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Started by ego, Dec 20, 06:49 AM 2011

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ego

Dec 20, 06:49 AM 2011

I understand you and why you have not explore visual ballistic - there is many reasons for that.
First of all - pepole among the AP community is protecting what they have and at rare times you can find hints regarding different subject at the right roulette boards.
Other solution is also to pay for material - witch is expensive and most material is not up to date or missing some crucial parts to get a full working playing model.

Even if some one succeed to gain knowledge it takes time and effort to gain experience.
The learning curve differing depending on your ability.

Feel free to ask questions about the subject and i will pin point you out to the correct directions.

EGO
Denial of gamblers fallacy is usually seen in people who has Roulette as last option for a way to wealth, debt covering and a independent lifestyle.  Next step is pretty ugly-
AP - It's not that it can't be done, but rather people don't really have a clue as to the level of fanaticism and outright obsession that it takes to be successful, let alone get to the level where you can take money out of the casinos on a regular basis. Out of 1,000 people that earnestly try, maybe only one will make it.

iggiv

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Dec 20, 05:59 PM 2011
thanx a lot Ego  :thumbsup:

ego

#2
Dec 23, 02:11 PM 2011
Quote from: iggiv on Dec 20, 05:59 PM 2011
thanks a lot Ego  :thumbsup:

Well i am so tired of all this few that are selling - i am protecting like most AP - but i just feel there is nothing wrong to pin point out certain things so pepole know where and what to look at to get on the right track into a wounderfull world.
Denial of gamblers fallacy is usually seen in people who has Roulette as last option for a way to wealth, debt covering and a independent lifestyle.  Next step is pretty ugly-
AP - It's not that it can't be done, but rather people don't really have a clue as to the level of fanaticism and outright obsession that it takes to be successful, let alone get to the level where you can take money out of the casinos on a regular basis. Out of 1,000 people that earnestly try, maybe only one will make it.

vladir

#3
Jan 06, 07:23 AM 2012
Hi,

How can you use advantage play on online live wheels, where bets are closed before the ball is even put to spin? In one such casino, I even noticed they removed the ball from the wheel, wait for bets to be closed and then they spin it - so last hit number is not even able to be considered, becaus e the ball is removed from the pocket and there is no way you can calculate the starting point relative to the spinning wheel, where the ball will be spinned.

Any tougths on this?
"In God we trust; all others must bring data", W. Edwards Deming

GARNabby

#4
Jan 06, 10:08 AM 2012
Quote from: ego on Dec 20, 06:49 AM 2011
First of all - pepole among the Advantage-play community is protecting what they have and at rare times you can find hints regarding different subject at the right roulette boards.
Anyone with such knowledge could be an instant risk-free millionaire by publishing some small leaflet about it, and selling that for $10 a copy.  That's what Thorp did, as with all the others with something of value on a given topic.   Who wouldn't?  Even if someone were to "sandbag" it, another would soon come along to properly "cash in" on it.  Knowledge is available to all, not just the scammers, or purists (, neither of who play the games in any event).

PinchHitter

#5
Jan 06, 11:46 AM 2012
well i have a very easy VB method i tested and played ... and it works !
i have played it on a online live casino .. want tell the name..
but they startet to set the* no more bets* sooner .. so VB wasnt playble at that casino anymore ..

but i have seen and even chatted with some VB playesr who played teher regulary.. as it had decent video feed..


i would even share the method here .. its ver basic and easy ... no rotor timing needed .. noir DD

just focus on the zero and ball crossings...


cheers

iggiv

#6
Jan 06, 05:30 PM 2012
PinchHitter that would be very kind of u. and yes, i am interested and i am sure not only me. thanx

PinchHitter

#7
Jan 07, 05:51 AM 2012
OK


This method i came up with is ver basic and simple , yet effective! it works on all wheels and dealers
u don't need to know the rotor speed nor the ball speed! we also don't need to know where the DD is u don't even need to know the numbers layout in your head!  as i said its a beginner  method
it can be a lil difficult if we have an inconsistent dealer .. but as u pleay the method You can adapt to such  situations quickly..


Basics:

1st  Count how manny spins the ball travels before it hits the wheel!
do this for CC and CW (for every new dealer)

lets say the ball travels 19 spins before it drops!

2nd so we need to know where the dealer shoots the ball (lets it go)


3rd then we let the ball travel one full round!

4th Then we need to check where the first Ball Zero Crossing happend!
      as this will be our read point! where we read our prediction!



5th  then we need to coun X Ball zero crossings (X depends on the spins the ball travels till drop)
       in our case the ball drops after 19 spins .. divided be 2 = 9,5 round up to 10
      so we count 10 ball zero crossings .. the 10th count is where we look at the readout!
     and read what number is in that place! that is our prediction!



easy! uh! ;)



i will probably starts a live mikogo session today .. to show and explain it live!
anyone who is interrested .. let me know..


cheers

ego

#8
Jan 07, 06:55 AM 2012
Quote from: vladir on Jan 06, 07:23 AM 2012
Hi,

How can you use advantage play on online live wheels, where bets are closed before the ball is even put to spin? In one such casino, I even noticed they removed the ball from the wheel, wait for bets to be closed and then they spin it - so last hit number is not even able to be considered, becaus e the ball is removed from the pocket and there is no way you can calculate the starting point relative to the spinning wheel, where the ball will be spinned.

Any tougths on this?

This is the answer to your question.

If you find one on line wheel that let you place bets during the ball spins 8 to 10 turnaround from beginning of release - then you could take andvantage out of that situation.
But if you can not place bets during the ball spins - there is no opportunity for andvantage play.
Denial of gamblers fallacy is usually seen in people who has Roulette as last option for a way to wealth, debt covering and a independent lifestyle.  Next step is pretty ugly-
AP - It's not that it can't be done, but rather people don't really have a clue as to the level of fanaticism and outright obsession that it takes to be successful, let alone get to the level where you can take money out of the casinos on a regular basis. Out of 1,000 people that earnestly try, maybe only one will make it.

ego

#9
Jan 07, 07:00 AM 2012
Quote from: GARNabby on Jan 06, 10:08 AM 2012
Anyone with such knowledge could be an instant risk-free millionaire by publishing some small leaflet about it, and selling that for $10 a copy.  That's what Thorp did, as with all the others with something of value on a given topic.   Who wouldn't?  Even if someone were to "sandbag" it, another would soon come along to properly "cash in" on it.  Knowledge is available to all, not just the scammers, or purists (, neither of who play the games in any event).

Funny to see your bla bla again regarding this topic - i do not delete your reply as everything has its own proper answer.
Funny that you mention Thorp - as i have hes way developed by Laurance and sure give a real edge - andvantage - regarding certain way witch is another story.
Sure i could make a bunch of money selling what i have in my visual ballistic library - but i don't.
Denial of gamblers fallacy is usually seen in people who has Roulette as last option for a way to wealth, debt covering and a independent lifestyle.  Next step is pretty ugly-
AP - It's not that it can't be done, but rather people don't really have a clue as to the level of fanaticism and outright obsession that it takes to be successful, let alone get to the level where you can take money out of the casinos on a regular basis. Out of 1,000 people that earnestly try, maybe only one will make it.

ego

#10
Jan 07, 07:02 AM 2012
Quote from: PinchHitter on Jan 06, 11:46 AM 2012
well i have a very easy VB method i tested and played ... and it works !
i have played it on a online live casino .. want tell the name..
but they startet to set the* no more bets* sooner .. so VB wasn't playble at that casino anymore ..

but i have seen and even chatted with some VB playesr who played teher regulary.. as it had decent video feed..


i would even share the method here .. its ver basic and easy ... no rotor timing needed .. noir DD

just focus on the zero and ball crossings...


cheers

Sound cool - i personally come across two methods witch deal with level wheels - but i have not test them.
Denial of gamblers fallacy is usually seen in people who has Roulette as last option for a way to wealth, debt covering and a independent lifestyle.  Next step is pretty ugly-
AP - It's not that it can't be done, but rather people don't really have a clue as to the level of fanaticism and outright obsession that it takes to be successful, let alone get to the level where you can take money out of the casinos on a regular basis. Out of 1,000 people that earnestly try, maybe only one will make it.

iggiv

#11
Jan 07, 05:54 PM 2012
thank u PinchHunter and Ego  :thumbsup:

ReDsQuaD

#12
Feb 23, 03:36 PM 2012
Nice to see advantage play being discussed. :thumbsup:
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