Double shot at even chance trips

[GLC]

I may have run out of luck on my last system, but I haven't run out of ideas.


Here's one that I've been having a lot of fun tinkering with for a while.


It's based on the 8 possible formations of 3 spins on an even chance.  They are:


BBB
BBR
BRB
BRR
RRR
RRB
RBR
RBB


The first shot at a win is to bet that the last 3 decisions will repeat.  We'll bet 1 unit per bet.
If we lose the first bet, we will be at -1 and must go to the 2nd shot to try to get our lost unit back.
If we win the first bet, we keep betting for the pattern to repeat.  As long as we are betting on the same pattern and are winning we keep betting 1 unit.  On our first loss after winning at least 1 time, we start betting on the new last 3 spin pattern to repeat.


Now, back to what happens if we lose our 1st 1 unit bet.  If we find ourselves at -1 on an attack, we will start betting a 5 step martingale on the dominant even chance in the pattern.  If we win on 1 of the 5 steps, we will have recovered our lost unit and must start betting 1 unit for the last 3 spin pattern to repeat.


Example:


R
R
B  Next we bet 1 unit for Red which is the 1st of our 3 spin pattern.
R  Win +1.  Bet 1 on Red which is the 2nd of our 3 spin pattern.
R  Win +2.  Bet 1 on B which is the 3rd of our 3 spin pattern.
B  Win +3.  Bet 1 on R which is starting our pattern over again.
B  Lose +2.  Bet 1 on R which is the 1st of our pattern of RBB. (The +2 goes into profits)
B  Lose -1.  Since B is our dominant color in our 3 step pattern, we bet 1 on B.  This 1 is the 1st step in our 5 step limited martingale.
R  Lose -2.  Bet 2 on B our dominant color and the 2nd bet in our marty.
R  Lose -4.  Bet 4 on B etc...
B  Win 0.  We are now even for this attack and we immediately bet 1 on R starting a new 3 step pattern.
R  Win +1.  Bet 1 on R which is the 2nd of our 3 spin pattern.
etc...


One final point.  If you lose the 5 step marty, you immediately start a new attack by betting 1 on the 1st step in the last 3 step pattern.


The next time you have to bet a 5 step marty, go level 2 in the following progression.


1)  1-2-4-8-16
2)  2-4-8-16-32
3)  4-8-16-32-64
4)  8-16-32-64-128
5)  16-32-64-128-256


Once you reach a higher level in the progression, you only stay at that level until you have recovered the units lost at the previous level.


You work your way up by losing and work you way down by winning.


All ideas welcome.


GLC

[GLC]

1)  1-2-4-8-16
2)  2-4-8-16-32
3)  4-8-16-32-64
4)  8-16-32-64-128
5)  16-32-64-128-256


Once you reach a higher level in the progression, you only stay at that level until you have recovered the units lost at the previous level.


You work your way up by losing and work you way down by winning.


GLC

Here's a tweak on the above progression.


1  If lose --> 1-2-3-7-13-25-49
2  If lose --> 2-4-8-14-26-48-92
4  If lose --> 4-8-16-28-52-96-184

The first 1, 2 & 4 represent the unit size you bet when you start trying to repeat the last 3 spins.  If you lose at the first level of 1 --> 1-2-4-7-13-25-49  then you move to the 2nd level.  At this level you bet 2 units instead of 1 until you get a loss on the 1st bet.  Then you go into the 2-4-8 etc... marty.

If lose at the 4 level you can either stay at that level and try to dig out of the hole, or take that as your stop-loss.

I have been playing this to +50 units.

GLC

[caddy]

I logged in but that damn annoying pop up ad still comes up.

Goodby

[GLC]

I logged in but that darn annoying pop up ad still comes up.

Goodby

Don't blame me!

[GLC]

Obviously no one thinks this method as posted is any good so I'll tweak it a little.


Bet the double penultimate or the 3rd spin back each bet.


Start just like above by betting 1 unit on the double penultimate.  If you win, keep betting 1 unit on the double penultimate.


If you win 1 or more times and then lose, you are either even or ahead, so keep betting 1 unit until you lose.  Once you lose in this situation, you are starting a new attack.


If you lose the 1st bet of a new attack, you go into the bet progression.
You continue to bet the double penultimate with the following progression.


1  This is the 1st bet of an attack.  If you lose go to next
2  If you win this bet you will be at +1 so start a new attack.  If you lose go to next
2  If you lose the 1st 2 unit bet you go into the parlay mode.  Parlay 1 time.  Must win 2 in a row.
2  Parlay from here on
3  Parlay
4  Parlay
5  Parlay
7  Parlay
9  Parlay
12 Parlay
16 Etc...
22
29
39
52
69


That's -274 units if you ever reach 69 and lose.


It will be a very rare occurrence. 


Give it a test and see what I mean.


This is a killer for baccarat.

[GLC]

New Tweak.


Don't bet the double penultimate. 


Go back to betting the last 3 to repeat.  This turns single chops into mostly wins instead of all losses.


New killer progression:


If lose       Bet size           Number of times to bet         Amt up if win
-1                  1                                  1                                  +1
-3                  2                                  1                                  +1
-7                  4                                  1                                  +1
-9                  2                                  4                                  +1
-12                3                                  3                                    0
-15                3                                  4                                    0
-19                4                                  4                                  +1
-24                5                                  4                                  +1
-30                6                                  4                                   0
-38                8                                  4                                  +2
-48                10                                4                                  +2
-60                12                                4                                   0
-75                15                      bet 4 times from            from here on small wins
-94                19                      here to end of               or break even 
-118              24                      progression
-148              30
-185              37
-235              47
-294              59
-368              74
-460              92
-575              115
-719              144
-899              180
-1124            225
-1405            281
etc........................


When I say to bet 4 times, what I mean is to bet until you win 4 times more than you lose.  This is not a parlay.  You always bet the same amount on a level.


Example:


Let's say we are betting at the 8 unit level.  We must win 4 times more than you lose to be fully recovered from all the previous losses.  You can see that if we lose at the 6 unit level we will be down 30 units.   8 times 4 wins = 32 units.  It recovers our 30 lost units and leaves us +2.


This also means that if we lose the 1st 8 unit bet, we must immediately move on to the 10 unit level.  But, if we win the 1st bet, then we must bet 8 units again.  We must stay at this level until we either win 4 more times than we lose which will put us +32 units.  Or, we lose 1 time more than we win which will require us to move to the next level.


If we win 4 in a row, we reset.  If we get WLWWLWWW  we will be ahead 32 units and can reset with +2 for the attack.  If we get WLWWWW  +32.  If we get WWLLWLWWWLWW  +32.  If we get   WWWLLWLLWLWWLWWLLWLWWLLWLWWLLWWW  +32.  As you see we can play for a long time at a level before we get either up 4 or down 1.  Also note that we don't have to win 4 in a row.  All we have to do is win 4 times more than we lose and we're good to go.


This method gives us a lot more wiggle room over the parlay method.  It does rise at a faster pace, but it's not tied in to winning 4 in a row.


Also, our conscious decision making comes into play.  If we are getting into the larger bets and we win 2 or 3 times more than we have lost, we can drop back down the progression to a bet size that will recover the remaining units in 3 or 4 wins over losses.  This will help us to not reach our maximum bet size.


This can be changed to win 3 or 5 or 6 times more than lose if you want.  You decide.


Also, I went to -1405 in the chart, no need to go that high.  Pick your own cut off point.


On the other hand, you could use the 10,000 unit bank suggested in Winkel's win all you want system.  You would add more levels and I'd be totally shocked if you ever had a losing session this side of eternity.  The scary thing is that it is possible if not improbable to lose even with a 10,000 unit bank.


Believe me, this method wins and wins steadily.


It works for all even money bets: blackjack, baccarat, craps, etc...


Pick your poison.


Cheers,


GLC

[vladir]

Has anyone been trying this?It looks good...

[GLC]

Has anyone been trying this?It looks good...

I have.  It looks good.

[buffalowizard]

Hi George,


Great stuff, as usual.


Perhaps you should put this on the full systems or testing board to get more responses, now that you have tweaked it to its optimum?


BW

[GLC]

Hi George,


Great stuff, as usual.


Perhaps you should put this on the full systems or testing board to get more responses, now that you have tweaked it to its optimum?

BW

I wouldn't go so far as to say that it's optimized.  If you have the bank, it's looking almost infallible though.

If a moderator wants to move it, that's fine with me.  I'm not so good at hyping my systems that much.  If anyone's interested in this one, here it is.  If not, it's still working for me and on double zero no less.

My next post, unless someone has a question, will be when I finally find the session from hell.  If I don't find it, see ya on the flip side.

GLC

[Bayes]

George,

If I understand correctly, this will fail only if you lose 26 more times than you win (because that's the length of the progression) and in the meantime DON'T win 4 more times than you lose, is that right?

I'm sure such a sequence is out there, but you may never find it. 

[xxlakis]

George,

If I understand correctly, this will fail only if you lose 26 more times than you win (because that's the length of the progression) and in the meantime DON'T win 4 more times than you lose, is that right?

I'm sure such a sequence is out there, but you may never find it. 

You are right Bayes.The part of the +4 wins in some point of the progression looks pretty "tricky" to me though.Well i don't play even chances at all but i like the progression and some testing never harmed anyone...

[GLC]

You are right Bayes.The part of the +4 wins in some point of the progression looks pretty "tricky" to me though.Well i don't play even chances at all but i like the progression and some testing never harmed anyone...

Remember, the 1st 3 bets are a mini-marty and is where you win most of your units.  I've played sessions to +30 without going beyond step 3.  That's sweet.


I've gone to +100 and never had to go beyond level 8.

The highest level I've had to go to is betting 37 units.

[GLC]

The highest level I've had to go to is betting 37 units.

Just so you know, the session when I had to go all the way to betting 37 units, I ended it at +5.  It was a battle, but I still had plenty of ammo left.


The future of these progressions is to create one based on having to lose 2 times more than you win before having to move to the next level.  Or win 4 times more than you lose to reach a new high.


This makes each level a mini-game.


Of course you can choose to lose 3 or win 4, or lose 3 or win 5 or 6 etc...


The next step is to win say 2 or 3 more than you lose and that won't fully recover your losses which means you would only move back 3 or 4 levels each win and work your way back to full recovery.  This will  keep the progression from climbing at such a rapid pace.


After a while, though, you will find yourself in a real grind, but if you can block losing a progression, it'll be worth it.


You can always stop and restart at the same point tomorrow.

[GLC]

You are right Bayes.The part of the +4 wins in some point of the progression looks pretty "tricky" to me though.Well i don't play even chances at all but i like the progression and some testing never harmed anyone...

Xxlakis,  These progressions can be adapted to any bet on the table and the odds of winning are the same.  In my mind 2:1, 5:1, 8:1, 11:1, 17:1 and 35:1 are just eye candy.  They can win a lot-quickly, and they take a long time to lose a lot, but in the end, they're just expanded even chances.  Same Odds.  The configuration can take longer for the inevitable to happen, but eventually it will.


As I've stated before, what I'm trying to do with these progressions is create a bet method that gives us a lot of wins with very, very few losses.  With a little luck, we can get ahead of the losses far enough that we are always winners.  I emphasize the word "LUCK".  Without it, you can't win long term.


No bet selection will give you a long term advantage and no bet progression will give you a long term advantage, but combine a good bet selection with a good bet progression, sprinkle on a little luck and you can go to the casino with a reasonable expectation of being able to walk out a winner today.


With a progression like this one, I recommend at least 2 each 900 unit banks.  That let's you play through the 24th level 2 times.  When you are winning, don't keep more than 20% for a reward every now and then.  The other 80% must be added to your 1800 units.  When you get four 900 unit banks, you can increase the size of your unit, but I wouldn't double it, maybe only increase it by 50%.  This is where I think patience does the most good.


If you like dozens or lines or streets or whatever, you can create a progression based on these principles of win a certain number of times to fully recover vs lose a certain number of time to move to the next level.  It'll be just as effective.

link:://rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=6362.0

Check out this topic for an attempt on my part to expand the bread winner concept for all the bet locations.  It can take a month of Sundays to play some of the larger payoff locations, but it should work, with patience.


GLC