Double shot at even chance trips

[xxlakis]

Well i botted it yesterday with an extented progression of 36 steps and i let it all night on BV NZ.After 2000 spins it was still alive.If it holds second round i'll give it a shot with real money and i'll cross my fingers as always...

[GLC]

Well i botted it yesterday with an extented progression of 36 steps and i let it all night on BV NZ.After 2000 spins it was still alive.If it holds second round i'll give it a shot with real money and i'll cross my fingers as always...

What progression did you use?  Wow, 36 steps.  I like it.  What's bankroll requirement for that many steps.  I know it starts jumping up there on those last 10 or so.  If it doesn't hold up for a long time with 36 steps, I'll be shocked.

Thanks for taking the time to do the bot.  I know it doesn't just fall out of the sky. 

GLC

[xxlakis]

I extented the progression with your rules of recouping in 4 more wins than losses with a total bankrol of 13000 units needed but using 0.01 units it's pointless so i'll use 0.1 units with a 26 step progression.Actually making a bot is pretty fun and coding exercise  so when i see a method i like and undestand fully i have it  in about 1 hour  ready for tests.

[GLC]

I extented the progression with your rules of recouping in 4 more wins than losses with a total bankrol of 13000 units needed but using 0.01 units it's pointless so i'll use 0.1 units with a 26 step progression.Actually making a bot is pretty fun and coding exercise  so when i see a method i like and undestand fully i have it  in about 1 hour  ready for tests.

Right now I'm interested to see how it does on the 3,000 bet test.  That's 50 hours at 60 bets per hour.  I'm estimating, from my tests and making a few assumptions that it will win about 1 unit for every 10 bets.  That's 300 units in 3,000 bet or about 6 units per hour of play.  Of course we'll never know for sure.  The profit per spin will start off very high and reality will hit home on the first loss.
If it's early, we may have negative units won per spin or if it delays for a while, we could have more than .1 units per spin wins.


Remember, I'm working toward a system that will double 10,000 units in 1 year or 500 hours of actual playing time.  That's my part-time job after I retire.  It'll give me something constructive to do.  I'm going to divide it into five 2,000 unit banks.  I have 3 years to find my system.  It may already exist and I haven't found it yet or it may be a twinkle in somebody's eye.  And last but definitely possible, it may either not exist or I may never find it if it does.


Thanks for your help Xxlakis.

[xxlakis]

I played it last night real money.About 3000 spins +700 units.Pretty well i guess.As i increase my balance i'll expand the progression as much as table limit allows.

[GLC]

I played it last night real money.About 3000 spins +700 units.Pretty well i guess.As i increase my balance i'll expand the progression as much as table limit allows.

Thanks for reporting XXlakis.  +700 units in 3,000 spins is much better than I was expecting.  Don't be surprised if you hit a correction.  On the other hand, maybe my estimation was too low.  Then, 3,000 spins is just a wink in time and you could be sailing on the Lucky Lady's wings.

Keep us updated.

[GLC]

XXlakis is having a good run which is great.


I've posted a few bet methods to play this with.


For those of you who don't like any so far, here's one to consider.


If lose                   bet 


-6                         1-2-3
-12                       2-4-6 (3)
-18                       3-6-9 (4)
-48                       5-1015 (4)
-72                       12-24-36 (4)
-108                     18-36-54 (4)
-162                     27-54-81 (4)
-240                     40-80-120 (4)


As you can see, this is a mini-marty progression.  We bet 1-2-3 until we have 4 losses in a row.  We then move up to 2-4-6 until we win 3 times or lose 1.  On a loss we go to 3-6-9 until we win 4 times or lose. etc...


This is D'alembert style.  That means when we win the proper number of times at a level, we drop to the level immediately below that one we were on.


Work your way up the progression with losses and work your way down the progression with wins.


You can also use this method with Ego's "." topic.


Cheers

[GLC]

If you don't like the 3 step marty, you can drop to a 2 step marty.


It has always been my personal conviction that the optimum progression is 1-2 or 1-3.


The reason is that with 1-2 the second bet recovers the 1st bet plus a win to boot.
1-3 recovers the 1st bet with a double win to boot.
If you go 1-2-3, the 3 doesn't include a win to boot.
If you play D'Alembert, it just takes too long to dig out of a hole.


You can use a simple bet selection like the penultimate.


Progression


1-3
2-6
3-9
5-15
8-24
13-39
21-63
34-102
55-165


I hate to use the word, but progression which is similar to the fibonacci progression works very well with this 2 step bet.  You can either stay at a level until you have recovered all losses or you can step up on a loss and down on a win.


1-2
2-4
3-6
5-10
8-16
13-26
21-42
34-68
55-110
89-178


That's the 1-2 progression for everyone from Rio Linda.

[xxlakis]

Second session 3600 spins +550 units.Well the profit isn't stable but as far as we don't lose everything else is good.Maximum step of progression was 24... ..for whom the bell tolls???

[Blood Angel]

Second session 3600 spins +550 units.Well the profit isn't stable but as far as we don't lose everything else is good.Maximum step of progression was 24... ..for whom the bell tolls???

Thank you for keeping us informed 

[GLC]

XXlakis is having a good run which is great.



As you can see, this is a mini-marty progression.  We bet 1-2-3 until we have 4 losses in a row.  We then move up to 2-4-6 until we win 3 times or lose 1.  On a loss we go to 3-6-9 until we win 4 times or lose. etc...

When I say until we have 4 losses in a row, I mean until we lose the 3 step marty which will take 4 losing bets in a row.  I don't mean until we lose the marty 4 times in a row.  Kapish?

[GLC]

Second session 3600 spins +550 units.Well the profit isn't stable but as far as we don't lose everything else is good.Maximum step of progression was 24... ..for whom the bell tolls???

+550 units in 3600 spins is getting closer to what I think this will win.  The problem is that I'm including a full progression loss to reach 1 unit for each 10 spins and you haven't had a loss yet.

If you keep going, I think it will be close to my prediction.  Anything less than 1 unit per 10 spins is a little iffy as to whether or not it's worth the time and effort to play.

[xxlakis]

3 session total 1900 spins gain +447 units with maximum step 21.Total gain so far 1700 units.

[GLC]

My tests are causing me to lean to the following progression as the most stable bet method in tandem with a decent win rate:

It is a re-print of the progression in reply #5 this topic


If lose       Bet size           Number of times to bet         Amt up if win
-1                  1                                  1                                  +1
-3                  2                                  1                                  +1
-7                  4                                  1                                  +1
-9                  2                                  4                                  +1
-12                3                                  3                                    0
-15                3                                  4                                    0
-19                4                                  4                                  +1
-24                5                                  4                                  +1
-30                6                                  4                                   0
-38                8                                  4                                  +2
-48                10                                4                                  +2
-60                12                                4                                   0
-75                15                      bet 4 times from            from here on small wins
-94                19                      here to end of               or break even 
-118              24                      progression
-148              30
-185              37
-235              47
-294              59
-368              74
-460              92
-575              115
-719              144
-899              180
-1124            225
-1405            281
etc........................


When I say to bet 4 times, what I mean is to bet until you win 4 times more than you lose.  This is not a parlay.  You always bet the same amount on a level.


Example:


Let's say we are betting at the 8 unit level.  We must win 4 times more than you lose to be fully recovered from all the previous losses.  You can see that if we lose at the 6 unit level we will be down 30 units.   8 times 4 wins = 32 units.  It recovers our 30 lost units and leaves us +2.


This also means that if we lose the 1st 8 unit bet, we must immediately move on to the 10 unit level.  But, if we win the 1st bet, then we must bet 8 units again.  We must stay at this level until we either win 4 more times than we lose which will put us +32 units.  Or, we lose 1 time more than we win which will require us to move to the next level.


If we win 4 in a row, we reset.  If we get WLWWLWWW  we will be ahead 32 units and can reset with +2 for the attack.  If we get WLWWWW  +32.  If we get WWLLWLWWWLWW  +32.  If we get   WWWLLWLLWLWWLWWLLWLWWLLWLWWLLWWW  +32.  As you see we can play for a long time at a level before we get either up 4 or down 1.  Also note that we don't have to win 4 in a row.  All we have to do is win 4 times more than we lose and we're good to go.


This method gives us a lot more wiggle room over the parlay method.  It does rise at a faster pace, but it's not tied in to winning 4 in a row.

[xxlakis]

GLC the bot is playing for 18 consecutive hours and after 4710 spins is 1200 units up with highest step 23.Your progression of "win 4 more than you lose" works pretty well i guess but i am thinking of trying the 401 "win 4 consecutive times" too.