Possible Dozens Progression

[GLC]

I have been asked if I could come up with an 18 step progression for betting the dozens that would that would win with 2 wins out of 3 bets.


I don't know if the following exactly meets that criteria, but it is an attempt on my part.  Maybe some of you can pitch in to help.


Progression line is:  1-1-2-3-4-5-6-9-12-17-25-34 with these 12 bet levels you either win 1 time and are at a new high, or if you're not at a new high you drop back 4 steps and bet that number and if you get those 2 wins you will be at a new high. 


The nice thing about this way of winning 2 in a row is if you win and aren't at a new high and then lose the 2nd bet, you are at least 4 levels back from where you would have been.


The progression continues: 37-44-54-73-95-123.  Okay that's 18 bets.  These last 6 levels require 3 wins in a row to reach a new high.  After each win we drop back only 3 bets.  As above, 1 or 2 wins followed by a loss will not totally recover, but you will be a lot farther back down the line and with a good bet selection we won't get to these later numbers too often. 


This progression represents over 500 units if you lose all 18 levels without a win of any kind.  Highly unlikely.


This progression is much less aggressive than the straight martingale for a single dozen which starts out the same way for the first 5 levels but then doesn't escalate as rapidly as a regular martingale.


Play around with it.  You can tweak it a million different ways to either slow the unit sizes down or get more aggressive which will cause the unit sizes to  grow more quickly.


Cheers,


George

[Wally Gator]

George,


Thanks much for all your efforts.  This is exactly what I was looking for in playing D + C as described by XXVV in the Whitacker progression posts.  He provided a 20 step prog I think for about 300+ units, so the 500+ fits right in for me.


Clearly, you are the king of progression development.


Best, Wally

[catalyst]

hi Wally and George

whitacker progression and George's 18 step progression, both are very good progression but require very good bet selection for dozen and column.unlike even chances, bet selection is very difficult for dozen and column. could you please provide some insights as your discussions are always valuable to everybody in this forum.

thanks
catalyst

[Wally Gator]

Catalyst,

Thanks for your note.  I suppose I should preface any comments I make about success with the fact that I completely agree with all those professional players out there who know the importance of having a very healthy bankroll to play with for any real chance of success.  Also, it is important to note the significance of playing multiple strategies, or knowing when to play certain strategies when the timing is right.

So, for me, I usually play Winkel's strategy on either lines or streets, just depends on what I feel like that day.  But, as we all know, while it's boring, if you have the bankroll it wins.  Or, at least, I should say I've not lost with it yet.  So, I also play a few others while I'm in one of these sessions.

One that I particularly enjoy is playing a dozen and a column at the same time.  I record six spins of columns and dozens (i.e. if a 6 comes up I would write 1 and C in 2 separate lines).  I do that for six spins, so if the following sequence of 6 numbers comes up:

6
17
35
4
1
26

I would write it like this:

6 = dozen 1; column C

1
C

17 = dozen 2; column B

1B
C2

35 = dozen 3; column B

1B3
C2B

4 = dozen 1; column A

1B3A
C2B1

1 = dozen 1; column A

1B3A1
C2B1A

26 = dozen 3; column B

1B3A1B
C2B1A3

I simply play for a repeat on either of the lines I wrote above for 6 spins.  If it hits within the 6 spins, let's say on spin 2, then I wait for 4 spins until the start of the next 6 spins.  I also play them simultaneously and if one hits and one doesn't then I don't begin the progression until they both lose (but, only if they both have yet to hit).  For example, using the above listed lines, if 1 hits and C misses, then I'm done with the top line and begin with a 1 for a progression on the 2 in the second line.  If that wins, I'm done.  If not, I only go for 5 more spins and restart a progression.

I'm not explaining this well, but it works exceptionally well and is a great way to make a few extra bucks, sometimes alot of extra bucks, while other strategies are working their magic.

So, something to keep in mind is that I'm NOT just playing a single strategy.  I VERY rarely do that.  For instance, last weekend I was using the above strategy with Mr. J's 'play for the third number on a street to hit after 2 have already shown up, because it was working exceptionally well.  If I found that Mr, J's strategy was not coming through for me, I'd accept the loss and switch to playing, say the 0/00 (I'm in the US) using Winkel's progression but for splits.

There are so many ideas out there and, quite literally, I am ONLY using strategies that I've learned right here on this forum.  I am ALWAYS playing for REAL money at a REAL casino on a REAL wheel.  I am here to tell you, if you are cautious and paying attention on any table, you can walk away with more chips in your hand than you sat down with.  A lot of people blow these strategies off because they may not hold up for millions and millions of spins.  For me, I'll be dead by the time I hit a million spins.  In the meantime, I'm using this as a means of paying for my kids college educations.

I cannot say thank you enough to so many members here on this forum.  Truly, there are some exceptional people with incredible minds.  And, most are just down right good guys.

So, that's my take .... hope it helps someone else.

Wally

[GLC]

Excellent post Wally.


Keep winning!


GLC

[catalyst]

I simply play for a repeat on either of the lines I wrote above for 6 spins.  If it hits within the 6 spins, let's say on spin 2, then I wait for 4 spins until the start of the next 6 spins.  I also play them simultaneously and if one hits and one doesn't then I don't begin the progression until they both lose (but, only if they both have yet to hit).  For example, using the above listed lines, if 1 hits and C misses, then I'm done with the top line and begin with a 1 for a progression on the 2 in the second line.  If that wins, I'm done.  If not, I only go for 5 more spins and restart a progression.

Hi Wally
thanks for very helpful post for column/dozens. being a slow learner, i need a bit more explanation.

* you play 6 spins with the progression of George or Whitacker. but if you fail to hit within six spins then you take another six spins and restart the progression from the 7th step of the progression -----correct?

*If it hits within the 6 spins, let's say on spin 2 on top line, then you dont play next 4 spins (until the start of the next 6 spins). then you collect another six spins to make your sequence of two lines (top and bottom blending dozens and columns). also at the same time if your bottom line does not hit by the spin #2, then you adjust your progression according to your win on top line. if not win by the six spins, then you abandon the sequence and start creating another sequence and play from the 7th step of the progression------correct?

* "I don't begin the progression until they both lose (but, only if they both have yet to hit). "-- could you please explain a bit?

your comments are appreciated.

thanks
catalyst

[Wally Gator]

Hi Catalyst,

Sorry for the delay in getting back to you.  Spent a very long, but very prosperous day at the casino yesterday.  I played just this strategy and Winkel's 'win as much as you want' on the 2nd line.  Very nice, I must say.  Ended with +570 units.

Here are answers to your questions:

* you play 6 spins with the progression of George or Whitacker. but if you fail to hit within six spins then you take another six spins and restart the progression from the 7th step of the progression -----correct?

Yesterday I played George's progression (above on this post).  It worked flawlessly.  Never went beyond 10 spins without a hit.  By the way, it's uncommon to go past the first 6 without a hit, and I've yet to have 2 lines go without a hit.  Now, that doesn't mean it won't happen, which is why I asked George for an 18 play progression.  But the answer to your question is "no", I don't restart the progression.  Once I have decided to play the sequence then I keep with it until it hits or until 18 consecutive losses (which has yet to happen).  I would accept the loss at that point and would reduce one of my bankrolls.

*If it hits within the 6 spins, let's say on spin 2 on top line, then you don't play next 4 spins (until the start of the next 6 spins). then you collect another six spins to make your sequence of two lines (top and bottom blending dozens and columns). also at the same time if your bottom line does not hit by the spin #2, then you adjust your progression according to your win on top line. if not win by the six spins, then you abandon the sequence and start creating another sequence and play from the 7th step of the progression------correct?

No, I continue on with the sequence in the next line.  I only stop on a hit, refigure the next bet and then start at the beginning of the next line of 6.  So, let's say I hit on spin 10.  Using GLC's progression I would have won in the progression betting 17 units.  That puts me back for the next bet to 5 units (4 back on a win).  So, I've lost the first 6 on the first line.  I continue on the next 6 and hit after 4 spins on the 2nd line.  I stop playing that line.  So, the last 2 spins of the sequence of 6 is not played.  I then begin playing 5 units on the 1st bet of the 3rd set of 6.  Makes sense?  Anytime I hit, whether in the first 6 spins or not, I stop and wait for the next set of 6 to begin.

* "I don't begin the progression until they both lose (but, only if they both have yet to hit). "-- could you please explain a bit?

You probably get it by now, but what that means is that if I hit on the first spin in either of the sets of 6 then I'm in plus, so I don't move to the second progression of 1 on the unhit set, I begin on the first step in the progression.  So, let's say that I'm playing dozen 1 and column A and dozen 1 and column B hit.  I've won on dozen 1 and lost on column A.  So I'm no longer playing the set of 6 that won and I'll begin the progression over again on the set of 6 that lost.  Now, I'm still in the same set of 6 for the set that lost, I'm just on the 2nd bet in the set and starting at 1 in the progression.  The first 1, not the 2nd 1 (i.e. 1,1,2,3,4).

Hope it helps.  Please remember, I always play with an adequate bankroll that supports 2 or more separate strategies that I'm playing simultaneously.

George, thanks so much for the progression!!!

Wally

[catalyst]

Spent a very long, but very prosperous day at the casino yesterday.  I played just this strategy and Winkel's 'win as much as you want' on the 2nd line.  Very nice, I must say.  Ended with +570 units.

hi WALLY,

above statement sound very musical to me.
thanks for your helpful explanation. i am trying to dissect it piece by piece and will probably request you for little bit more help. thanks again.

catalyst

[monaco]

i played this progression yesterday & today with Kattila's single dozen bet selection he posted on Winkels 'Win as much as you want' (reply #188)

Another v. good bet selection for dozens( in my opinion)
Let s say hit number 34(doz.3) now bet this one for the next 4 spins,
if win stay on the winer until  found 4Ls, now start to bet on the fourth
position dozen.

worked v nicely, never got above level 7, pretty quick turn-over too.

nice combination GLC & Kattila - thanks