Can't think of a good name system

[GLC]

This is a very solid and somewhat complicated system but I think it will be worth some time to learn it.

It is played on the dozens or columns, but can be adapted to the lines or streets.

It's somewhat of a grinder in that in my testings so far, it wins about 1 unit in 4-5bets.

It's a double dozen bet but has a little twist to it.

The progression is using Ego's idea of having a progression that recovers previous losses for the 1st few bets and then recovers less and less the more losses you have before a win.

Here's the progression and I'm not saying this is the best progression there is but until we can come up with a better one, this one ain't bad.

1-2-3-4-5-6-8-11-15-20-26-34-44.

The system requires that we keep a progression for each of the 3 dozens.

We will be betting on the last 2 dozens to hit.  I prefer this selection method because it keeps us betting on the hot dozens and if a dozen sleeps for a while we will be winning every bet while it sleeps.

We will start with 1 unit on all three dozens, but we will only bet 1-1 on the last 2 dozens to have hit.

Here's an actual session I played on my 0/00 airball machine today.  I will explain how I played and it should answer most of your questions.

# Spun  Doz 1   Doz 2  Doz 3
25                                       Doz 3 spins  No bet
33                                       Doz 3 spins  No bet
8                                         Doz 1 spins  Bet on doz 1&3 @ 1-1
23            -1      +1     -1       Doz 2 spins  We lose 2 because we were betting on doz 1&3 @ 1 unit each.
                2       1      2        We adjust the units on each dozen depending on whether that doz won or lost.  Since doz 1&3 lost, we increment their progression up 1 unit.  Since doz 2 won, we leave it at 1 unit.  Since doz 1&2 are the last 2 dozens to hit, we will be betting on them.  And we always bet the same amount on both dozens and that amount is the highest amount of the 2 dozens.  So in this case doz 1 has 2 units and doz 2 has only 1 unit so we bet 2 units on both dozens.

23            -2     +2     -2      this is the result after another 23 spins.  Doz 2 wins so we win 2 units putting us at even.  Since we are even we start tracking over with all 3 dozens at 1 unit.

That is an introduction to the system.  I will continue tomorrow when I have time. 

One of the strong points about this system is that since we bet the same amount on each dozen as the dozen of the 2 we're betting with the highest position in the progression, we can reduce the dozen that's losing the most with a win on either of the 2 dozens.  This may not sound that impressive, but so far it has been very impressive at keeping our bets from escalating.

Cheers,

GLC     

[GLC]

A few of the rules:
1.  Always bet on the last 2 dozens to hit.
2.  Increase bet size on a dozen per progression on each loss.
3.  Decrease bet size on a dozen after a win.
4.  Bet the amount of the largest dozen on each of the 2 dozens you are betting.
5.  Only bet the amount necessary to reach +1.
6.  Adjust the dozen that wasn't bet on per the above progression rules.
7.  If we reach even or +1, reset to 1 unit on all 3 dozens.

Rule #3:  I am considering the option of waiting until we win 2 times at a bet level before we decrease by 1 unit.  This helps us recover more quickly.  It also adds an element of risk in that if we lose we will be at a higher bet level.  I think the higher risk is worth it considering the high hit rate.

Rule #4 needs explaining.  Let's say that the last 2 dozens to hit were 2&3.  The amounts for our dozens are doz 1 = 3  doz 2 = 4 and doz 3 = 2.  Instead of betting 4 units on doz 2 and 2 units on doz 3 we will bet 4 units on both dozens.  Thus ignoring the 2 units on doz 3.  Whether we win or lose, both dozens are now dealt with as if they were at 4 units.  If we lost the bet we would increase both doz 2 & doz 3 to 5 units.  If we won our bet we would decrease both dozens to 3 units.

Here is a sequence in which we had a drawdown.  Our 1st bet is on dozens 2&3.

Spun #    Doz 1     Doz 2      Doz 3
                 1             1            1        These are our bets.  We are betting 2&3.
5              +1           -1           -1       The result is a loss thus -2.
                1              2            2         Our next bets.  We are now betting 1&3.
                2              2            2        Here we have adjusted Doz 1 to match doz 3.
13            -2            +2          -2       Doz 2 hits resulting in a loss.  -6
                 3             1            3        Our next bet.  Now betting on 1&2
                 3             3            3        Doz 2 adjusted to match doz 1.
25             -3           -3           +3       Doz 3 hits for a loss.  -12.
                  4            4             2        Our next bets.  We are betting doz 2&3.
                  4            4             4        Doz 3 adjusted to match doz 2.
36             -4           +4           +4       Doz 3 hits for a win.  -12+4=-8.
                  5             3            3        Our next bet.  Betting doz 2&3 still.
26             -5            +3          +3       Win.  -8+3=-5.

Sorry, but I keep getting interrupted.  Will continue later.

GLC   

[GLC]

25             -3           -3           +3       Doz 3 hits for a loss.  -12.
                  4            4             2        Our next bets.  We are betting doz 2&3.
                  4            4             4        Doz 3 adjusted to match doz 2.
36             -4           +4           +4       Doz 3 hits for a win.  -12+4=-8.
                  5             3            3        Our next bet.  Betting doz 2&3 still.
26             -5            +3          +3       Win.  -8+3=-5.

continuing:
# spun    Doz 1      Doz 2       Doz 3
                 6             2             2          Our next bets.  Betting doz 2&3
6              +6           -2            -2         Lose. -4-5=-9.
                  5            3             3         Our next bets.  Betting doz 1&3
                  5            3             5         Doz 3 adjusted to match doz 1
28              +5         -3           +5        Win.  -9+5=-4.
                  4            4            4          Our next bets.  Betting doz 1&3
2                +4         -4          +4         Win.  -4+4=0.
                   1           1             1         Our next bets reset because reached zero.

That's the system.  I must admit that it's a little different way of playing the double dozens but like I said, so far it's staying steady.  No big drawdowns yet.  I know that there will be some, but will they be too little too late to defeat us?

I think this could be a good progression to use with some of the double dozen bets on the matrix methods instead of betting the last 2 dozens to hit.

GLC

P.S.  Just because I couldn't think of a good name for the system doesn't mean it's not a good system.

[GLC]

Here's a spreadsheet with this system played to +30 units.

I am keeping track of each dozen according to +1 on a loss and -1 on a win.

I am betting the last 2 dozens to hit.

I am betting the highest amount on either of the dozens on both of the dozens no matter what position in the progression the dozen with the smaller amount has.  But if I lose, I adjust the both dozens according to how they should be.

Examine the spreadsheet and if you have any questions, just ask.

[GLC]

Another section from 3000 live spins I got from F_LAT_INO.

A couple of difficult session, but didn't get to -50 draw down before coming back to even or +1.

Played to +20, but it took a pretty long session.

94 spins which takes about 94 minutes on my airball machine.

Note that I played a new tweak.  I only adjusted the bet progression on the 2 dozens that I actually bet on.  If I didn't play the dozen, I just leave it where it was until I reset all three or it comes into play.  This makes it a safer system howbeit making it more of a grinder.

Still +20 units in 94 spins is about what I estimated the win rate to be.

Still seems to be a solid method.

It's a bear to test by hand.

GLC

[GLC]

Please be advised that I made 2 minor mistakes, 1 on each of my spreadsheets.  They have been corrected now.

Now some analysis of the spreadsheets. 

On the 1st spreadsheet I had 73 bets with 24 losses and 47 wins which is the normal ratio of 2 wins for every loss.  Instead of breaking even, we won 28 units in 73 bets.

On the 2nd spreadsheet I had 90 bets with 36 losses and 54 wins.  That's either 9 losses too many for normal or 18 wins too few for normal of 2 wins vs 1 loss.  To come out +20 units ahead indicates that this system does have some credibility.

If this continues to perform this well, I might just have to move it to the "full systems" section.

Check it out and see what you think.

GLC

[GLC]

This attached spreadsheet is a continuation of the one in reply #4.  I took it to +40

Took another 66 bets for the next 20 units.  21 losses and 45 wins.  That looks like an easy section and it was except for one series that went for 36 spins.  It had 15 losses and only 21 wins.  That's a pretty big imbalance but the system still handled it pretty well.

I still haven't reached a draw down of -50 units.

GLC

[GLC]

Another 20 unit session.

As you can see, I'm using the rule of only adjusting the bet line on the 2 dozens that you were actually betting on.  And, even though you can't see this from the spreadsheet, I always bet on both dozens the largest amount of either dozen.

Reset when reach even or +1. 

Option:  You can bet whatever the next bet should be even if it takes you plus more than 1.  You win more units, but you can also have larger draw downs if you happen to lose on the bet that would have put you ahead if won.  And, now you are going into a draw down betting larger units.  So far the draw downs have been tame enough that playing this way wouldn't hurt you any, you'd just be making more units.

The only time playing for more than +1 would hurt you is it caused you to start a big draw down at a large enough level that you either hit your stop loss or the table bet limit.  Otherwise you would always recover and have more units at the end of the session than shooting for 1 unit on each series.

As you can see, it took 55 bets to reach another +20units. 
I had 18 losses and 37 wins which is normal ratio for double dozens. 
Largest bet was 5-5.
Largest draw down was -14.

No real trouble on this session.

GLC

[GLC]

Since this isn't generating any interest, I think I'll stop posting results.

I've tested it for 300 spins, a drop in the bucket as we all know, and have won 90 units in those spins.  Largest draw down was -45 units.  Largest bet was 8-8, if my memory serves me right.

I'm sure there are losing sessions coming at me like a freight train, and with a little bad luck, I'll find my share of them.

I've played two sessions on my double zero airball machine to +20 units each.

No real problems.

Largest bet was 6-6.
I've yet to see a draw down of -50 units.
Should do better on a single zero, and it would be Katy-bar-the-door on a no zero wheel.
Oh well, as long as I want to stay legal, I guess no zero is just a dream.

Still considering posting this as a full system.

Cheers to all,

GLC

[ausjase]

hi GLC
Great results so far im looking forward 2 trying it out once the kids let me have a go on my own computer lol
cheers

[GLC]

hi GLC
Great results so far I'm looking forward 2 trying it out once the kids let me have a go on my own computer LoL
cheers

Have fun and let us know how you do.  The more we get testing it, the sooner we will have a really bad series.


I'm thinking about a 200 unit bank should give us enough elbow room to win plenty of units.


I just finished a session on betvoyager double zero demo wheel.  +30 in 49 spins.  Playing on the last 2 dozens to spin.  Sometimes we just can't lose.


Good luck and it's time for me to get some shut-eye,


GLC

[GLC]

Played another test on bet voyager single zero wheel demo mode.

+20 units.
62 bets.
-83 largest draw down.
12-12 largest bet.

Much harder session, although still won 1 unit for every 3 spins so well within my expected win rate of 1 unit for every 5 spins.  This expected win rate is based on minimal testing, although I've tested so many systems that I can usually tell about what the win rate is within a short time.  My only concern is that I haven't had a loss yet to see what that feels like.  My win rate for now is about 1 unit for every 3-4 spins.  After my first loss, that should drop to a more realistic rate.

Let me know how you do Ausjase.  Especially if you have a loss.  Right now I'm looking at a 200 unit stop loss target and play to a 20 unit win target.  Since I haven't won 200 units yet, a loss now would put me in the hole.  So far I've only had 1 draw down below -50 and that's -83.  The scary thing is that once you are at -83 you're betting large enough bets that it wouldn't take many losses in a row to reach -200.

When I go to the casino for live testing, I am only playing for quarters and I take 1200 units with me.  Seems like overkill but better safe than sorry.

LOL,

George

[trebor]

Hello GLC

"I am betting the highest amount on either of the dozens on both of the dozens no matter what position in the progression the dozen with the smaller amount has.  But if I lose, I adjust the both dozens according to how they should be."

Does this mean that that the lower progression amount is only ignored for the bet itself. Then, win or lose, both dozens revert to their own respective amounts.

Trebor

[GLC]

Hello GLC

"I am betting the highest amount on either of the dozens on both of the dozens no matter what position in the progression the dozen with the smaller amount has.  But if I lose, I adjust the both dozens according to how they should be."

Does this mean that that the lower progression amount is only ignored for the bet itself. Then, win or lose, both dozens revert to their own respective amounts.

Trebor

That's exactly right Trebor.

I have tried it both ways and this way seems to work the best.

Let's say we are betting on dozens 1 & 3.  Doz 1 is at 3 and doz 3 is at 5.  We would bet 5 on each dozen.  The way you stated, if we win because the 1st dozen hit, the next would be 2 on the 1st doz and 6 on the 3rd dozen thus our next bet would be 6-6.

But we could leave the 1st dozen on 5 and adjust it down to 4 and adjust the 3rd dozen up to 6 for the next bet.  That means we would be betting 6-6 either way.  The difference would be when we lose and have to bet the 1 & 2.  By resetting the low dozen even with the high dozen, we ratchet up our bets more quickly than the stated way.

The non-stated method is more aggressive and for those who like a quicker paced recovery, they may choose to play the second way.  You must also be prepared to have larger draw downs but as long as we don't get into a really negative series, we will always recover both ways.  This second way has some really big drawdowns so please test it thoroughly before playing this way.  In all honesty I can't recommend it over the stated method.

Play the same numbers with both progression methods and see what I mean.

GLC

[trebor]

Thanks GLC that's the way I've played a couple of sessions. I like to test with real money but use low stakes that can't hurt me at all.

Just two so far. 20 units in 48 spins and 20 units in 50 spins. Didn't take note of the drawdown but will in future.

Robert