Alabalah, CEH and Silversurfer

[Steve]

Alabalah was banned from this site as he was very clearly a scammer. I gave him every fair opportunity to justify his claims, but the line of questioning only revealed he is scamming people. If you want to ignore the warnings, go discuss with him at his forum. Any links to his forum here will be removed. I will not let any of my sites facillitate clear scamming.

CEH: same with this man. He is a sick person, and if you actually believe anything that man says, that is very unfortunate for you.

Silversurfer: this is a system seller. What he publishes would be fine if it was in the correct section. This is the third forum he has now spammed on so he and his posts have been removed. How much warning is enough?

None of these people will take the challenge at link:://:.genuinewinner.com/100k-challenge/ because they know their method is a scam. Yet they will claim to have the holy grail. Is it the first clue?

Very rarely should censorship be done. The exceptions are spam, and clear scams. When I say clear scams, I mean they are crystal clear, and I've given careful thought to it. Some people may not agree with censorship of ceh and al's material, and to that I say go discuss with these people directly. I'm doing what is best for everyone in general. Nevertheless I believe the majority of the forum will agree with me.

If you want to discuss scams and mislead more people, please do it on forum's like Al's. Again I will not sit and let my forums be used to scam people.

[Steve]

Also I've banned pratikpop and roulprofessional - I have good reason to believe they are the same person, possibly Alalabah. Same isp, same region, same material. That would explain why they promote Al's forum and praise him. In particularly pratikpop who claims Al's system changed his life.

Understand these people will keep coming back, under fake names. They are luring in victims. Why would a legitimate holy grail owner do this? The only way to stamp it out is to censor discussions that promote these scammers. Otherwise they will continue to use fake names.

Moderators, please assist in these matters.

[intermax]

Well Done, Steve

[MrJ]

"Moderators, please assist in these matters" >>> You got it.

Ken

[Steve]

I just checked some more information.

MEMBERS, IF SOMEONE IS OBVIOUSLY AL OR SOME OTHER RETURNING IDIOT, YOU NEED TO LET THE MODS KNOW.

I personally dont read the forum every day, so I am often out of touch of who is who and what they say. But today after reading some of it, I find members who had been banned numerous times, people like Al back under fake names and more. Everyone needs to help keep the forum clean of 'morons'. If the forum is cluttered with these people, everyone wastes time, and this isnt a fun and productive place.

To the repeat offenders: You will continue to be banned. Start your own forum and stick to it. If you spam here or just plain irritate people, you will be removed.

[MrJ]

We do have to make the definitions quite clear, correct?

No baiting......talking about how great a method is and not posting it.

I HATE testimonials of how great a method is, especially from a member with 5 posts.

Links of course.

etc. etc.

Ken

[Steve]

Ken, absolutely correct. Baiting/teasing is pointless and unproductive dribble that should not be tolerated.

Again the members need to communicate with the mods about any problems, then it is the mod's decision on what is best to do as I trust their judgement. If they are undecided, they can just ask me.

[ophis]

Also I've banned pratikpop and roulprofessional - I have good reason to believe they are the same person, possibly Alalabah. Same isp, same region, same material. That would explain why they promote Al's forum and praise him. In particularly pratikpop who claims Al's system changed his life.

Well I don't want to stand on anyone side because I'm just a coder but I can assure you that pratikpop is not albalaha.   

they are using completely different hardware.

[Chrisbis]

The 'Sub' terrainian memberships from the Indian Continent, have been suspect for some time..... and have been under close scruntiny.

On those, in the main, I agree.
I'm sorry to Pratikpop, that You have been fed a lot of lies.... I will explain.

CEH/RE if that what u mean.... goes without saying.
------------EDIT-------------- chrisbis
(It would appear, the combination of assuming CEH was RE was wrong at my end, and for that I apologise to forum & RE.  R.E. please make your posts clear, and less 'ambiguous'.  Cheers.)

On the subject of Silverside of Beef, (silversurfer).... I am not too sure, but people have direct access to his site, and if they choose to use it, its free will...... but I personally, thought he still had a point to prove.
I will bow, in this case, to your superior knowledge, and access to greater depth of information Steve.

Well done, on the Moderation. 

Can we now have a recruitment drive for some new moderators, who are ACTIVE, PLAUSIBLE and FORTHRIGHT in their duties. I fully respect the current Moderators in all they attempt to do, but shall next time, have less nut to crack with the SLEDGE hammer, and show a little more Accelerated Control by the incumbents.

No disrespect at all, but Thomas Grant needs to step down as a moderator.

I think Iggiv is learning the job well.
I think Bayes is masterful when in the house.
And I think 'OUR Ken', has all the attributes we are seeking, in good Moderation, we just need more of them, and greater hands on.
We obviously have a shortage of Mods her in this place.

can you sort that Steve please?

No Offence intended at Thomas Grant- The Professor of All things Roulette!

Signed- chrisbis/Chrisbis

[MrJ]

If someone starts a thread and says they have a great method, thats fine but PLEASE post EVERY rule for that method.....within 48 hours, I think thats fair. If its not yet posted after 48 hours, DELETE the thread, in my opinion.

Ken

[Steve]

The same area, isp etc is close enough to be suspicious. Then add raving testimonials about life changing systems, and it is over the line - enough to ban. It is not an exact science though - just best judgement. Different hardware can be the man has a linux laptop, and a pc desktop. That is not sufficient, in my opinion, to overcome the red flags.

Regarding Thomas, I haven't seen any reason why he would be removed as mod. If you know something I don't, please share it. Of course Thomas will have his say too.

Chris, would you like to be a mod too? You fit the requirements. To proceed, it would help to first see the initiation ritual when Iggiv became mod: Satanic Ritual--Scene from "Inside the Church of Satan"

You can at least know what to expect. We had to censor out the part with the goat though.

[Chrisbis]

Hells, bells, is that it?

I was expecting a Rain-Dear? LoL

I will consult me people, and they will no doubt get in touch with Ur people, and somewhere in the middle, we will have a great bash!

Tom, has done nothing....................................wrong.

I have great admiration for Tom, but posting has gone down, so has the frequency, and when we compare to the Former Australian representative..... Not as much 'Hands-on' action.

I just think the Job is not right choice for Tom, and i would rather see Tom posting Up some great stuff again.

We'll be in touch.

[ophis]

Different hardware can be the man has a linux laptop, and a pc desktop. That is not sufficient, in my opinion, to overcome the red flags.

Well your assumptions are justified, but im just saying that ME as THOSE bots CODER and authentication server administrator which have insight into who/on what/where/when/and how long are those bots using on everyday basis know that praktikop and albalaha are NOT the same person.

[MrJ]

I think Chris would be a great addition !!

Nothing wrong with TG, I'm sure the guy is busy as heck, I like him as a mod.

Ken

[Steve]

That may be the case ophis, but even their email addresses are very similar. But even with what you see with your admin area, it is not at all unreasonable for the same person to login with different computers. Even with what you have said, and I do consider it, there is still too much that points towards them being the same person.

Chris, reindeer are an option. Santa (Satan's butt buddy) has made many contributions, including taking the "christ" part from Xmas and making Xmas all about money, mwahaha. And you guessed it, reindeer and inherently evil. A life full of sin and being ONE OF US is a mouse click away...