"Progression-MM" is OUR ONLY POWER

[mr.ore]

That's why bet selections+progressions can't work, because if they could, you could make it win flat betting by just waiting. Bet selection can't favor us, but you won't find working MM either. So we have to thing about bet selection actually, but this is where MAGIC would be needed  Find that, and you control random, then you can control universe  LoL

By the way it was my poorly described attampt at "proof by contradiction" , or at least example of something stupid. You are absolutely right it won't work. We are all fools and asylum is waiting for us to come

[RouletteExplorer]

""""""We are all fools and asylum is waiting for us to come """""

Maybe this is true 
But we have to try harder ! Hahahahahahha 

[RouletteExplorer]

I think a winner progression should progress when we are winning and not when we are losing.
With this way the "downs" will become smaller and the "Ups" will become bigger.

[nitrix]

Its also something I have done before. It kind of works, but you need to reset your progression as soon as you're in a new high bankroll(profit) otherwise it just keeps betting more and more until you reach your bankroll limit. Also if you are half way your progression and loses 29 times in a row, chances are your bankroll will suffer, actually you are gpnna lose the very last chips you have.

Tweak to this would be a progression that reduces losses faster when you lose than it grows when you win.

I.e:
You win, move one step on right.
You lose, move two steps on left.

With the right progression this means you only need to win at least half many times as you lose to make a profit... which is purely awesome.

And any kind of bad luck will bring you back to betting 1,1,1,1 (the smallest unit in the progression) over and over again.

Plus, you can add tweaks to that, like a progression that lets you bet twice your bet to acvomodate events like BRBRBRBRBR alternating, and if you really lose it, then just then, you move back two step in progression,

etc.

[mr.ore]

Progression for two dozens - double up bet on lose, half your bet on win. It is basically Fibonacci on two dozens. It does not work, but it is SO close, if only there were not those holes...

Took approximately 2200 spins in this quick to actually lose (I would not play such big bets for real like those in that drawdown in the third image...).

[mr.ore]

Or a "trigger" version - wait in virtual mode for two long losing series in a small time frame, and after a hit wait for somewhat smaller losing series and start with (16,16,0) or whatever, on wins half bets and hope you won't get unlucky.

Or after several wins with "normal" mode add those wins and then half it - this way you can make it positive progression. In case of big bets back zero, but do not consider it hitting a lose or a win, ignore result. Do not back zero with small bets.

[ego]

 
@ nitrix and mr.ore - how does your progression look like - would you mind post them.

My self i test fibo as i find it best - even with out the need to reset two bets back after a win - as if there is strike distribution you just let the one's recoup any loses.
I test in on even money bet.

1 1 1 2 2 3 5 8 13 21 34 55 89

Cheers

[ego]

 
Here is 400.000 and its not up as you go - but just want to show that is no need for that ...
I did run this for 1.000.000 but lost the screen-shot - it end up positive using fibo - even if the progression tank once.

If i remember it correct it was only a 12 step fibo - now i search progrssion from Frank Barstow witch made some nice 15 to 18 step fibo for even money bets - would be nice to play around with.

[mr.ore]

Fibo is interesting progression, the basic idea of it is that with decent hit ratio it recovers loses, but not in one hit, thus allowing playing lower limits tables. In ECs next  bet is a sum of two previous, you actually start with (0) 1 and continue 1 2 3 5..., for dozens it is a sum of last three bets divided by payout, rounded up, on win you delete last three numbers. For two dozens it is doubling up on lose and halving on win, because you can't delete more than one number. For five lanes it is *5 on lose and /5 on win. The idea is still same... It can work also on number.

You can get this with fibonacci on number if you are lucky enough (max. bet 100 units though):
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but the system is a failure anyway ...

[ego]

Fibo is interesting progression, the basic idea of it is that with decent hit ratio it recovers loses, but not in one hit, thus allowing playing lower limits tables. In ECs next  bet is a sum of two previous, you actually start with (0) 1 and continue 1 2 3 5..., for dozens it is a sum of last three bets divided by payout, rounded up, on win you delete last three numbers. For two dozens it is doubling up on lose and halving on win, because you can't delete more than one number. For five lanes it is *5 on lose and /5 on win. The idea is still same... It can work also on number.

You can get this with fibonacci on number if you are lucky enough (max. bet 100 units though):
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but the system is a failure anyway ...

Very cool mr.ore and let me say i can learn from you as you from me.

One thing i learn is that playing even money there is no need to raise the first three bets.
That is 111 or +1+0-1 and this is due we get chop or having certan strike ratio ...

Same apply for dozen - try it and you will see the effect ...
When i test dozen i use a line like 1 1 1 1 2 2 3 4 6 and so on ...

Cheers

[Tomla021]

mr ore, on your double dozen bet the third graph----even with a meltdown it still eventually went up...whats that terrible about that?
bests

[Blood Angel]

... It can work also on number.

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but the system is a failure anyway ...

How would the fib look like for betting on numbers pls?

[RouletteExplorer]

Betting with a losing progression on Ecs or on dozens or on numbers its the same thing...the odds don t change....so in the end it will end up as a loser

[warrior]

Progression for two dozens - double up bet on lose, half your bet on win. It is basically Fibonacci on two dozens. It does not work, but it is SO close, if only there were not those holes...

Took approximately 2200 spins in this quick to actually lose (I would not play such big bets for real like those in that drawdown in the third image...).

MORE what was the bet seletion used for this? and how do you mean half your bet on a win ,does this mean go up on a win by half.

[nitrix]

Oh damn. So I'm a fervant "odds guy" and I believe things in the long run always gets balanced. Thus, you can't really predict if the next spin will be working for you or agaisnt you.... but in the long run, its ALWAYS balanced, meaning there'll be as many Blacks than Reds.

I already posted earlier my point of view on bet selections, now it appears with further testing that a static progression will never work. If you apply statistics formula, the profits your progression can make will eventually be lost with the same entropy as when you won them.

Exemple: 1/1, 3/3 on two dozens:
(Remember in a balanced world, dozens loses every two wins)
1/1, you win, +1 profit
1/1, you win, +2 profit
1/1, you lose, back to 0.
(you lost, move in the progression)
3/3, win, +3
3/3, win, +6
3/3, lost, back to 0.

Another way to look at this is from a Lw registry:
1,1,1 progression.
WWW, +3
WWL, +1
WLW, +1
WLL, -1
LWW, +1
LWL, -1
LLW, -1
LLL, -3
Total: 0 <--- break even. It ALWAYS does.

I showed flat betting 1,1,1 for simplicity sake but try with your progression guys, you'll get the same results, except it'll much more time to list all the Lw outcomes.

SO. Progressions (at least static ones) and bet selections get me nowhere.

I'm dedicating my night thinking out of the box, I already got a few ideas, lets see how it turns out.