ATTENTION ! Street system that passed 10.000 spins!

[RouletteExplorer]

I understand how difficult having a enlightened conversation can be when there is a moderator that only wants to shoot down and dismiss thoughtful questions and comments.

Thank God someone said it ! Because I wasn t allowed.

[iggiv]

I understand how difficult having a enlightened conversation can be when there is a moderator that only wants to shoot down and dismiss thoughtful questions and comments. 

that's simply unfair and not true. i am arguing about roulette ways not as a mod now, i use my mod power only when personal insults and attacks are involved. u use my mod status as an argument in discussion where other opinions are present and u do it just because u don't agree with mod's opinion. That's not nice.
i am not going to shut up anybody with any opinion. And especially it is untrue concerning RE.
i spent half a day trying to straight him up to prevent him from banning, and now he is OK and
has no problems with others and our discussion is friendly and anyone can express any view.
i don't agree with him but i want him to keep experessing his ideas and thoughts even though i don't find them quite useful (but that's my personal opinion which does not have to do anything with mod's power).

and again -- i put LOTS OF EFFORTS to leave him here in this forum without much friction between him and other members, and i did it because i find it right to have different opinions in the forum even that i don't agree with lots of them.
so your accusation is unfair and unjustified.

but u can be relieved because i believe i am not going to discuss this topic for long time, it has been no more than waist of time for me personally i believe. the only good thing i achieved is that RE is now can be friendly calm while arguing with other opinions (i hope so).

thanx a lot to everybody, i will try not to disturb your friendly discussion anymore

[iggiv]

I understand how difficult having a enlightened conversation can be when there is a moderator that only wants to shoot down and dismiss thoughtful questions and comments.

Thank God someone said it ! Because I wasn t allowed.

u really feel i was trying to shut u up because  i don't agree with u? when i spent so much time explaining u that i don't want u to be banned and want to see u in this forum discussing stuff smoothly?

u make me upset man. but be it.
of course i am glad that u express what u want like u r doing it now -- nice and without getting into personal conflicts. and u will do it without me, hopefully it will make u feel better.
thank u

[RouletteExplorer]

Ofcource I appriciated ur attitude.
But to tell the truth you are a person that likes be a winner in a conversation and you accuse me of the same.

[iggiv]

it is not accusation, it is normal for any human to want being a winner. in anything. this is normal.


the problem is when u waist your time and energy on this when u get nothing in return.

u say i like to be a winner in argument? well, i admit u won this argument. and u have more supporters than i do.
so be it. u won, i lost.

take care bud 

[Jeromin]

Where I was having trouble with this betting method was when I followed R Ex's instructions, I was adding 1 unit to a new line that was just entering the collection of lines not hit in the last 12 spins.  By this time, there were other lines that were on 10, 11 or 15 times sleeping.  I would hit on the new 1-unit bet, but lose more than I won because of the uneven units placed on the various lines.

It made no sense, I ignored it form the start.

I've always been weary of long progressions but I realise it was my lack of funds and the low min/max of some online casinos.

Your progression total cost multiplies 15 steps by 4. Do you not add and substract streets as they hit and sleep? I did a few tests and the number of qualifying streets is rarely constant at 4.

Jeromin

[Colbster]

For the record, I am embarrassed to see that my previous words were misinterpreted to mean that I agreed with Roulette Explorer.  I do not.  I think that him feeling the need to respond to every single sentence of every single post in response to his post is unnecessary and indicative of an overly sensitive personality.  I apologize to Iggiv for my use of the term "moderator".  I meant it in reference to the thread-starter, not the capital M Moderator.

In reply to Jeromin, I do change my bets according to the various hits and misses during the session.  I find that 4 is a good average number after the first 12 spins, although you could certainly change the bankroll to 360 or 600 to suit your own needs and preferences.  If it is less than 4, your bankroll has a better life expectancy.  If you have 5 sleepers, your odds are even better for a hit early in your session, so I am much less concerned that 5 would go to level 15 than 4.  I was putting this out for discussion, as I think we might be able to salvage this topic before it dies out.

[RouletteExplorer]

I think that him feeling the need to respond to every single sentence of every single post in response to his post is unnecessary and indicative of an overly sensitive personality

LoL...this is what iggiv also doing...is he sensitive too?

And forget the net selection of this system or any other betselections...they don t change a thing

[iggiv]

For the record, I am embarrassed to see that my previous words were misinterpreted to mean that I agreed with Roulette Explorer.  I do not.  I think that him feeling the need to respond to every single sentence of every single post in response to his post is unnecessary and indicative of an overly sensitive personality.  I apologize to Iggiv for my use of the term "moderator".  I meant it in reference to the thread-starter, not the capital M Moderator.

thanx Colbster for clearing it out

[Colbster]

RE,

I think that you should read my first full system, link:://rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=3608.0.  As a person who has a huge amount of respect for math and statistics, I think you will find my explanation to be eye-opening.  My system gives a complete mathematical advantage to the bettor.  It beats roulette mathematically, for BV NZ, European (-2.7%) or American (-5.3%) tables.  If you follow the math, you will see that the oft-quoted 2.7% house edge doesn't always exist.  The only time that we have a static disadvantage is when we have a static bet, ie: putting a chip on black and spinning for x number of spins.

Math PROVES that my system works.  If you have as much faith in math as I do (and you claim to), then you will see that the knee-jerk reaction of "house edge" is a false argument.

[amk]

Although I haven't even started my research Colbster.........

I have faith that your math is right ....................

[RouletteExplorer]

Colbster is what you say is correct then why don't use it to make money and you are still here?

This is what i get when i am opening the link:

The topic or board you are looking for appears to be either missing or off limits to you.

[Colbster]

I may have posted the link incorrectly. 

link:://rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=3608.msg32538#msg32538

seems to get me there with no problem.  I started playing my original method, and with amazing results, as are chronicled in the original thread.  I took my small bankroll to nearly 10 times my starting amount and then made a critical error that killed me:  I hit the 50 euro button instead of the 0.50 euro and blew my bankroll in one bad spin.  400 euro out the window!  Now, I don't have any extra money to start with again, so I have gone back to playing around with other systems, looking for a better bet selection method to tie in with my staking method.  If I can find a better bet selection, I could theoretically turn a modest edge into an amazing edge and be that much better off.

I posted my original method, as well as a version 2.0, in hopes of getting honest feedback and improvement on my method.  I am as convinced as ever or the mathematical edge it provides, but I know that it could still be improved on.  My money management/progression, for instance, seems to be the weak point, so I spend time playing around with different concepts while the money is still imaginary.  When the money is real again, I look forward to having a solid plan that will overcome what the felt throws at me.

Even when I do play real money, I will still spend time here playing with theory.  I actually came to roulette as a way to help me go to sleep at night, as my mind runs numbers when I try to sleep.  I didn't expect to play with real money, or to find a way to beat roulette.  My method seems to have just found me.  When I know it works, I will bot it and go back to playing with variations to keep my mind active.  I don't feel that I need to defend my work to anyone - they read it and agree or disagree.  The facts speak for themselves, and it allows me to put the work out there for public consumption without any fear of embarrassment. 

I hope that link works and you find my numbers as exciting as I do.

Best wishes!

[RouletteExplorer]

The link doesn't work...at least for me.

can you post the name of the Topic for me to search it?

Also you said:  My money management/progression, for instance, seems to be the weak point,

Yes but if your bet selections was providing something better than the -2.7 you could be win flat....

Anyway for more understanding of what u say I have to read the topic.

[birdhands]

Did you try the second link?  It worked for me.