Ball 24 plus with progression

[amk]

Welcome to the forum Bassie,

Sincerely,
Adrian

(inside joke, in Holland Bassie is a famous clown and Adrian is his friend.............)

[krukov]

Hi guys

I was trying another system this summer and i keep all the numbers from the sessions

I tried them today all 25 session with min of 80 numbers and max of 300 per session ( avg about 150 )

I tried them WITH stop-win/loss on 1000 units, and WITHOUT stop-win/loss on 1000 units

Results :
With stop-win/loss TOTAL : +5816 units
WITHOUT stop-win/loss TOTAL : +8097 units

keep in mind - the "without" sessions ends while there is not STOP RULE applied !!! Because i've played different system and i kept the other system stop rule , sometimes i have 6-7 numbers i have to play with 10-15 units per number and ... I have no numbers in the session. So my point is it is not good to make conclusions considering there is instant "strange" stop on the session ( no logical )

I hope you understand what i mean ( i'm not English ... )

I think that this system has potential and need a little bit of tuning.
I will try now the other types of betting that the program offers me.

A BIG THANKS TO MAD MAX

[krukov]

unfortunately i have a 1000 number session and i just found it and tested it WITHOUT any stop-win/loss.

Result is : -5046

Reslt WITH stop-win/loss on -/+ 1000:

-1040
-1104
-1086
1070
-1074
-1053
-1037
-1050
-1063
-1124
335

total : -8226

as far as i can tell now ( what gaps do i see in the system )

The idea is every hit to make us break even or better , isn't it ? - if so , this is not possible if you have to bet 5-6 numbers with 20+ chips

in this 1000 spins i saw something strange , very often there were no repetitions for avg 15-20 spins - which is very strange

it has to have some stop-loss on gambler's feeling ( when you feel like it/on personal decision i mean ) like if you go up and down up and down up and barely break even - i call it "the roulette is playing with you" , i suggest stop now - break even or a little bit behind/loss and wait 10 mins go smoke a cigarette or something then go back to play.

maybe some restrictions how many numbers we play - i noticed something like i have to play 9-10 numbers and they do not appear "in time" to make me profit. they appear after the disappear from the "24 list".At 1st i thought - bad luck - but hey it is 1000 spins ... long run ... this had to be the ultimate test. And on top of that we can't talk about "the influence of the observer" ( behodler - not sure how to say it in English ) - you know i mean quantum physics - because the numbers are already hit and i am just testing on them.

some changes on stop-win - maybe we should stop on +500 units or +200 units i don`t know
like the 20% profit rule. We play with 1000 and when we make 200 stop. ( just suggesting )


phew sorry for the big post. Does anyone else have any results and want to share them ?

[iggiv]

  Re: Ball 24 plus with progression by krukov   
 


unfortunately i have a 1000 number session and i just found it and tested it WITHOUT any stop-win/loss.

Result is : -5046

Reslt WITH stop-win/loss on -/+ 1000:

-1040
-1104
-1086
1070
-1074
-1053
-1037
-1050
-1063
-1124
335

total : -8226

as far as i can tell now ( what gaps do i see in the system )

The idea is every hit to make us break even or better , isn't it ? - if so , this is not possible if you have to bet 5-6 numbers with 20+ chips

in this 1000 spins i saw something strange , very often there were no repetitions for avg 15-20 spins - which is very strange

it has to have some stop-loss on gambler's feeling ( when you feel like it/on personal decision i mean ) like if you go up and down up and down up and barely break even - i call it "the roulette is playing with you" , i suggest stop now - break even or a little bit behind/loss and wait 10 mins go smoke a cigarette or something then go back to play.

maybe some restrictions how many numbers we play - i noticed something like i have to play 9-10 numbers and they do not appear "in time" to make me profit. they appear after the disappear from the "24 list".At 1st i thought - bad luck - but hey it is 1000 spins ... long run ... this had to be the ultimate test. And on top of that we can't talk about "the influence of the observer" ( behodler - not sure how to say it in English ) - you know i mean quantum physics - because the numbers are already hit and i am just testing on them.

some changes on stop-win - maybe we should stop on +500 units or +200 units i don`t know
like the 20% profit rule. We play with 1000 and when we make 200 stop. ( just suggesting )


phew sorry for the big post. Does anyone else have any results and want to share them ?

(this post by krukov was somehow deleted and i retrieved it from reported)

[MrJ]

I just received a notice (via email) that the prior post was reported.....why?

Ken

[iggiv]

because it was not in the thread

[iggiv]

another message from Krukov (looks like he has a trouble to post now)
.....

Hi guys

I was trying another system this summer and i keep all the numbers from the sessions

I tried them today all 25 session with min of 80 numbers and max of 300 per session ( avg about 150 )

I tried them WITH stop-win/loss on 1000 units, and WITHOUT stop-win/loss on 1000 units

Results :
With stop-win/loss TOTAL : +5816 units
WITHOUT stop-win/loss TOTAL : +8097 units

keep in mind - the "without" sessions ends while there is not STOP RULE applied !!! Because i've played different system and i kept the other system stop rule , sometimes i have 6-7 numbers i have to play with 10-15 units per number and ... I have no numbers in the session. So my point is it is not good to make conclusions considering there is instant "strange" stop on the session ( no logical )

I hope you understand what i mean ( i'm not English ... )

I think that this system has potential and need a little bit of tuning.
I will try now the other types of betting that the program offers me.

A BIG THANKS TO MAD MAX
.....

[Gordonline]

Hi all

First of all my thanks to Turnerfeck for an interesting strategy on trapping warm numbers and also for the excellent tracker that Mad Max has coded

I just wanted to let everyone know that I've done some detailed analysis on the different types of bet and progressions available, and I've found a way to minimise the inevitable big losses that can kill your BR

I've gone through over 7000 live wheel spins covering some 20 mammoth sessions of between 200 and 600 spin durations and the only progression I would reccomend is a mild lammy of increasing 1 unit after 6 consecutive losses if in negative balance and stay flat if i'n positive, although the occasional big loss appears of some 40 spins without a win the recovery is very powerful if you've got the nerve

The best way I would reccomend is to play flat and only bet 7 times (this is the average win rate after tracking every winning bet from my data) if a win doesn't appear play virtual until a win appears then jump on board and bet whatever the tracker currently displays for the next 7 spins and so on, this minimises the big draw downs and more often than not a run of wins come along to balance the scales.

I've also worked out  an average number of bets that the tracker lists and it is 5 which is what I worked my averages on to come up with a stable bet which produced a positive outcome on all sessions

Hope this helps and dont hesitate to ask any questions

Thanks again to Turnerfeck and Mad Max

Kind Regards
Gordon

[Wally Gator]

The best way I would reccomend is to play flat and only bet 7 times (this is the average win rate after tracking every winning bet from my data)

I've also worked out  an average number of bets that the tracker lists and it is 5 which is what I worked my averages on to come up with a stable bet which produced a positive outcome on all sessions

Hi Gordon,

Thanks so much for all your hard work.  I'm not sure I understand your references to 7 and 5 above.  Would you be willing to expound on your recommended play?  Are you saying play 5 numbers for 7 spins?


Appreciate your efforts.


WG

[Gordonline]

Hi Gordon,

Thanks so much for all your hard work.  I'm not sure I understand your references to 7 and 5 above.  Would you be willing to expound on your recommended play?  Are you saying play 5 numbers for 7 spins?


Appreciate your efforts.


WG

Hi WG


I came to the conclusion after analysing the data as follows


I converted all my sessions from Mad Max tracker into seperate Excel spreadsheets and then used the (average function formula) of every spin to come up with the average number of bets that the tracker lists for each spin (so 5 numbers appears to be the average although you might only have to bet between 2-7 numbers) depending on what the tracker lists


Also I ran a spin count in Excel after each hit or win, for example if it took 5 spins before a hit I would enter that data as a 5 and if it took 30 spins enter that as 30 and so on, my conclusion to this data was that the average hit would appear within 7.05 spins hence using 7


I created a chart of all the data using the number of spins, bets, etc and if you bet for 7 spins using flat bets it performs quite well and minimizes the big draw downs


Hope that makes sense, let me know if you want anymore info


Kind Regards
Gordon 

[Wally Gator]

Perfectly clear now.  Thanks so much.

By chance, do you have a formula for that "spin count" in excel?


Best, WG

[dannyfield]

hi guys

ive been reading on this forum for a few weeks now,some interesting stuff going on,i have been using this 24 plus progression for a couple of weeks with different types of progression,still trying to find the right one,would like to thank turnerfeck and mad max with the work they have put into this strategy,i enjoyed the write up gordon has posted which has also helped me as well.

just one question to gordon,if u win before your 7 spins do you still carry on as normal eg start again,or do you wait for another virtual win and then jump back in,as you do if you didnt hit,hope i make sense,look forward from hearing from you again

dannyfield

[Gordonline]

Hi Dannyfield

Thanks for your kind comments, yes if a win appears you carry on from the very next spin.

Another way of minimising the losses would be to play virtual for X amount of spins and jump on board after a couple of losing streaks as normally a couple of short win counts tend to follow

Hope that helps

Gordon

[Bassie the Clown]

Thanks Gordonline, for your research. Analyzing spins etc can be very timeconsuming, and I think you really have found something very usefull here. Thanks for that 
Let me get this straight.
Play the tracker for 7 spins, if no win then wait for a virtual win. After the virtual win you step back into the game, and play again for maximum 7 spins.
Do you suggest a continuoes flat bet? To be honest I tried a Alembert here, and had always a (small) winning. Often the tracker went over the max of 7 spins, and I jumped back in after the virtual win. For now, it seems to work 

[Gordonline]

Hi BC

During my analysing using a Lammy it performed very well but a long losing streak of 30-40 spins will kill the BR, I've seen it go to -3000+ units  hence the 7 spin approach, so flat betting I think is the way to go to achieve a small win percentage which is what we all want to achieve

I've not played for real money yet as I'm seeing how the flat bet 7 spin method performs on a long term basis but I will let you know on here

Kind Regards
Gordon