probably the most simple column target bet of all

[Chrisbis]

Interesting little idea You have here 6th.

I played it with reduced BR exposure, by playing the 6 'Down-The-Table' Splits, using 0.10 chip base value, instead of 1.00 on a Column.
That way, for an extra 0.10 I was able to cover Zero (Our Green Friend) with either a direct Inside Zero bet, or a Split/3 number/4 number bet with the 1,2,3 Low numbers.
Depends if 1,2 or 3 was already showing on the Marquee, and especially relevant if 1,2 or 3 had repeated already!
0.60 spend on the 6 splits, still pays out at the 3:1 ratio, so its the same % as a Column bet return.
At my low risk end, it shortens BR exposure!

It looks like it win/loses in exactly the same way as any Dozen/Column system.
Be that DL, DBL,DL2L
[reveal]DL=Decision Last
DBL=Decision Before Last
DB2L=Decision Before 2nd Last[/reveal]

Good luck to U though Mr Landscape Gardener.......

The Felt presentation feature does not appear to work anymore, or else I would have shown U, and your visitors, what the 'Down-The-Table' splits bet looked like.
Shame! You know I'm fond of my 'Features'. 
Cheers Mark

[6th-sense]

hi chris i usually would agree with you but the usual column dozen systems rely on the dozen or column results this doesn,t...how many times you lose to a dozen or column sleeping 20 spins or more?
a lot more than this system without a doubt vundrosa clocked maybe 3 to 5 losses at an 18th win and 1 at 20?  out of 10k spins....other doz or col systems would not compare to this loss ratio...originally i started just flat betting the 2 columns and it does hold out very well no big losses whatsoever..so i tried progression on the target column never went past 15th step but vundrosa has tested more spins than me in such a short time...but still it looks very positive.

[vundarosa]

ok thanks vundrosa and a quick reply 10,000 spins is a lot of spins in the file to test and considering i only put it on today you,ve done really well could you help me out by giving me the program you used to test it? as i said i can,t code and it would be really helpful and again thanks for your time..i don't think i could go through 10 000 spins in a few hours by hand so the program would be a great help thanks..plus where did the spins come from can you remember as it would be great to have both program and file source thanks in advance

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hi 6th sense...

what I did was input 10k in a excel file, put in some "IF" commands and look at winning/ losing streaks... in the file I was did not bother too much with the little variations you have, as when a zero occurs or when a number repeats, I just looked at the losing streaks. wherever I saw a long losing streak I then manually edited the losing streak count...so you'll see that not all losing streak counts are accurate but most should be, specially where there are long losing streaks of 15-18 losing bets

btw, if you're ignoring the zero for your next bet calculations, waiting for any other number before calculating where to bet next, the longest losing streak would then be 20 19...not that it makes a big difference, just mentioning it because it’s right at the beginning of the file.

vundarosa

[vundarosa]

hi chris i usually would agree with you but the usual column dozen systems rely on the dozen or column results this doesn't...how many times you lose to a dozen or column sleeping 20 spins or more?
a lot more than this system without a doubt vundrosa clocked maybe 3 to 5 losses at an 18th win and 1 at 20?  out of 10k spins....other doz or col systems would not compare to this loss ratio...originally i started just flat betting the 2 columns and it does hold out very well no big losses whatsoever..so i tried progression on the target column never went past 15th step but vundrosa has tested more spins than me in such a short time...but still it looks very positive.

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will have a look at the longest winning streaks....you might have something brewing here

vundarosa

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*8 -1x col 3 hit 10 consecutive times
*6 -over 6x (stopped counting)

vundarosa

[6th-sense]

hi vundrosa i don,t understand the last part?  thanks for being really helpful could you explain how i could use the file myself? so i could put numbers in and run it automatically? i think its a fantastic tool...

[Chrisbis]

I truly hope my initial impression is wrong.........completely wrong..........and U turn out to have a half decent system.

Can I just ask...... U stated U were betting on TWO Columns...... ... You are now just betting on the One
"Sum" Column aren't U?
("Sum" = the resultant value when U take the numerical value of the DBL from the DL)
( DBL= 32, DL =17 Therefore, 32-17= 15 = Column 3(or Column C))

[reveal]
Just in case there are those who say it 17-32 = -15..........U just ignor the Minus indicator... its the same Numerical value)

Here's the Now fixed Felt Presentation for those who wanted to see bet.
[felt]
1@C3
[/felt]
[/reveal]

[vundarosa]

hi vundrosa i don't understand the last part?  thanks for being really helpful could you explain how i could use the file myself? so i could put numbers in and run it automatically? i think its a fantastic tool...

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that was the longest winning streaks if played the way you've first outlined it, betting a single collumn.
So the longest winning streak was 8 where col 3 repeated for 10 spins. The longest winning streaks after that have all been 6 won bets:

*8 -1x where col 3 hit 10 consecutive times, which as per your method a show of 2 consecutive numbers in of the same col will have you bet col 3....
*6 -over 6x (stopped counting after seeing 6 bunches with 6 consecutive winnning bets)

Mind you that this is only a 10k spins test and might in no way be representative of how this would do in the long run.

vundarosa

[6th-sense]

pretty interesting vundrosa and again thanks for your time..could you possibly show me how to use the tool so i can do a lot more testing myself? would really appreciate it..if there are certain limits to the streaks could be very useful thanks

[vundarosa]

pretty interesting vundrosa and again thanks for your time..could you possibly show me how to use the tool so i can do a lot more testing myself? would really appreciate it..if there are certain limits to the streaks could be very useful thanks

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if you want to have a good idea of how this holds, you'd have to test it against a larger spins sample...the excel sheet is a crude one...delete the numbers from first col and type in your own numbers. col d shows which col to bet next and col I the col of the number that came out. do rembember to stretch the formulas from row 4 all the way down to where you want as i've deleted the formulas in some cells.

vundarosa

[vundarosa]

Testing betting only if the outcome is positive and ignoring the zero for next bet (i.e wait for another number)

10k spin test (meager i know!):

Longest Losing streaks:
*13 consecutive losing bets -- 2x
*14 consecutive losing bets -- 2x
*15 consecutive losing bets -- 2x

back to the test lab

vundarosa

[vundarosa]

Testing betting only if the outcome is positive and ignoring the zero for next bet (i.e wait for another number)

10k spin test (meager i know!):

Longest Losing streaks:
*13 consecutive losing bets -- 2x
*14 consecutive losing bets -- 2x
*15 consecutive losing bets -- 2x

back to the test lab

vundarosa

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50k spin test :

Longest Losing streaks:
*13 consecutive losing bets -- 12x
*14 consecutive losing bets -- 8x
*15 consecutive losing bets -- 8x
*16 consecutive losing bets -- 4x
*17 consecutive losing bets -- 2x
*18 consecutive losing bets -- 3x
*22 consecutive losing bets -- 2x

as expected when testing over a larger sample....
are this stats starting to look similar to other single doz/col bets?

vundarosa

[6th-sense]

hi vundrosa i,m still trying to figure out how to use the excell sheet arghhh ...i don,t like to keep aking you.obviously you have a copy and paste feature.any chance i could have the 50k spin sheet as you have done it and also as the original way i was playing it?
is it the same as a normal col -doz system? i still don,t think so..it only went to the 22nd bet twice i don,t think you could say the same about others.
it would be interesting to know how many actual wins we get out of this.if for example we use this progression
   
2) Bet: $ 1 on 1 spots. Profit on a Win: $ 1 Bankroll Needed: $2
3) Bet: $ 2 on 1 spots. Profit on a Win: $ 2 Bankroll Needed: $4
4) Bet: $ 3 on 1 spots. Profit on a Win: $ 2 Bankroll Needed: $7
5) Bet: $ 4 on 1 spots. Profit on a Win: $ 1 Bankroll Needed: $11
6) Bet: $ 6 on 1 spots. Profit on a Win: $ 1 Bankroll Needed: $17
7) Bet: $ 9 on 1 spots. Profit on a Win: $ 1 Bankroll Needed: $26
Bet: $ 14 on 1 spots. Profit on a Win: $ 2 Bankroll Needed: $40
9) Bet: $ 21 on 1 spots. Profit on a Win: $ 2 Bankroll Needed: $61
10) Bet: $ 31 on 1 spots. Profit on a Win: $ 1 Bankroll Needed: $92
11) Bet: $ 47 on 1 spots. Profit on a Win: $ 2 Bankroll Needed: $139
12) Bet: $ 70 on 1 spots. Profit on a Win: $ 1 Bankroll Needed: $209
13) Bet: $ 105 on 1 spots. Profit on a Win: $ 1 Bankroll Needed: $314
14) Bet: $ 158 on 1 spots. Profit on a Win: $ 2 Bankroll Needed: $472
15) Bet: $ 237 on 1 spots. Profit on a Win: $ 2 Bankroll Needed: $709

and took the loss on the 16th spin which would be 709 units x 11 = 7799

  sounds a lot but half the bets we do would win 2 units. so out of 50k spins -
16 consecutive losing bets -- 4x =64 spins
*17 consecutive losing bets -- 2x =34 spins
*18 consecutive losing bets -- 3x = 54 spins
*22 consecutive losing bets -- 2x =44 spins
                                       total = 196 spins

50 k minus 196 losing spins leaves 49804 spins to get our wins from

out of these remaining spins it would be intersting to see how many qualifying bets we get ?
even if we only get the same as the losses which would be 7799 bets we would still be way up in profit as nearly half the bets win 2 units.pretty intersting stuff thanks for your time and effort vundrosa   

[vundarosa]

hi vundrosa I'm still trying to figure out how to use the excell sheet arghhh ...i don't like to keep aking you.obviously you have a copy and paste feature.any chance i could have the 50k spin sheet as you have done it and also as the original way i was playing it?
is it the same as a normal col -doz system? i still don't think so..it only went to the 22nd bet twice i don't think you could say the same about others.
it would be interesting to know how many actual wins we get out of this.if for example we use this progression
   
2) Bet: $ 1 on 1 spots. Profit on a Win: $ 1 Bankroll Needed: $2
3) Bet: $ 2 on 1 spots. Profit on a Win: $ 2 Bankroll Needed: $4
4) Bet: $ 3 on 1 spots. Profit on a Win: $ 2 Bankroll Needed: $7
5) Bet: $ 4 on 1 spots. Profit on a Win: $ 1 Bankroll Needed: $11
6) Bet: $ 6 on 1 spots. Profit on a Win: $ 1 Bankroll Needed: $17
7) Bet: $ 9 on 1 spots. Profit on a Win: $ 1 Bankroll Needed: $26
Bet: $ 14 on 1 spots. Profit on a Win: $ 2 Bankroll Needed: $40
9) Bet: $ 21 on 1 spots. Profit on a Win: $ 2 Bankroll Needed: $61
10) Bet: $ 31 on 1 spots. Profit on a Win: $ 1 Bankroll Needed: $92
11) Bet: $ 47 on 1 spots. Profit on a Win: $ 2 Bankroll Needed: $139
12) Bet: $ 70 on 1 spots. Profit on a Win: $ 1 Bankroll Needed: $209
13) Bet: $ 105 on 1 spots. Profit on a Win: $ 1 Bankroll Needed: $314
14) Bet: $ 158 on 1 spots. Profit on a Win: $ 2 Bankroll Needed: $472
15) Bet: $ 237 on 1 spots. Profit on a Win: $ 2 Bankroll Needed: $709

and took the loss on the 16th spin which would be 709 units x 11 = 7799

  sounds a lot but half the bets we do would win 2 units. so out of 50k spins -
16 consecutive losing bets -- 4x =64 spins
*17 consecutive losing bets -- 2x =34 spins
*18 consecutive losing bets -- 3x = 54 spins
*22 consecutive losing bets -- 2x =44 spins
                                       total = 196 spins

50 k minus 196 losing spins leaves 49804 spins to get our wins from

out of these remaining spins it would be interesting to see how many qualifying bets we get ?
even if we only get the same as the losses which would be 7799 bets we would still be way up in profit as nearly half the bets win 2 units.pretty interesting stuff thanks for your time and effort vundrosa   

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voila!
(again with some manual edit on longer losing streaks-->13 and upwards)
vundarosa

[6th-sense]

fantastic  vundrosa could i also if possible have it the original way too if thats possible..pretty interesting stuff and thanks again