"Progression-MM" is OUR ONLY POWER

[RouletteExplorer]

"""Not sure what you mean or what you think I meant; but just to be clear, I was trying to be enthusiastically supportive."""

Yes i know this my friend and thank you.

"""I take it this means you are looking for a bet selection that will win flat betting."""

There isn t such a thing.Unfortunately

[LuckoftheIrish]

I take it this means you are looking for a bet selection that will win flat betting.

I should have said it probably is not possible.  I still test progression/MM based systems and create new ones occasionally.

And yes, I have also searched for flat betting methods that can win in the long run.  I still do search for them.  Naturally I have not found any, because I still search 

[Bayes]

You don't necessarily need a bet selection which will win flat betting, it only has to keep the progression from getting out of hand and ensure that the needed wins will come before you've lost your bank.

Progressions and MM aren't enough on their own; in my opinion you need both. So progression-MM isn't your ONLY power. Feel free to disagree, but if you're going to quote the maths, it's inconsistent to claim that MM alone will save you, because the maths makes no distinction between bet selections and MM - according to it, NOTHING can work.

[RouletteExplorer]

"""You don't necessarily need a bet selection which will win flat betting, it only has to keep the progression from getting out of hand and ensure that the needed wins will come before you've lost your bank.

Progressions and MM aren't enough on their own; in my opinion you need both. So progression-MM isn't your ONLY power. Feel free to disagree, but if you're going to quote the maths, it's inconsistent to claim that MM alone will save you, because the maths makes no distinction between bet selections and MM - according to it, NOTHING can work."""

Ofcource I agree with the consept that we need a bet selection that  has to keep the progression from getting out of hand and ensure that the needed wins will come before you've lost your bank.

But this would be applyable ONLY if there could be a better bet selection than the others...
And TIME and EXPLORING for 400 years hve shown that there isn t .

[Bayes]

But this would be applyable ONLY if there could be a better bet selection than the others...
And TIME and EXPLORING for 400 years hve shown that there isn t .

But you could say the same for progressions and MM - no-one has found one in 400 years so one can't exist. Why pick on bet selections in particular?
Also, IF someone came up with a winning system, would you expect them to take out a full page Ad in The Times? 

[RouletteExplorer]

"""But you could say the same for progressions and MM - no-one has found one in 400 years so one can't exist. Why pick on bet selections in particular?"""

I agree with this and it is already in my mind. It s just that because every spin is independent , NO bet selection can be better or worst than the others....wile the MM- Progression is something that is left for me to belieave-hope.

"""Also, IF someone came up with a winning system, would you expect them to take out a full page Ad in The Times?"""

Nothing in this planet can remain secret if it involves SEX or MONEY! Espesially when we are speaking about UNLIMITED money......

[birdhands]

I think this is unique time in roulette history, with online casinos that can be played by bots and betting spreads of up to 1:150,000.  With a big enough bankroll and a small enough base bet, as well as a bot to do what no human could, anything is possible.

[RouletteExplorer]

I think that when a casino offers 1:150,000 it is obvious that the wheels are rigged(scams)

[Bayes]

If you need that kind of spread, in my opinion you shouldn't be playing. 

Nothing in this planet can remain secret if it involves SEX or MONEY! Espesially when we are speaking about UNLIMITED money......

That just isn't the way the world works. History is full of examples where people don't take opportunities which on the face of it seem to be great. There are many reasons, maybe it's "too good to be true" (so it CAN'T be true).
I could stand in a busy street with a tray of cash and a neon sign around my neck saying "Get your money here", and I would probably be ignored. 

Don't forget we're talking about roulette - "everyone" KNOWS it's unbeatable; roulette = unpredictable. Companies spend millions on getting their products advertised, even if  you have the best thing since sliced bread, chances are it won't get noticed unless you have the right publicity. And if you're smart enough to come up with a winning system, you'd probably take care not to draw attention to yourself. Furthermore, it's likely to be a complex method so it wouldn't be easy to figure out. Also, a lot of people look down on gambling, many religious people think it's a sin, or at best foolish. Others are quite happy buying their weekly lottery ticket and having a little dream, but actually putting some time and effort into finding a winning system? not a chance.

And another thing... 

There are plenty of other gambling opportunities, such as poker and sports betting, where you CAN get a real advantage (even the mathematicians say so). I know someone who's made a good living playing poker for over 25 years. If there are consistent winners, there must be consistent winning methods, so if they haven't managed to keep them secret (as you assume), why are the bookies still in business?

[ego]

 
Well nothing is that easy - if you know how to win - then there is as much work hiding what you are up to - as it was to get where you are.
I am saying that i spend 4K to learn how to beat the game and on the way meet does who already does - ain't easy making a living - even if you know how to win.
As you can not burn your bridge at home - as then you would not be able to play for peanuts - witch does not month up to rent, food and luxury.
So what is the option - traveling witch means expensive and time.
Then if some one work it wont be much of that either.
And even if there is opportunity to travel - some one should not play to big as you would like to be welcome back.

Sport betting same issue as above - i know many who been ban or limited - that is on line and with bookies.
So what ever some one knows and can do - it allways as much about hide and seek as it is about winning.

[RouletteExplorer]

@ Bayes So let s hope that there is a winning method and they are keeping it secret.

@ego We are speaking here about a method(imaginery) that doesn have to do with VB or Bias that need traveling and tracking etc.

The sad thing about the Roulette Forums nowdays is that noone is still passioned in beating the game.
  In the old days the forums were full of new ideas and testing and engineering and tweaking....
Now more ppl are expirienced and tired from searching and testing and they know that 99.9 % there can t be a winning method.....so the forums are dead.

[ego]

 
@RouletteExplorer ...

Yes i understand what you mean - i remember when VLS was new and i remember the forum before that - it was like a small family with new ideas.
Even if i don't play roulette systems i do admit i believe there exist a Chance to win long term.
It depends on bankroll and risk of ruin.

Some times i can find some topics from different users and think for my self that if they would be togher as one topic - some one would have a full working playing model and it would not be
any need to look any further.

Cheers

[RouletteExplorer]

Yes ego. Everything you just said are so true.

[mr.ore]

Why bet selections can't work:

Suppose you have a bet selection that keeps the progression from getting out of hand, then that means there is SOMETHING limited, and stream of results is not really random. For example your bet selection ensures, that there would not be more than 12 blacks in a row. In this case you can win flat betting - just wait for that event to almost happen and then bet, so in the example bet wait for 12 blacks and then bet red, you would always win. Or start afater five blacks with marty, you would never lose. Any bet selection that could do that could be also transformed into one which wins flat betting, just wait for a win...

Another approach to "holy grail" - if you could avoid lose more than once every 37 spins, you would have positive expectation. If you play a number and on average every 37 spins you correctly bet two times when your number won't hit (you don't bet and it does not hit), you have and advantage 1/37 over casino. You can even "progress" on this idea - if you bet that number won't hit but it hits, you are 35 units down (because you didn't make a profit) and you have to correctly bet more 35 times when it won't hit to return to positive expectation. If you could somehow do it, you would be a winner. Find a formula how to guess it long term, and you win long term until shit happens, flat betting. Something like if number slept more than 30 spins last time and now it sleeps also more than 30 spins, it won't hit at the same spin number as last and also at same spin number as one before last last time, so you don't bet in those two cases, then add that after a number did hit four times in a row, you don't bet it, or if it just hit two times, then you don't bet it after it's next apperaence and so on... just a thought.

[RouletteExplorer]

""""Suppose you have a bet selection that keeps the progression from getting out of hand, then that means there is SOMETHING limited, and stream of results is not really random. For example your bet selection ensures, that there would not be more than 12 blacks in a row. In this case you can win flat betting - just wait for that event to almost happen and then bet, so in the example bet wait for 12 blacks and then bet red, you would always win. Or start afater five blacks with marty, you would never lose. Any bet selection that could do that could be also transformed into one which wins flat betting, just wait for a win...""""

Suppose you have a bet selection that keeps the progression from getting out of hand, then that means there is SOMETHING limited,

No bet selection is more limited than an other bet selection.

For example your bet selection ensures, that there would not be more than 12 blacks in a row. In this case you can win flat betting - just wait for that event to almost happen and then bet, so in the example bet wait for 12 blacks and then bet red, you would always win.

No bet selection can ensure ANYTHING.
The example u just mentioned is already tested and it fails.

Or start afater five blacks with marty, you would never lose. Any bet selection that could do that could be also transformed into one which wins flat betting, just wait for a win.

This is also tested and it fails.

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Bet selection can t favour us in any way...it is proven over the years by all the roulette explorers.

Ps. Mr ore I really don't have anything against you , but its sad to mention or to test the old losing ideas....it is just making us going back instead of forward.