**VERTICAL 8*

[Johnlegend]

I have a new method to introduce to the forum. It isnt entirely new in concept. But its potential looks huge. Wading through all past results for all matrix methods. I have found one loss in nearly 3,000 potential games. It is played on the dozens only so far. Whether it would be as effective on columns remains to be seen. The rules...

1, We record spins for the DOZENS in a 4 wide matrix until we get a VERTICAL COLUMN of 3 of the same dozen. I.E

2322
3312
0232--TRIGGER DOZEN 2 COLUMN 4

2, We now bet against this trip becoming an 8 timer. using the classic 1,3,9,27,81 x 2 progression. Total risk 242 units

3, I am playing for 4 games per session. Now depending on your pocket, patience you can wait longer for a quad before commencing. Or bet from a trip against a 7 timer. Using 1,3,9,27 x 2 for an 80 unit risk. I have 300 played games now. With only two 6 timers in the results. The extra risk of 242 units to increase turnover appears well worth the risk.

4, As always I advise you test Vertical 8 thoroughly before risking real funds. Its looking incredible in the 4 by 4 format.

RESULTS UPDATE FOR VERTICAL 8 FOR 02/10/2011

TOTAL GAMES PLAYED 300

TOTAL GAMES WON 300

TOTAL GAMES LOST ZERO

STRIKERATE 100%

BALANCE 600 UNITS PLUS

STEP 1 WINS 187

STEP 2 WINS 68

STEP 3 WINS 43

STEP 4 WINS 2

STEP 5 CURRENTLY UNCHALLENGED...

[Chrisbis]

RESULTS UPDATE FOR VERTICAL 8 FOR 02/10/2011

TOTAL GAMES PLAYED 300
TOTAL GAMES WON 300
TOTAL GAMES LOST ZERO
STRIKERATE 100%
BALANCE 600 UNITS PLUS
STEP 1 WINS 187
STEP 2 WINS 68
STEP 3 WINS 43
STEP 4 WINS 2
STEP 5 CURRENTLY UNCHALLENGED...

Total of actual spins posted in Forum, from actual game= Zero

Great to see new ideas here, all the Time, but..................................... 

Sorry John, but some of us, Need PROOF this time.

I have a lot of players on the forum who say they can not replicate your results on many of the Matix ideas.

So, will U show us some actual numbers please?

Or there is a tendency to think, U just make these results "FIT" into your past data, in rather a Unique way!

Some examples would be fantastic to see/examine/study, and then we can ALL go off, to our respective Casino's, and give a Jolly Good Go!

Urs sincerely, Chris

[superman]

Or there is a tendency to think, U just make these results "FIT" into your past data, in rather a Unique way!

Excellent point Chris, everybody who was supposedly supporting these matrix methods has never reported these types of result sets, ever.

Question to other members, have any of you had the same excellent, un troubled results as claimed by the creator?

[Johnlegend]

Excellent point Chris, everybody who was supposedly supporting these matrix methods has never reported these types of result sets, ever.

Question to other members, have any of you had the same excellent, un troubled results as claimed by the creator?

To Chris/Superman READ rule 4 of the method. And ask yourself how many people on this forum  TRULY follow a method for several months. As you should/must. To realize its potential or lack of.
The weak link in the chain is the HUMAN MIND. Never forget that. I am not going to labour with anyone over any method. You can chose to test it on paper or ignore it. Thats your choice.

[Proofreaders2000]

Glad you're back JohnLegend and congratulations 

Would this method also work in an even-chance format?

[Johnlegend]

Glad you're back JohnLegend and congratulations 

Would this method also work in an even-chance format?

Hi Proof thankyou, no even chances are too unstable. For 8, double that and youd have something. But once again you would require the patience to wait for say 8 evens before commencing your campaign. That is why I have introduced it on the dozens. They are the area on the layout I have the greatest experience with.

And 8 is a very solid barrier. Random has only shown me it once in around 3000 potential games. Most verticals don't even see 5. Remember how hard it was just to get a quad to play the ORIGINAL MATRIX VERTICAL 5. That is where this idea first entered my thoughts. Twister was the first person to let it be known that random could show you double figures for a vertical column on an even chance. But when it comes to a 2/1 chance, its another story. Random is running out of steam by the time it hits 4 the majority of the time. This is another of randoms achilles heels.

Test it thoroughly on real spins, and you will come to the same conclusion...

[amk]

Another masterpiece JohnLegend...........

One loss in 3000 potential games says it all...........

I tested on my CODE4 live wheel spin data of 3500 spins and only found one 9 pointer......

Ofcourse not as VERTCAL8 should be played but shows its strength.........

I think it would be interesting to see where the equilibrium lies. Perhaps 80% of the time only 5 pointers are formed. Giving us the opportunity to start placing bets after a 3 pointer for a 26 unit bet.......

Thanks for taking the time to share VERTCAL8 with us, very exciting........

[munirchittagong]

hi Johnlegend ! thanks for ur all excellent ideas and systems specially in matrix way in this forum. I like this forum for all of u genuises' contribution.

For ur this sytem VERTICAL 8, could u please explain more about my following confusion -

1. After getting VERTICAL COLUMN of 3 of the same dozen, should we continue for next 5 times for 8 ?
2. Or we will stop on win and wait for another quad ?

Thanks

Munir

[Johnlegend]

Another masterpiece JohnLegend...........

One loss in 3000 potential games says it all...........

I tested on my CODE4 live wheel spin data of 3500 spins and only found one 9 pointer......

Ofcourse not as VERTCAL8 should be played but shows its strength.........

I think it would be interesting to see where the equilibrium lies. Perhaps 80% of the time only 5 pointers are formed. Giving us the opportunity to start placing bets after a 3 pointer for a 26 unit bet.......

Thanks for taking the time to share VERTCAL8 with us, very exciting........

Thankyou AMK, yes there could be enough mileage in the fact that the majority of streaks don't go beyond 5. And its funny you should mention the number 9. Someone emailed me the other day. With a very interesting twist on CODE 4. Using 9 rows to layout all the possible permutations possible. Its called 9 by 9. I am currently testing it.

If it holds up I will ask him if he wants it on the forum. It looks impregnable because it marries the PATTERN BREAKER concept to CODE 4 imagine that. I will wade through my results AMK and give you the breakdown on percentage for strikes inside 5. I have only had 2 6 timers in 320 played games. Using the 4 by 4 approach. So I think you have a very good chain of thought here AMK. For players not able/willing to risk 80 or 242 units.
Well done...

[MadMax]

Random has only shown me it once in around 3000 potential games

My test I did with the first 3 files of iggiv´s german live casino spins (270000) confirms this result. In this 270000 spins, I got around 18000 betting signals and was faced with 6 losses (0 in the 1st file, 4 in the second and 2 in the 3rd). This means on average a betting signal in every 15 spins and a loosing chance of the progression of 0,033%!
I have to restrict these result, because I have ignored the zeros, which can lead to some more loosings.

I almost didn´t make these post, cause I hardly can believe the result of these test, but it´s a very simple Excel sheet only based on comparing the dozens.

Thanks a lot for sharing your system and good luck furthermore!

[Johnlegend]

My test I did with the first 3 files of iggiv´s german live casino spins (270000) confirms this result. In this 270000 spins, I got around 18000 betting signals and was faced with 6 losses (0 in the 1st file, 4 in the second and 2 in the 3rd). This means on average a betting signal in every 15 spins and a losing chance of the progression of 0,033%!
I have to restrict these result, because I have ignored the zeros, which can lead to some more losings.

I almost didn´t make these post, cause I hardly can believe the result of these test, but it´s a very simple Excel sheet only based on comparing the dozens.

Thanks a lot for sharing your system and good luck furthermore!

Thanks for your input Mad Max. Very interesting. It tallies pretty close to my research. with one loss in 3000 potential games.

[Jeromin]

If the test on 2700000 spins is continuous, I'm guessing there is no need for hit and run, right? MadMax, is there any chance you could break down the wins into step 1, step 2, etc?  A 1 3 9 progression with higher unit value might be viable.

Jeromin

[Bettor 27]

Here is a test on the entire month of January 2010 from

link:://permanenzen.westspiel.de/Default.aspx?tag=29&monat=9&jahr=2011&tisch=0107&casino=13

Breakdown of results for continuous play:

Vertical 03 = 289 times
Vertical 04 = 095 times
Vertical 05 = 036 times
Vertical 06 = 012 times
Vertical 07 = 002 times
Vertical 08 = 001 times
Vertical 09 = 002 times
Vertical 10 = 002 times

[soggett]

Here is a test on the entire month of January 2010 from

link:://permanenzen.westspiel.de/Default.aspx?tag=29&monat=9&jahr=2011&tisch=0107&casino=13

Breakdown of results for continuous play:

Vertical 03 = 289 times
Vertical 04 = 095 times
Vertical 05 = 036 times
Vertical 06 = 012 times
Vertical 07 = 002 times
Vertical 08 = 001 times
Vertical 09 = 002 times
Vertical 10 = 002 times

Wow, that's some nice numbers there
that's amazing, really amazing
Vertical 03 = 289 times - that means that 289 times it didn't go to vertical 4 or that you had 289 times a signal to bet?

[Bettor 27]

Wow, that's some nice numbers there
Does that mean that we have a approximately 98,4% of a run ending at vertical 6?
that's amazing, really amazing

yep thats right but trouble is the other 1.6% of results at 80 or 243 unit losses void any gains ;(