of the players.
                               Leave the probability or theoratical parts of this game which says this game is invincible. With my finest method, wherever you hit a number, you cover all the losses so far in your session. If you quit that moment, you are a winner. As simple as that.
                If you do not rely upon my claims, there are more than 50 live sessions of 185 spins each has been posted by me and some other members in link:://rouletteforum.cc/actuals-spins/daily-live-spin-data-screenshots-of-185-spins-from-smart-live-casino/105/
you can compare my method at any of them, you will see it's 100% success yourself.

                        I openly claim that with this method and 1 million units, I can beat 1 million spins of any historical data taken from any real casino of the world. If you have got courage to accept my challenge, say so. If I proved wrong, nobody will see me writing anything regarding roulette ever in my life. Never say, roulette is unbeatable with even unlimited bankroll. I can beat it black and blue with 1 million units with this open system of mine and anybody can test it oneself.
                   

[Steve]

"What may be right by probability, may get proved wrong by randomness"

What do you mean? How are they not the same?

50 live sessions of 185 spins

That is far from 1m spins.

I can beat it black and blue with 1 million units with this open system of mine and anybody can test it oneself

Do you mean 1m spins or 1m units?

You claim your free system is the holy grail for roulette. You are saying it will win over 1m spins, and that is free for anyone to test. Ok thats great, so I'm going to test it - specifically the working principle of it. But first I need to understand it.

YOU STILL DIDNT ANSWER THE QUESTIONS THOUGH. PLEASE ANSWER THEM SO WE CAN PROCEED.

[Steve]

Al, regardless of what I believe, the polls are in your favour so you can stay. But I'd still like the answers.

[albalaha]

I can't understand what you did not get about my system. I can help you understand it through skype, if you wish so. my skype is sumiteshwar.

                I am very firm with my challenge on this very method. I clearly claim without any ambiguity that this method of mine will clear 1 million past spins data of any real casino (no fabricated ones please). If I play this technique with 1 million units, even in the worst cases, it should yield not less than 2 hundred thousands units in net profit. Will you offer me any share of your challenged sum, if this method of mine do that?

[ADulay]

The finest method of mine doesn't look for any particular number to hit but it bets for a particular event to come, which is bound to come, sooner than later.

Why?

AD

[albalaha]

Dear AD,
             See various sessions. Mostly, you get a hit with this method within a cycle of 37 spins. One hit and you have won.