The 2nd Plus the Penultimate

[GLC]

I don't know about you all, but my most vivid dreams occur when I wake up on Saturday morning and realize that I still have another hour or so to sleep before I have to get up and I fall back to sleep.  Those dreams stay with me the longest.

Well I had such a dream this morning and it wasn't even Saturday.  But I did have the day off and awakened at my usual time which was about an hour to early.

In the dream I was a contestant in a roulette tournament.  Over 50 people were participating in the contest.  As luck would have it, I was in the final four contestants.  Go figure.  Lucky for us or we wouldn't know what a wonderful system this is.

Unfortunately, my alarm went off before a victor was decided but I do remember the system I was playing.  It just happens to be one that I've never played before.  Not that it's so unique of an idea, just that I had never played this particular bet selection method.

I was playing a double dozen bet.  The bet selection method was that I played the 2nd dozen plus the penultimate dozen.  If the penultimate dozen was the 2nd dozen then I played the 1st and 3rd dozens until the penultimate dozen wasn't the 2nd dozen and then I switched back to 2nd dozen plus the penultimate dozen.

The bet progression was simple:

1-1
2-2
3-3
4-4
5-5
6-6
7-7
9-9
12-12
15-15
19-19
24-24
31-31
39-39
50-50

After a loss, move to the next level.
After a win, stay at the same level.
When even or plus reset to 1-1.

Now, for all of us who are well versed in roulette systems, we know that there's nothing special about the bet selection process even if I've never thought of it before.  Maybe someone else has and I just don't remember it except in my dreams.

And the progression is just another negative progression with an ever increasing bet size factor to if you find yourself too deep in the hole, it won't take forever to recover.  Read Bayes' comments on why it becomes difficult to recover the larger our bets get if we only increase the bet size by 1 or a few units.

So why would putting the two parts together result in a winning system?  They probably don't.  But my tests have been encouraging so far.

GLC

This is probably a result of focusing on my system on double dozens in the testing zone.

[dennisbelle]

"So why would putting the two parts together result in a winning system?  They probably don't.  But my tests have been encouraging so far"

I am wondering when you are in a long losing streak if rotating between different bet selections methods would help break up the losing streak enough to provide an advantage.  Another bet selection idea I read on this forum is to bet the last dozen that showed and look at the movement from the previous dozen (left or right) and if the movement was to the right then your next bet selection would be to bet the last dozen that showed and also the next dozen to the right of that dozen, the same would apply if it was to the left.

[GLC]

This isn't a tweak, it's a major overhaul.  I should probably post it under a new topic under "Main Roulette Board".  It's hard to get people to return to topics that have lain dormant for a while.  Oh well, for the avid member, they'll find it and maybe take a close look.


Forget about playing the 2nd dozen plus the penultimate.


We're going to play the 2nd dozen plus the hottest dozen of the other 2.


I always check the last 6-9 spins and pick the hottest of the 1st or 3rd dozen.


If I'm betting the 1st and 2nd dozen and the 3rd dozen spins resulting in a loss, I play virtual until the 1st or 2nd dozen hits resulting in a win and then I start again where I left off in the progression.


If I'm playing virtual and the zero hits, I act like it was a 3rd dozen loss.  So I don't start betting for real again until I've had a win.


If my first bet after a virtual win is a loss, I immediately stop betting and go virtual. 


I only bet for real after a win.


I only bet virtual after a loss.


Here's the progression:


Base set:


If lose          Bet amount           # of times to bet       If win
-2                     1-1                          1                     +1     
-6                     2-2                          1                       0
-12                   3-3                          2                       0
-24                   6-6                          2                       0


First recovery set:


-6                    3-3                         1                       +3
-12                  3-3                         2                         0
-24                  6-6                         2                         0
-48                  12-12                     2                         0


Option:
Final recovery set:


-10                  5-5                        1                         +5
-20                  5-5                        2                           0
-40                  10-10                    2                           0
-80                  20-20                    2                           0


Obviously, anytime we are at a new high bank, we reset to 1-1.


If we lose our base set, -24 units, when we move to our First recovery set, we play to recover all 24 lost units if we will have from 0-10 units of profit after the 24 unit recovery.


If we would have from 11-20 units of profit after a 24 unit recovery, we can shoot to recover only 18 units of the 24 unit loss. Then reset to 1-1 of base set.


If we would have from 21-30 units of profit after a 24 unit recovery, we can shoot to recover only 12 units before resetting to 1-1.


If we would have 31 or more units of profit after the 24 unit recover, we should forgo the recovery sets and just take the loss, continuing to play in the base set.


If you chose to play the Final recovery set and lost all 3 sets without winning any units, you would lose 152 units.  Therefore, a 150 unit buy-in is recommended.


If you don't want to risk 150 units, only play the base set and the 1st recovery set.  That's only 72 units.  You could play 2 attacks  for 140 units by skipping the Final recovery set.


Only risk 1 buy-in of 150 units or 2 buy-ins of 70 units per trip to the casino.


Gambling tips:

Decide the exact way you are going to play before you ever enter the casino and don't deviate from it in the heat of battle.  There's a hypnotic factor present when in the casinos.  Don't think you're immune to it.


Decide how much you are going to risk and only take that amount of money with you plus 20 bucks extra.  Consider leaving credit cards at home.


Never risk money you can't afford to lose!


I think a win target of 75 units is adequate. 


If you start to feel tired, quit!  Fatigue causes us to make silly mistakes that can cost us a lot.  And, silly mistakes are followed by even more silly mistakes.


Remember how many times one of our forum members admits that they got frustrated with bad luck or a silly mistake and lost control and chased bad money with good money that they didn't intend to risk and by the time the dust settled, they had messed up big time.  It can happen to any of us.  Be professional in your attitude and actions.


There's more to be said, but it'll have to wait till later.


Good Luck,


GLC

[GLC]

I suggest that you can play the base set only and do quite well most of the time for only a 24 unit buy-in.


Just play until you lose the 24 units.  Some sessions will leave you in the hole a little but many will net you much more than 24 units.  It may never happen to you that you lose all 24 units because to do so you would have to have a losing sequence starting with the first bet.


You might question, "If it wins with the suggested progression, why not just use a more aggressive  1-1; 3-3; 4-4 twice; 8-8 twice for a 32 unit buy-in?"  I like it.  Do it.


Or 1-1; 3-3; 9-9; 27-27 will work also and it nets you +1 on every win.  Of course it costs you 80 units.


For those of you who read my posts, I'm trying to communicate that in the beginning (and maybe always) any system can take twists and turns without negating the value of the system.


As you work with a system, you will eventually settle on the way you like to play it which is as it should be.  You need to have the confidence to make any system your own.


Good luck and remember, there are no guarantees when playing roulette.


Note Albalaha's Holy Grail system being discussed on other topics of the forum.  Even it loses if you don't have enough money to survive the large draw downs.  And it costs you $2,000.


Cheers,


GLC

[dennisbelle]

To play the base set requires 42 units.  Are you saying to stop at a 24 unit loss and not complete the 4 steps in the base set?

[GLC]

To play the base set requires 42 units.  Are you saying to stop at a 24 unit loss and not complete the 4 steps in the base set?

I'm not sure how you get 42 units. If we lose at 1-1 we're down 2 units, we go to 2-2 is we lose here we're down 6 units, we go to 3-3 if we lose here we're down 12 units, we go to 6-6 if we lose here we're down 24 units.

We could be down less if we win and then lose on the 3-3 or the 6-6.

If we lose at 1-1 and 2-2 we will be -6 units.  then if we win at 3-3 we will be down -3 the lose at 3-3, we will be down 9 then we go to 6-6 if we lose we are down 21.  If we are down 9 units and if we win at 6-6 we will be down only 3 units and then lose at 6-6 we will be down 15 units.

The most we can be down is 24 units but we can be down less depending on how our wins and losses occur on the 3-3 and 6-6 bets.

I did forget to point out that we move to the next level in the progression after any loss.

Hope that clears things up.

GLC

[GLC]

Here's a tweak to the progression.  It uses the exact same format as the base set.

Base set:

1-1   1 time
2-2   1 time
3-3   2 times
6-6   2 times

Next set:

2-2   1 time
4-4   1 time
6-6   2 times
12-12  2 times

Next set:

3-3   1 time
6-6   1 time
9-9   2 times
18-18  2 times

Next set:

4-4   1 time
8-8   1 time
12-12  2 times
24-24  2 times

Next set:

5-5   1 time
10-10  1 time
15-15  2 times
30-30  2 times

etc...

This can be played according to D'Alembert.  That is we play until we reach +24 as a win.  If we win say 10 units and then lose a 24 unit series, this puts us down 14 units.  We move to the next level of 2-2; 4-4 etc... and play until we recover the 14 units.  We then drop back down to the 1-1 level.  If we lose a series again before we recover all 14 units, we move to the 3-3 level to recover the remaining losses.  We can either recover all accrued losses and move back to 1-1 or we can recover the losses from level 2-2 and then drop back to level 2-2 to recover the remaining losses from level 1.

As you can see, we have many options available to us.

Cheers,

GLC

[GLC]

Some more progression ideas.

Bread winner style.  Bet at 1-1 unit you get down -6, that means you have lost 1-1  3 times more than the units you've won, start betting 2-2.
When you get down -18 start betting 3-3.
When you get down -36 start betting 5-5.
When you get down -66 start betting 8-8.
When you get down -114 start betting 13-13.
When you get down -192 start betting 21-21.
When you get down -318 start betting 34-34.
When you get down -522 start betting 55-55.
When you get down -852 start betting 89-89.
When you get down -1386 start betting etc...

Of course you can stop at any level and take the loss or you can continue even higher.
You can also escalate your bets at a slower pace or at a faster pace.
The above is based on the bread winner bet progression of:

1-1, 1-1, 1-1
2-2, 2-2, 2-2
3-3, 3-3, 3-3
5-5, 5-5, 5-5
etc...
These represent the number of losses more than 2 times the number of wins.

Another progression:

1-1
2-2

2-2
4-4

3-3
6-6

5-5
10-10

8-8
16-16

13-13
26-26 

Or.....

1-1
3-3

2-2
6-6

3-3
9-9

5-5
15-15

8-8
24-24

13-13
39-39

etc...

All of these have high potential to win you some good units.

If you don't mind the grind, try flat betting at 1-1 to a  tweaked Project 202 progression.  Here's how it's played.
Bet 1-1 until you lose.  Once you lose you continue to bet 1-1 until you reach a plus total or you stay in the hole for 40 bets.  If you are only -10 or less, stay at 1-1 for another 40 bets or until you reach plus territory.  Any time you reach 40 bets you evaluate your situation and increase the size of your bets according to the following table

-10 or higher bet 1-1
-20 or higher bet 2-2
-30 or higher bet 3-3
-40 or higher bet 4-4
-50 or higher bet 5-5
etc...

You bet for 40 times at a level unless you reach a plus balance at which time you reset to 1-1 and start over.  After each 40 bet series, you re-evaluate how far in the hole you are and reset your unit size accordingly.

Most of the time you will be reaching a new high balance fairly often.  The progression is just in case you have a really bad run and get down.  Rather than just take the loss, grind your way back out of the hole.

You can stop playing for the day anytime and just pick up the progression where you left off.

You might possibly have a losing session in your life-time so be sure and set that stop loss figure that you can live with, just in case.

Enjoy,

George

P.S.  This bet method can be played on any of the bet locations.  Just adjust the numbers relative to the payoff.

[GLC]

For those who don't like the time and patience of 40 bet sessions, you can cut this number down to anything you like.  20 bets or 10 bets.  I suggest that you adjust the units in the hole vs the unit sizes you bet.

-5 or higher bet 1-1
-10 or higher bet 2-2
-15 or higher bet 3-3
-20 or higher bet 4-4
-25 or higher bet 5-5
etc...

Rather than moving up and down depending on the amount you are down, you can decide to stay at a bet size until you are either at a new high amount or you are at a larger amount in the hole which results in a larger bet size.

In other words if you are playing 20 bet series and you get to 20 bets and see that you are -10 units in the hole requiring a bet of 2-2 for the next 20 bet series.  At the end of those 20 bets you see that you are only -5 units down, instead of dropping back to 1-1, stay at 2-2 until you reach a new high or finish the 20 spin series.  Then re-evaluate.  Suppose now you are -13 units, then go to 3-3 etc...

We can stay at the same level or go to a higher bet size, but we can't drop back to a smaller bet size unless we reach a new high bank.  Then we reset to 1-1 and start over.