Birds of a Feather

[keel44]

Kattila,
    When you say "Anytime you lose all 3, you raise +2 after every NET loss hereafter" do you mean to raise +2 on the very next spin or do you mean to raise +2 on all of the spins that have a net loss until the next reset?
     Also on your sample in reply #2 you had 4 combinations that had 2 spins each.  In this instance you left out the "B" since you can't bet R & B at the same time.  How do you decide which one to leave out?
Thanks,
Dennis

Yes you DO raise the stakes +2 immediately after the -3 loss and every NET loss thereafter




You must look at all the combination's to see which 3 even chances are going to be the best to bet on.  Sometimes there will be a tie between 2 opposing even chances.  You can either just pick 1 or leave that even chance out all together.



KEEL

[dennisbelle]

Yes you DO raise the stakes +2 immediately after the -3 loss and every NET loss thereafter




You must look at all the combination's to see which 3 even chances are going to be the best to bet on.  Sometimes there will be a tie between 2 opposing even chances.  You can either just pick 1 or leave that even chance out all together.


Thanks Keel (Not Kattila:))

[ewarwoowar]

5 more sessions, taken randomly from live consecutive spins i've recorded at dublinbet.

session 1:
number group LBE
spins 1
profit 31 units

session 2:
number group HBE
spins 3
profit 21 units

session 3:
number group HRO
spins 1
profit 31 units

session 4:
number group LRE
spins 7    *here i took a test sample of 20 spins. at 16, the results were pretty equal*
profit 8 units 

session 5:
number group HBO
spins 9
profit 28 units

[GLC]

5 more sessions, taken randomly from live consecutive spins i've recorded at dublinbet.

session 1:
number group LBE
spins 1
profit 31 units

session 2:
number group HBE
spins 3
profit 21 units

session 3:
number group HRO
spins 1
profit 31 units

session 4:
number group LRE
spins 7    *here I took a test sample of 20 spins. at 16, the results were pretty equal*
profit 8 units  

session 5:
number group HBO
spins 9
profit 28 units

I like it EWAR,

This is easy to test and it looks promising.

11 more sessions:  Tweaked it after the 1st session to only tracking for 13 spins that way I can't have a tie so I always bet either 4 or 5 numbers.  We could track longer if we thought it would make a difference.

1 Session:
Betting on LO because R/B tied
9 numbers bet each spin
Hit on 4th spin
Won 27 units
20 spins total counting tracking

2 Session:
Bet HER
4 numbers
Hit 14th spin
+20
27 spins total (Began tracking for only 13 spins here)

3 Session
Bet LOR
5 #s
5th spin
+11
18 spins total

4 Session
Bet HOB
4 #s
4th spin
+20
17 spins total

5 Session
LER
4 #s
5th spin
+16
18 spins total

6 Session
HOR
5 #s
2nd spin
+26
15 spins total

7 Session
LEB
5 #s
11th spin
+18
24 spins total

8 Session
HOR
4 #s
13th spin
+32
26 spins total

9 Session
HEB
5 #s
2nd spin
+26
15 spins total

10 Session
LEB
5 #s
14th spin (this is my highest drawdown -155 units before hit )
+25
27 spins total

11 Session
LOR
5 #s
7th spin
+32
20 spins total

+233 units in 227 total spins including tracking.  That's over 1 unit win per spin and almost 3 units won per bet placed.  I have arbitrairily selected a stop-loss of 500 units.  So far I haven't even gotten close.  We all know there will be losses which will bring the units won per spin down considerably.

I'll keep posting and we'll see what happens.

EWAR, should we start a new topic so as not to muddy up Keel's topic?

George

[dennisbelle]

GLC and/or ewarwoowar
    What progression are you using while betting the numbers?
Dennis

[GLC]

GLC and/or ewarwoowar
    What progression are you using while betting the numbers?
Dennis

Dennis,

14 more sessions.  All winners.  Plus 273 units in 273 spins including tracking spins.  That puts me over my 500 unit stop loss in 25 games.  I can list each session as above if anyone finds that interesting enough for analysis or something.  I can tell you that I had 2 hits on the 14th bet and 1 on the 15 bet.  Most are around the 4th or 5th bet.

The progressions I use are:

For 4 numbers: 4 units (1 unit per number) 8 times, 8 units 4 xs, 12 units 3xs, 16 units 2xs, 20 units 2xs, 24, 28, 32, 36, 40, 44, 48 & 56 units all 1x.  27 Bets.  -480 units if you lose all 27 bets.  Win on a hit from 4 to 32 units.

For 5 numbers: 5 units per number 6 times, 10 units 3 xs, 15 units 2xs, 20 units 2xs, 25,30,35,40,45,50,60 & 70 units 1x.  21 bets.  -485 if you lose all 21 bets.  Win on a hit from 6 to 34 units.

Of course you can continue the progression further if you want to use a larger stop loss.  It's just a martingale type system for 4 or 5 numbers.

Cheers,

George

[jordan69]

Thanks for the idea man. 

Interesting system. 
Deserves more tests for sure. 
I like the EC'S :)

As always, we have to determine a realistic target win (not to greedy)
and a clear stop-loss. 
Cheers. 

Jordan69

Keel,

About your initial system, do u have some more good tests to
share with us ? It seems interesting with straight numbers but i would like
to know for EC's :)
I will begin my own tests asap.
Thanks !

Jordan69

[keel44]

I like the fact that we are having good results with straight up numbers.  The whole point of this system is to catch the trend going in our favor. 

I would suggest going for more than one hit.  Maybe we should flat bet the 4 or 5 numbers or maybe a slight progression.  I would say that my original idea can produce the same profitability as betting on straight up numbers if your only gonna go for 1 hit.

I have tested my original idea with my original rules only about 5 times.  I won about 20 units each time.  Then I quit.  All sessions were very easy.  My biggest amount I was down was about 20 units.


There could be a way to play both the straight up numbers and the 3 even chances at the same time.  There are countless ways to use this EXCELLENT bet selection.


All the best to everyone....KEEL       

[keel44]

Here I have an example of a real life scorecard I used:

H R - 5
H B - 5
H O - 4
H E - 6
L R - 2
L B - 4
L O - 1
L E - 5
R O - 2
R E - 5
B O - 3
B E - 6

These are the first 16 tracked spins.  I will now play Low, Red, Odd
Here are the next 16 spins plotted out:

H R - 5
H B - 3
H O - 5
H E - 3
L R - 5 +3 gain
L B - 3
L O - 2 +1 gain
L E - 6
R O - 5 +3 gain
R E - 5
B O - 2
B E - 4

This just shows the improvement from below average rate to average rate.  I can tell you that this session will produce a profit, but you might need more spins to win any substantial amount.

[GLC]

I like the fact that we are having good results with straight up numbers.  The whole point of this system is to catch the trend going in our favor. 

I would suggest going for more than one hit.  Maybe we should flat bet the 4 or 5 numbers or maybe a slight progression.  I would say that my original idea can produce the same profitability as betting on straight up numbers if your only gonna go for 1 hit.

I have tested my original idea with my original rules only about 5 times.  I won about 20 units each time.  Then I quit.  All sessions were very easy.  My biggest amount I was down was about 20 units.


There could be a way to play both the straight up numbers and the 3 even chances at the same time.  There are countless ways to use this EXCELLENT bet selection.


All the best to everyone....KEEL       

Keel,

The fact that this selection process prduces good results with both straight up numbers and also on the ECs is good.  Even though the straight up numbers are easy to test, I'm less likely to play it than the more conservative EC method.  I prefer the ECs because where I play, I can only bet from 1-25 for  a $1 unit.  I can play from $0.25 to $25 which is a 100 unit spread on the straight up numbers.  I will now start to test the original method and see how I like it.

Thanks for this excellent system.  We worked with Atlantis for a while on a similar system, but it was only on a single EC and it never resulted in a strategy that didn't have some devestating down turns.  Hopefully this method of play will overcome the downswings.  We'll see.

Regards,

George

[ewarwoowar]

hi guys, sorry been busy all evening.
the progression ive been using is:-
4 numbers - 11111112222233344556
5 numbers - 1111112223334556781011

although ive never had to go anywhere near the top end in my limited testing.

[GLC]

Rats,

I knew it had to happen.  I played another set of games and had a lost progression, -485 units.  That gives me the following standing.  Won 769 units, lost 485 units for a plus of 289 units.  Better than losing, but not so much for the amount of time invested for the win.

I went back and played all my session with a flat bet and ended up at +50 units.  Flat betting may be a better bet in the long haul because you don't have to contend with the large progression.  Or, betting on the ECs with Keel's bet method.  I tested betting on the ECs and did well until I hit a losing streak.  Was down -169 before started recovering.  Ran out of numbers and so ended the test at -116.

Let's keep testing.  It could still be a winner.

George

[keel44]

Oh I know it is still a winner.  Finding which way to bet with this selection is really key.  Here are some options that best fit the main theory of this strategy.


1.)  Flat bet the 4 or 5 key numbers for 20 spins.  Up or down -- track 16 spins again or use the spins you were betting on.  Set a win target and loss target for the session.

2.)   Track 16 spins.  Play all 3 even-chances for 16 spins.  Flat Bet except when you lose all 3, then raise stakes +1 on each.  Stay there until new profit.  Chart the 16 spins your betting on, and start a new game right where you left off for another 16 spins.  Also have a win/loss target.

3.)  Play the exact way on my first post.

4.)  Use 4 or 5 number progression.  Stop and re track after first hit.


I am sure there are more ways.  Just remember to not bet the same numbers for too long.  You should re track after 20-30 spins of betting.


**  I have tried strategy number 2 for a couple of times and I won 10 units each time.  Pretty much a flat bet.  I only raise when I lose all 3. 

I have never seen an occasion where the pairings that were behind not make an improvement for the next 20-30 spins.  And you don't even need a drastic improvement because you are covering 3 of them at the same time.

[ewarwoowar]

hi keel, for my part, i'll continue to test, using a 4 or 5 number progression for 20 spins.
that will be my stop loss.

as george said earlier up the thread, would you prefer it if this information went on a different thread, so this thread was kept for your method?

cheers.

[furple]

Hi Guys.

I've been following this thread and looks like you have a nice system going on here.

Here is a link  for a handy little progression tool. Maybe it will be of some use.

link:://:.loothog.com/Systems/prog.html