Forced win progression!

[GLC]

I don't think enough of the readers really appreciate the power of this little bet for double dozens.

For double dozens and double columns the line is 1-2-3-4-5-6-7-etc...

That means that since we are betting of two locations, our line is really 1-1; 2-2; 3-3; 4-4; 5-5; etc....

We just add 1 unit to both bets on a loss.  When we get a win, we continue to bet at the same unit amount on both dozens until we bet back to +1.  If we are down -3 units and our next bet is 6-6, we only bet 4-4 which will give us a +1 win. 

If we are down -3 units and our next bet is 3-3, we increase it to 4-4 so we can get +1 on the win.  We never increase our bet by more than 1 on each dozen to get to +1.  In other words if we are -5 and our next bet is 4-4 we don't increase to 6-6 so we can be at +1, we go ahead and bet the 4-4 and if we win, we will be at -1, so we bet 2-2 next to reach +1.

The thing that you're not noticing, and it's my intention to point it out to you, is that all you need to do is win 1 bet more than you lose to reach +1.

Since we have 2 chances to win our of 3 bets, winning 50% plus 1 is very easy to do.

For those of you who have given up on the dozen matrices, you might look at them again with this progression.  I've never really gotten into any trouble playing this way.

[GLC]

Here's an example.  It's worth a thousand words.  Right?


1-1   lose   -2
2-2   lose  -6
3-3   lose  -12
4-4   lose  -20
5-5   Win  -15
5-5   win  -10
5-5   lose  -20
6-6   lose  -32
7-7   win   -25
7-7   win   -18
7-7   win   -11
7-7   lose  -25
8-8   win  -17
8-8   win  -9
8-8   win  -1
2-2   win  +1


Reset to 1-1


I noticed that this progression took 2 wins more than losses.  That is pretty rare.
There is a maneuver that I want to point out that can add a small amount of safety to the progression.


I'm going to start with the 1st 8-8 bet in the above series:

8-8   win   -17
8-8   win   -9  (At this point we can see that if we win we will be at -1 and will have to win again at 2-2 to reach +1.  Instead of betting 8-8 and risking losing 16 units, we see that we have to bet a total of 10-10 in the next two bets to fully recover, so why not bet 5-5 twice.  That way if we are unlucky enough to lose the first bet, we will only lose 5-5=-10 units instead of 8-8=-16 units.  Then we can continue at 6-6 if we lose the first 5-5 bet.)
5-5    win   -4
5-5    win   +1


Re-set to 1-1.


As with all progressions, we need to have a series of wins or a cluster of high wins vs losses to recover after having more than expected losses in a series.


You will notice in the above example that we had 6 losses and 2 wins in the first 8 bets.  This is almost reverse of what we should expect.  We were only down -32 units at our largest drawdown.


All in all, I think this is a pretty safe double dozen bet method.


G

[GLC]

For those of you who have given up on the dozen matrices, you might look at them again with this progression.  I've never really gotten into any trouble playing this way.

I take this statement back.  This progression will not work on most matrices double dozen bets becasue they are based on winning 1 out of 3 or 4.

This bet will work fine, I think on D&C.

[Jointu]

I take this statement back.  This progression will not work on most matrices double dozen bets becasue they are based on winning 1 out of 3 or 4.

This bet will work fine, I think on D&C.

Indeed mate.

ON D&C - it works - since even on worst sessions if you have a loss rate around 40-45 % it wins.

If you want to avoid long sessions- is better to start betting after a series of virtual losses on first virtual win until +1, than wait another series of virtual losses than bet after first virtual win until +1.

Is quite safe and with a high unit value you could get a constant profit dailly.

However, if you are in the whole is unlikely to recover and you will need high bets and a long serie of wins- this is the problem with double dozen- one loss requires two wins to get back into the game.

So a stop loss is required.

[Tomla021]

very interesting thread people

[GLC]

When playing this way, I usually test it by playing the 1 and 2 dozens only.


If I get a lot of 3rd dozen hits, it will put me down, but with a good bank, I can keep playing and a good run of 1st and 2nd dozen hits will pull me out.


You can play it by betting on the last 2 dozens to hit.


You can play it by betting on the dozens other than the last one to hit.


You can play it by betting the last and the oldest dozen to hit.


You can play it using D & C bet selection method.


I stated above that I didn't think it would work so well on the matrix bets because we're looking to hit 1 out of 3 or 4 bets, but in reality, it will probably work just as well on them because with this progression we're not trying to get a hit in a certain number of tries, we're just trying to get more wins than losses before we run out of bank.


With a 2 to 1 win ratio, that should be pretty doable more than 99% of the time.


That less than 1% chance of hitting more losses than wins for a long enough time to wipe out our bank, is the reason that we need to set a stop-loss.


Pick your own stop-loss.  I like the range of 300 units.  The higher you make it, the less often you will reach it.  Use Winkel's 10,000 units and you can probably play the rest of your life and never hit it.  Of course if you do, it's 10,000 units out the door.  Se la vi!


Cheers,


George


P.S.  By the way, I'm getting ready to post another double dozen progression that's very similar to another one I posted a few months back.  I think it's better so I want to get it down on paper for posterity's sake.

[Chrisbis]

If your talking 2 Dozens play, just take at look at this guys 2 Dozens performance. Outstanding!

Third Day of Play

Almost 10minutes of cool, sure footed 2Dozens play, and a good profit to boot!
What the system is, I have not found out yet!
If the originator is a member or Guest here, please get in touch! 

I have registered at this site, and confirmed my email registration.
link:://great-system-review.blogspot.com/

Nothing directly for sale here, but some very interesting stuff that I was 'Pointed' towards! 

@GLC and all interested Parties, watch this system play, and lets see if 10 minutes can reveal what system/sequence this player is following! ?!

I'm certain we can break the code George! (and others)

[GLC]

Chris,


I have watched the beginning of the video.  He is betting a standard double dozen martingale starting with $15 bets.  If you watch the wins, they are C15 or C45 or C135.  I didn't watch long enough to see if he goes to the 4th or 5th steps.


He seems to be betting mostly on 1-2 and 2-3.  Rarely does he bet on 1-3.  I can't see any rhyme or reason for his bet selection, but I notice that he isn't really hitting a higher win to loss ratio than normal. 


My first impression is that this video could have been made by you.  Just pick 2 dozens at random and play a marty and choose 10 minutes that didn't result in 6 or 7 losses in a row.  Put it on the internet and sell your system to one of those suckers that are born every minute with a money back guarantee that you never honor.  Any you're in the chips.


Of course, no one that frequents this forum would ever fall for such an obvious rip-off.


That's what I think without further proof.  Remember that TurgoGenius posted a double dozen system using the marty where he bet against the last 4 dozens hitting in the exact same pattern.  He was using $5 bets and won thousands of dollars with his demonstrations from real spins.  Eventually it will have losses, but it can win a lot of money between losses or it can hit a lot of losses close together.  I doubt that we'll every see those runs posted by a system seller.


I could be wrong!


G

[GLC]

If we really wanted to, we could write down every bet he makes, where he puts his bets, the numbers spun etc... and probably figure out what his bet selection method is.


I wrote down the 1st 18 bets, but can't really see a pattern.  It can be quite complicated to work backwards.  I don't know if it's worth the effort.  I don't really have enough time to invest since I don't think it's a long term winner anyway.


Even with a really good bet selection method, you will still lose runs using a martingale.

[Chrisbis]

Ok George.
Thanx.

When I get some time, I will reverse engineer it, and see if I can figure out the bet selection.

BTW... I didn't make it.

But someone unknown to me, did point me towards it.
Advertising I feel.
And as they say, any publicity is good publicity!!

Cheers George for spent a few moments of Ur time on it.
We will discuss at another time.

[Dutchy]

GLC,
       If you used your method of betting doubles on John Legends methods would it improve the results?

[GLC]

GLC,
       If you used your method of betting doubles on John Legends methods would it improve the results?

Dutchy,  I haven't tested this betting method against the matrices.  I'm a little hesitant to say yes because we are playing for a win within 3 or maybe 4 bets.  If you win once every 3 or 4 times with this system you will not be ahead because the progression is too slow.  This progression works best when you expect to win every bet.

Let's say you are playing the Slide or Reverse Slide.  If you Lose and then Win, you will be even.  If you Lose, Lose and then Win you will still be at -3.  With the marty, you would be at +1.  With this progression, if you Lose, Lose and Win, Win you will be at +1.  With the marty you would be at +1 and +1 or +2.

This progression doesn't do as well if you are getting 2 or 3 losses followed by a win but it also doesn't tank if you get 5 losses in a row.  If you think your hit rate in the 1st 2 bets is very high then this method will work.  You will have to continue the progression beyond the 3 or 4 bets for each Slide.  In other words let's say you wait until you get the 1st 4 spots on the Slide, that means you have 3 bets to get a win.  With this system, you may lose the next 3 bets, but you continue the progression to the next Slide formation.  If you happen to get a win on the 1st bet on the next 2 slide formations, you will be at +1.

In the above example, you played through 3 games before reaching a new high.  Safer but slower.

Test it and see what you think.

GLC

[woods101]

Hi GLC,


Would this work on CODE 4 played DC style then by playing every betting opportunity?


It seems to win a lot more than it loses?


Woods

[GLC]

Hi GLC,


Would this work on CODE 4 played DC style then by playing every betting opportunity?


It seems to win a lot more than it loses?


Woods

The more I think about it, the more I believe that this progression will do just fine on any double dozen or double column bet selection.


Like I said, it does very well when I just play the 1st and 2nd dozen exclusively.  The same for dozens 2 & 3 or dozens 1 & 3.


It shouldn't make any difference if you play every spin or  use triggers and only bet sporadically.  It's really the progression and your money management that makes the difference.  We're just trying to win 1 or 2 more than 50% to reach a new high.


Let's take JL's record for playing Code 4.  He plays 1400 games.  Half of the time he wins on the first bet.  Another 418 times he wins on the 2nd bet.  That means he won 1121 times on the 1st or 2nd bet.  Only 279 times did he have to go beyond 2 bets before getting a win.  Now there's no way to know what his maximum drawdown was, but with 1350 games winning on the 1st, 2nd or 3rd bet, it stands to reason that he wouldn't have had to go too deep in the hole before pulling out to a new high.


I doubt that this forced win progression would have won as many units as JL did but I'm pretty sure we'd have won close with little fear of busting our progression.


All I can say is for those of you who like the matrix systems, test this to see if it's comparable to the standard martingale.


GLC

[catalyst]

I doubt that this forced win progression would have won as many units as JL did but I'm pretty sure we'd have won close with little fear of busting our progression.


All I can say is for those of you who like the matrix systems, test this to see if it's comparable to the standard martingale.

GLC

dear George
JL's matrices uses standard martingale for maximum 3/4 steps and strikerates are very high. if we can start this progression with tweaking after loosing 2 or 3 or 4 martingale steps, any possibility to defend ourselves against annihilation?

thanks
catalyst