Forced win progression!

[GLC]

dear George
JL's matrices uses standard martingale for maximum 3/4 steps and strikerates are very high. if we can start this progression with tweaking after losing 2 or 3 or 4 martingale steps, any possibility to defend ourselves against annihilation?

thanks
catalyst

I don't see why not.  Remember some of my other progressions for even chances start with 1-2-4 and sometimes even 1-2-4-8 and then we go into double and triple parlays for the rest of the progression.


If you lose 1-1; 3-3; and 9-9  you will be down 26 units which is a little less than losing 1-1; 2-2; 3-3; 4-4 and 5-5  in my progression.  You could start my progression with 5-5 and with a win on the 1st bet and the parlay, you will recover 15 units.  Then drop to 4-4 which recovers 12 units if both bets win and you're at +1.  Of course that means you have to win 4 times in a row.


You have to weight this against losing 26 with a 3 step loss on the martingale or 80 on a 4 step loss.  I can't really say which is the safer bet in the long run.  With my progression you don't climb in bet sizes so quickly, but you may gradually climb until you reach your personal stop loss which to give you more stability should be fairly high.


For this progression to be really safe, you probably need to be willing to set a 300-500 unit stop loss or more and expect to not reach it that often.  Or you might decide to set a 100 unit stop loss which you will reach more often.  As with all these progressions, you have to test different scenarios to see which fits your playing style.


Until someone can report a winning record like JL does, it's all a guess which is best.


G

[Anthony]

I have no idea why more people aren't posting about this....

This looks amazing and I'm going to test it out this coming weekend. I think I will start with a 100 unit stop loss and see how that goes. Once I build up my bankroll from that point I'll probably do 200 and then gradually get it up to 500 units. I think with 1000 unit stop loss you'd probably hardly ever reach it.

[GLC]

I have no idea why more people aren't posting about this....

This looks amazing and I'm going to test it out this coming weekend. I think I will start with a 100 unit stop-loss and see how that goes. Once I build up my bankroll from that point I'll probably do 200 and then gradually get it up to 500 units. I think with 1000 unit stop-loss you'd probably hardly ever reach it.

Good luck Tony.  Sounds like you're going to use caution until it proves itself.  Remember some of Mr. Ore's charts.  There's some pretty deep cracks in the pavement.

LoL,

GLC

P.S.  I think people aren't that interested in this because it does have some bid draw downs on occasion and folks are looking for the magic bullet which this ain't.

[Anthony]

You're right, but using double dozens how many times are you going to go long periods of time and remain under 50 percent? I'm guessing not that many. With the right approach on double dozens I'm willing to bet I can squeeze out a few units.

[GLC]

Good luck Anthony.  Let us know how it goes.

[jarabo002]

I've been testing the system proposed by GLC on his first post for two dozen, that is, increasing the bet by one unit each location when appears the figures WL or LW.

And been operated very well, but there is the same old problem, the drawdons. Perhaps, if we find a way to limit them, together with a large bankroll, we will find a quite effective method that could give many gains.

Maybe it must work well betting in 5 lines too.

Any ideas? GLC?

[Willie]

Very interesting post n comments!

[RouletteGhost]

indeed willie

GLC is a great man

some crazy progressions but a good guy who likes to help

he has had some very very good ideas

betting on 2 dozens at the same time and adding one unit to each until in profit is something i have thought about

[BellagioOwner]

I take this statement back.  This progression will not work on most matrices double dozen bets becasue they are based on winning 1 out of 3 or 4.

I'm sorry but what's matrices double dozen bets?  Is it any kind of system on the thread?

I love this approach so far. I don't know what matrices are and how are played but betting on 2 dozens as you stated with 11-22-33 progression  is so nice and safe so far. I will keep testing it. 

Needing a 50% (+1) win ratio  on a 66,6 % win chance bet and with such slow progression and stop limit looks great. 

So.  About stop limit?  Should we say that we reach  -100 bankroll we stop progression and restart hoping  we will be in front on average after many sessions?  Looks plausible. 

Looks great so far.  If I find anything important to improve the system I will post it here.  I hope this thread won't die soon enough.  It's very good stuff

PS: Any idea why there are times that +2 wins is needed instead of +1?  I don't see why since wins and bet increases are steady.  Will we ever have to reach  +3 or even +4 wins?

[RouletteGhost]

Iboba i think his name was. Or flatino. Same person?

RIP


In regards to betting 2 dozens at once he said he did very well with the gr8 progression

Gr8player gets a lot of slack on the baccarat forum but what else is new on these forums

The gr8 progression

1 1 1 1 1
2 2 2 2 2
3 3 3 3 3
4 4 4 4 4
5 5 5 5 5

He made it for bacc but flatino used it on double dozens

How it works is you bet 2 dozens at 1 unit each for 5 spins. If up stay at 1 unit

If down go to 2 unis. At any point you reach a high back to 1 unit. If down after 5 spins move up to 3 unit level

I think he stretched it to 7

1 1 1 1 1 1 1
2 2 2 2 2 2 2
3 3 3 3 3 3 3
4 4 4 4 4 4 4
5 5 5 5 5 5 5

im not advocating this just being a messenger

With a good double dozen bet selection it may be good. Test test test

[Turner]

Iboba i think his name was. Or flatino. Same person?

Yep...and Vile....in here too

Real name was Ivica or Iveca. Was Croatian

[BellagioOwner]

I noticed that this progression took 2 wins more than losses.  That is pretty rare.

Since we have 2 chances to win our of 3 bets, winning 50% plus 1 is very easy to do.

Any idea why there are times that +2 wins is needed instead of +1?  I don't see why since wins and bet increases are steady.  Will we ever have to reach  +3 or even +4 wins?

It's not rare or steady.  I just noticed it's proportional...  the longer we have to stay into the progression the more wins we will need above 50%. Not only 1 or rare 2. I finished a testing with 32 spins into the progression (19 wins/13 losses ). I ended needing more than just 1 win over my losses to be in positive BR.  I needed 6 wins more than the 50%.  So instead of 50%+1 win that we think it is I needed  59,3% win rate (19/32 spins) on a 66,6% win chance bet (2dozens). This of course is still very good percentage but nowhere near the 50%+1 win.  So the more spins the probability screws us the more wins we still need. 

In a progression needing 11 spins I needed +1 win
In a progression needing 16 spins I needed
+2 wins
In a progression needing 32 spins I needed  +6 wins
etc..

You better hope not to stay long in a progression as the odds are catching us up