***THE REVERSE SLIDE***

[marivo]

I will look at your example again and see if can make a difference.

Thank you! I attached excel file of my resultes.

[Blood Angel]

  no one is going to remove the house edge if they don't already know THEY WILL STILL WIN.

Live tables could remove the zero and MOST people would STILL lose ...its  the dispersions that kill peoples BR.

[amk]

Stunning posts.............

Just as a quick sidenote. Only wanted to report this because I have never seen it during all of my testing...........

Yes it was tested on random.org with no zero however, I feel it does highlight the strength of the method.........

Method is called OPPOSITE

3211 play it's opposite or in "reverse"...............   1123

Then spin 4 times to get the NEXT pattern...........

2113    bet   3112

625 games played,  1 loss........................

[bikemotorman]

Do you play 2 doz or col with the opposite method you are mentioning.




                                                                Stuart

[bikemotorman]

Stunning posts.............

Just as a quick sidenote. Only wanted to report this because I have never seen it during all of my testing...........

Yes it was tested on random.org with no zero however, I feel it does highlight the strength of the method.........

Method is called OPPOSITE

3211 play it's opposite or in "reverse"...............   1123

Then spin 4 times to get the NEXT pattern...........

2113    bet   3112

625 games played,  1 loss........................








I would like some more info on THE OPPOSITE METHOD DO WE PLAY ONE DOZ OR COL.




                                                                                STUART

[Johnlegend]

Stunning posts.............

Just as a quick sidenote. Only wanted to report this because I have never seen it during all of my testing...........

Yes it was tested on random.org with no zero however, I feel it does highlight the strength of the method.........

Method is called OPPOSITE

3211 play it's opposite or in "reverse"...............   1123

Then spin 4 times to get the NEXT pattern...........

2113    bet   3112

625 games played,  1 loss........................

AMK that looks brilliant. Okay I said when I saw a STEALTH, REVERSE SLIDE. I would report it. I saw one this morning. It was after my session ended. I have decided to record a minumum of 100 spins a session to see if I could find a STEALTH. And it happenned on the columns surprise,surprise. Column C to be exact no zero breaking the flow. This was more than 40 spins after my session was over. This proves A, it can happen on a reputable wheel. And B, Hit and RUN is the supreme application for ALL METHODS. If I have been lucky as most suggest. Then that's positive luck that puts me beyond negative figures. And that cannot be a bad thing.

Amk I need your help here, because you are constantly looking for ways to make good methods truly great ones. OPPOSITE looks amazing already. And I am looking full circle with the matrix concept. As I continue to never see a vertical column go beyond 7 in my recent play, and only once have I recorded a vertical 8 of a dozen. Columns I am not usre about yet although I haven't recoded more than a 6 for them since I began playing THE MATRIX SLIDE/REVERSE SLIDE METHODS. I am thinking of turning this into a method of its own. The original MATRIX VERTICAL method was very good. But it took a long time to get triggers making it impractical for land casinos. However. I don't have to play land casinos. And when you RARELY see something occur it makes sense to take advantage of it.
I will look at bringing VERTICAL 8 to the forum soon. The PYRAMID is still the phenom yet to be fully exploited.

[Bayes]

Live tables could remove the zero and MOST people would STILL lose ...its  the dispersions that kill peoples BR.

Good point, Blood Angel. BV know that they will still win overall in spite of no house edge. It's mathematically proven that the player (in this case, the casino) with the largest bankroll will win, even with perfectly fair odds. Standard roulette gets returns far above the theoretical house edge (the "Hold" percentage) which is due to other factors (dispersion being among them).

I see John has galloped off on his favourite "RNGs are all cheats" hobby horse, conveniently ignoring members who have lost playing his methods on real wheels. What bothers me is that all his systems basically boil down to betting randomly with suicidal progressions, and the newbies here can be sucked in by the hype. Don't be distracted by the rhetoric, keep in mind the FACTS that:

   
• "Hit & Run" is a logical fallacy.
• ALL patterns are equally likely.
• Once a pattern has PARTLY formed, it's just as likely that it will complete as not.
• Martingale type progressions are dangerous to your bankroll.

Even if you assume that people will be sensible and do some testing before starting to use real money, it's very likely that it won't be enough, especially as most of the systems require you to do quite a bit of tracking before placing actual bets. Ideally, a system should be tested over thousands of placed bets (not just spins) before you start playing for real.
Most newbies won't bother, and they'll find out with hard cash that the systems don't work. 

[Johnlegend]

Good point, Blood Angel. BV know that they will still win overall in spite of no house edge. It's mathematically proven that the player (in this case, the casino) with the largest bankroll will win, even with perfectly fair odds. Standard roulette gets returns far above the theoretical house edge (the "Hold" percentage) which is due to other factors (dispersion being among them).

I see John has galloped off on his favourite "RNGs are all cheats" hobby horse, conveniently ignoring members who have lost playing his methods on real wheels. What bothers me is that all his systems basically boil down to betting randomly with suicidal progressions, and the newbies here can be sucked in by the hype. Don't be distracted by the rhetoric, keep in mind the FACTS that:

   
• "Hit & Run" is a logical fallacy.
• ALL patterns are equally likely.
• Once a pattern has PARTLY formed, it's just as likely that it will complete as not.
• Martingale type progressions are dangerous to your bankroll.

Even if you assume that people will be sensible and do some testing before starting to use real money, it's very likely that it won't be enough, especially as most of the systems require you to do quite a bit of tracking before placing actual bets. Ideally, a system should be tested over thousands of placed bets (not just spins) before you start playing for real.
Most newbies won't bother, and they'll find out with hard cash that the systems don't work. 

The systems work Bayes, the only thing we find out is they aren't bullet proof. I have 2000 vertical quads recorded for example with only one of them going 8 deep. That doesn't work either right. In the time it took to lose 80 units you have won 1,920. You don't get it Bayes and you never will. Your thinking is based on pure math. And when you cannot divorce yourself from that thought process you cannot ever move forward.

[bikemotorman]

Hey John, Hermes used to post Columns are like a beautiful woman, SHE LOVES YOU AND TREATS YOU LIKE A KING THEN WHEN YOU ARE A SLEEPING HITS YOU IN THE HEAD WITH A NINE IRON LOL.


Be careful with columns boys they are dangerous.


                                                                          Stuart

[Johnlegend]

Hey John, Hermes used to post Columns are like a beautiful woman, SHE LOVES YOU AND TREATS YOU LIKE A KING THEN WHEN YOU ARE A SLEEPING HITS YOU IN THE HEAD WITH A NINE IRON LoL.


Be careful with columns boys they are dangerous.


                                                                          Stuart

Stuart it is of no surprise to me that Columns seem to produce more losses for THE REVERSE SLIDE. I avoided columns for a long time with my methods because I always saw more unstable performance from them. The experts on here will argue theres absolutely no difference between Columns and Dozens. Red, Black or High Low. The results tell another story. I have for example only recorded 1 vertical column of 8 of the same dozen in more than 2,300 recorded vertical quads. I am certain if you did a similar sample for columns. The results would be very different.

[bikemotorman]

Good post John, hey you did not call me here is my cell number 4342500159.


Columns are NUTS, KRAZY, LOCO, INSANE AND DANGEROUS, LOL.




                                                                                             StUaRt

[bikemotorman]

Hello AMK,

    Is your Reverse method for play one dozen or Playing two dozens at one time.
I must say I like it and I have been playing one doz mostly, the most losses I have seen in a row is 7, now I use a progression in five dollar stages.
5 10 15 20 25 and on, 2 BACK TO BACK WIN, I quit when I have two wins in a row.     LLLWLLLLLWLLLLLLLWW DONE


                              STUART

    GIVE ME A CALL 4342500159 IN THE STATES.

[Anthony]

This reverse slide method looks brilliant. Why are there so many people who are bashing it? I don't understand?

[donik7777]

Hello AMK! Nice rezults.
What kind of progression  did you play?
Thanks.

[amk]

Bayes:

""Good point, Blood Angel. BV know that they will still win overall in spite of no house edge. It's mathematically proven that the player (in this case, the casino) with the largest bankroll will win, even with perfectly fair odds."

I agree that this is the case.........

However, I do feel that there are windows which can help you to overcome these odds regardless of the longterm..............