Happy Thanksgiving! 13 chances to win.

[GLC]

Here's a fun system that can also win some money.

It's played on even chances.  Since I'm posting it, who doesn't know that?

Use any bet selection method you like.  I prefer follow the last until losing 2 times which means, forgetting the zero, that you are in a chop pattern so switch to penultimate until 1 loss then back to follow the last.  When zero hits take the loss but don't interupt the pattern.

The bet progression is key here.  We're going to start with a 5 step martingale.  Okay, all you anti martingale punters just be patient.  It's not going to be as bad as you think.  Or maybe it will?

We start with this: 2-4-8-16-32.  What we are going to do is use money won from the casino to beef up our marty.  That means that every time we win we will add the won units to our line.  We will play until we reach 3-6-12-24-48.  That should take 13 wins, give or take a chip here and there, and we should be up about 31 units.

To do this, you will need 62 chips.  We're trying to win 31 chips.  (Of course, you can stop at any point you want)  I have been having pretty good luck playing for 2 wins.  I think you should have 184 chips you're willing to invest in 3 attempts.

We have to win 13 times to accomplish our mission, should we choose to take it.

1.  2-4-8-16-32
2.  2-4-8-16-34
3.  2-4-8-17-34
4.  2-4-8-18-35
5.  2-4-9-19-36
6.  2-5-10-20-37
7.  3-5-10-20-38
8.  3-5-10-21-40
9.  3-6-11-21-41
10. 3-6-12-22-42
11. 3-6-12-23-44
12. 3-6-12-24-45
13. 3-6-12-24-48

The above process is an attempt to try to always win on any loss.  There is at least one win on the 5 bet that results in a 1 unit loss.  No big deal.

We could also start increasing from the left to the right which is a more aggressive tact because we would either need to add additional chips or lose more if we lose in the latter bets in the beginning.  Since we are trying to win 13 times in a row.  Front loading it instead of end loading it may make more sense in the long run.

Finally, if you don't want to start with 2-4-8 etc..., you can start with 1-2-4-8-16.  It is a slower progression, but takes less investment.  If starting with 1 instead of 2, I recomment playing a 6 step marty which will compensate for the slower escalation.

This can lose abviously, since losing 5 times in a row isn't like the most remote possibility imaginable, so please, if you play this with real money, only play with money designated for entertainment pruposes.

Good Luck,

George

P.S.  If anyone posts anything in this topic that I don't think is positive or contributes to our knowledge or is a legitimate inquiry, as soon as I see it, it will be deleted with no explanations forthcoming.

[holymoly]

Nice one!
Happy thanksgiving!

[Nickmsi]

And a Happy Thanksgiving to you and the rest of the forum's USA members.

This looks like a "Mission Possible" and can't wait to try it but have to finish cooking for the family
dinner today.  I cook, my wife cleans up.  Can't beat that deal.

Have a great day.

Nick

[iggiv]

Happy thanksgiving George, and welcome back again!

i am glad u r back with your ideas

[Proofreaders2000]

Good to see you again GLC   

Happy Thanksgiving everyone

[GLC]

Here's an expansion of this idea.

Let's reduce our marty to a 3 step starting with 1-2-3.  Feel free to start at 1-2-4 if you wish.  (also 1-2-3-6 or 1-2-4-8)

We're going to have progression levels.

Win 6 or lose 6:

1-2-3
1-2-4
1-3-4
1-3-5
2-3-5
2-4-6

If we lose the above move to next level. 

Win or lose 12

2-4-6
2-4-8
3-5-8
3-5-11
4-6-11
4-8-12

If we lose at this level move to next level.

Win or lose 18

3-6-9
3-6-12
3-9-12
5-9-14
5-11-16
7-11-18

If we lose at this level move to next level

Win or lose 30

5-10-15
5-10-20
5-15-20
5-15-25
10-15-25
10-20-30

If we lose at this level move to next level.

Win or lose 48

8-16-24
8-20-28
10-22-32
13-24-37
16-28-44
16-32-48

As you can see we are using a mini marty with a fibo progression.

You can continue the pattern for as many levels as you wish.

This is an interesting idea.  Does it improve on any of hundreds of even chance systems?   

P.S.  I forget that Thanksgiving is a US holiday.  I'm sure everybody on this forum has plenty to be thankful for.  Thankfulness is a positive attribute.

[GLC]

It's late in the Mountain time zone so I know you're all asleep.  I thought I would post the 1-2-4 progression for you.  First, I'll explain what we're doing with a visual aide to give you a better understanding.


When we are betting even chances, and we are betting to win 1 out of 3 bets to move forward, here's what we're doing.


Let's start with R.  When we start with R we have 8 combinations.  Same thing when we start with B but I'll use R only to simplify.


R  RRR   W
R  RRB   W
R  RBR   W
R  RBB   W
R  BBB   LW
R  BBR   LW
R  BRB   LLW
R  BRR   LLL


Without considering zero, these are the only 8 possible combinations when starting with a Red.  We also have 8 more when we substitute the 1st Red with a Black.


So we win 7 of these combinations and lose 1 of them.  Including starting with Black also, we have 16 combinations and we lose 2 and win 14. 


R  BRR is the only 1 we Lose 3 times on.  And remember, we are playing follow the last until we lose 2 times in a row at which time we switch to betting the penultimate until 1 loss then back to follow the last.  With R  BRR  We bet for R, follow the last, and lose when B hits.  Then we bet for B (follow the last) and we lose when R hits.  Now we have lost 2 in a row so we bet the penultimate which is B and we get R, another loss.


If we say we would have won the last bet had we not switched to penultimate, you are correct.  The problem is we would have lost the one above it,  R  BRB.  We bet for R and lose when B comes up.  Then we bet for B and lose when R comes up.  Then we bet for R and lose when B comes up.


This illustrates a universal principle which is why this game is so hard to beat.  No matter what mechanical bet selection method we use here, we will always win 7 and lose 1.  I don't think you can keep from winning 7 or losing 1 as long as it's a mechanical system.


This principle adapted to each bet, is universal over all the roulette table.  We could set up a similar chart with the 3 dozen bets and show that any mechanical bet selection method will never reach 100% wins.  There will always be a sequence that our mechanical bet will lose on.


This is what creates the illusion that we can beat the game.  Because 12.5% of our 4 color sequences must result in a loss.  That means, not considering the zero, that the best we can hope for is to win 87.5% of our 4 color sequences with a mechanical bet.  That means that 87.5% of the time we are winning.  That makes us feel like we've found a winning system.  And most of the time we will have a winning system.  The problem is that we lose as much on that 1 loss as we won on the 7 wins.  And, unless you can play on non-zero roulette, the zero puts us in a negative expectation.


Having said the above, the only way we have to come out ahead is with total control of all the things we can control.  I won't list them.  They include stop loss, win target, don't drink and gamble etc... and just a tad bit of luck.  That's why I have often said that we should consider 10% (and that's optimistic) of our winnings to be real winnings.  The other 90% will be taken back by the casino sooner or later.  If you have no luck, all bets are off on these percentages.  And, for the math guys, these percentages are not hard facts, they are just numbers I use for psychological purposes so when payback time hits, we're expecting it and not caught off guard.


Okay, take a break from reading and I'll continue in the next post.

[GLC]

Okay, now I want to save you some time and list a 3 step progression based on a 1-2-4 marty.
And be aware that not every next step wins the same amount, so we may be adding another unit of our money.  In the long run this will make little if any difference.


1-2-4    + or - 7
1-2-5
1-3-5
2-3-5
2-4-6
2-4-8


2-4-8    + or - 14
2-4-10
3-5-10
3-6-12
4-7-13
4-8-16


3-6-12   + or - 21
3-7-14
3-8-16
5-9-17
5-11-21
6-12-24


5-10-20   + or - 35
5-10-25
5-15-25
10-15-25
10-20-30
10-20-40


8-16-32   + or - 56
8-16-40
8-24-40
16-24-40
16-32-48
16-32-64


13-26-52   + or - 91
13-26-65
13-39-65
26-39-65
26-52-78
26-52-104


21-42-84   + or - 147
21-42-105
21-63-105
42-63-105
42-84-131
42-84-173


Please be aware that with some of the triple bets, the 3rd bet only recovers the 1st 2 lost bets and when you win these bets, don't move to the next step of that level.  Replay that step until you win on the 1st or 2nd bet. 


Example:


5-10-20
5-10-25
5-15-25
10-15-25  Here we only recover the 10 and 15 units lost when we bet the 25 unit bet and win.  Instead of going on to 10-20-30, we must replay the 10-15-25 triple bet until we win on either the 10 unit bet or the 15 unit bet.  Then we can proceed.


These progressions are just models.  You can create your own to suit your playing style.


Oh yeah.  If you lose everything without winning even 1 unit you will lose 371 units.  To do that you would have to lose 21 times in a row.


Our objective is to win 6 times at a level before we lose 3 bets in a row.  Anytime we lose 3 bets in a row within a level, we have lost that level and must move on to the next level.  Whenever we complete at level, we drop back to the level that we need to win in order to reach a new high bank. Sometimes we may have to win and drop back a couple of levels 2 times to fully recover.


GLC

[GLC]

I just want to expand our chart one more step to show that no matter what mechanical betting system we use, we will always have 1 loss for the Red half of the chart and 1 loss for the Black half of the chart.  That 1 loss is our nemisis.

Above we looked at a 3 step bet and saw that we had 7 wins and 1 loss.
Using the same betting rules and bet progression but adding one more step, we get 16 possibilities of 4 bets.  We will win 15 and lose 1.

R  RRRR  W
R  RRRB  W
R  RRBR  W
R  RRBB  W
R  RBRR  W
R  RBBR  W
R  RBBB  W
R  RBRB  W
R  BBBB  - +
R  BBBR  - +
R  BBRB  - +
R  BBRR  - +
R  BRBB  - - +
R  BRRB  - - - -
R  BRRR  - - - +
R  BRBR  - - +

These are our 16 possibilities with only 1 loss on all 4 bets.  It's the R BRRB.  Our trigger is R so we bet follow the last and lose when B hits.  Now we bet follow the last and bet for B and lose when R hits.  Since we have had 2 losses in a row, we change to betting the penultimate and bet for B which is the 2nd before last and lose when R hits.  Our rules say we must return to betting follow the last after 1 loss while betting penultimate.  The last was R so we bet for a R and we lose when B hits.  That's a loss of all 4 attempts.

We win 1 unit every time we win even 1 of the 4 bets.  Therefore we win 15 units on the 15 sequences we win on and we lose 15 units on the 1 sequence we lose on because we are betting 1-2-4-8.

It doesn't matter how many steps we expand our chart to, we will always lose 1 time out of the chart and that 1 loss will balance out all our wins.  Then we have the zero which will hit every 37 spins to give us the notorious 2.7% dissadvantage.

The reason we use progressions is that we are trying to lose on small bets and win on larger bets.  That way, if we lose at 1-2-4-8, but we lose 15 units but if we increase our bet size after one or more losses we will win some of the time while we are betting 2-4-8-16 and we will come out ahead and can reset to 1-2-4-8 and repeat until we reach our win target.

That's the theory anyway.  It works per plan most of the time.  Why it doesn't work all the time is the subject of another post.

G

[lorna dune]

Welcome Back please dont leave again! I love your posts and look forward to your new ideas everyday. I love this forum but without you it's just not the same. Thanks for coming back. Happy Holidays to you and your family.

[ego]

My opinion is that i like the way you use different levels with marty and to certan degree accept loses.
I might copy similiar methods with does selection that i like.

Thanks for sharing.

How would you create one using two steps?

[GLC]

My opinion is that i like the way you use different levels with marty and to certan degree accept loses.
I might copy similiar methods with does selection that i like.

Thanks for sharing.

How would you create one using two steps?

Ego,  I actually got the idea from a two step approach presented in the Monte Carlo Anecdotes.  Follow this link and you can read about it:
link:://:.archive.org/stream/montecarloanecdo00bethiala#page/147/mode/1up

Enjoy,

George