Perpetual Roulette!

[GLC]

  Perpetual Roulette.


This is a system in infant stages. That's why it's here in the Notepad section.


It may be so complicated that it can never be determined to be a long term winner on not. Although there will be those who announce the obvious that the odds of winning or losing aren't changed by making a system somewhat complicated by combining a variety of bets. Fair enough. We'll see!


One of the nice things about this is that you can start playing it and play until you're tired, stop, take a break and come back and start again where you left off. Of course, you should set a stop-loss. Determine your own stop-loss after testing this for a while.

The buy-in amount has not been determined yet either.  It may be fairly high, but maybe not.


This system will need pen and paper although it's not too complicated to play. It will be complicated to explain. Please be patient. For those who don't like to take time to understand a system, you may be missing out.


I posted a system titled “This is the one!.”


link:://rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=1951.0


This is similar to that system. A little more elaborate, but the same basic idea.


We will be betting a street, corner, line, dozen, even chance and double dozen.


Before you turn off, let me give you a short explanation of how we will play and then you can high-tail it unless you're a little curious.


Step 1: We bet the street that the last spun number was in and we bet it for the next 4 spins. We will be betting a progression, so we just bet the next 4 bets in the progression. Every time we bet a street we will be betting following the streets progression. When we win, we restart at the beginning of the street progression. If we lose 4 bets on the street we go to step 2.


Step 2: We will be betting on a corner that has our number in it. We will be betting on the corner that stays within the natural line (double street) that the number is in. So, if we are betting on Red 9, we will be betting on corner 8,9,11,12. If we are betting on Black 22 we will be betting on 19,20,22,23. If we are betting on a number that is in the middle column, you can choose whether you want to go with the 1^st and 2^nd columns or the 2^nd and 3^rd columns. We will bet the corner bet 3 times following our progression. If we win we will reset to the beginning of the corner progression. If we lose 3 times betting on our corner we go to step 3.


Step 3: We will be betting on the natural line that has our number in it. We will be betting on the line for 2 bets according to our line progression. If we lose the 2 bets we will go to step 4.


Step 4: We will bet 1 time on the dozen that contains our number. We will be betting on the dozen according to our dozen progression. If we lose we go to step 5.


Step 5: We will bet 1 time on the high or low even chance that our number is in and according to our even chance progression. If we lose we go to step 6.


Step 6: We will bet 1 time on the double dozen that our number is in. If it is in the 2^nd dozen we will bet the 2^nd dozen and either the 1^st dozen or the 3^rd dozen to be determined by whether our number is in the 13-18 line or the 19-24 line. If it's in the 13-18 we will bet the 1 & 2 dozens. If it's in the 19-24 line we will bet the 2^nd and 3^rd dozens. We will follow our double dozen progression. If we lose, we will go to step 1 and repeat the steps.


When we win on a location we move to the next step (location). When we get back to the location that we just won on, we will start betting at the beginning of our progression for that location.


Each location is played separately from the other locations. The only time what happens in one location affects the other locations is if we reach a new high bank amount. Anytime we reach a new high bank amount, we will reset all progressions and start a fresh attack. An attack doesn't end until we have reached a new high bank amount.


We are not aiming for +1 exclusively. Whatever plus amount the next bet, if won, puts us at is the amount we will be up. In other words, we always bet the next bet in the progression even if it puts us at more than +1.

So, we will start by betting on the street our number is in for 4 times, then we will bet on the corner our number is in 3 times, then we will bet on the Line our number is in 2 times, then we bet on the dozen our number is in 1 time, then we bet on the even chance our number is in 1 time and then we bet on the double dozen our number is in 1 time.  Then we start over betting on the street.  We can either stay with the same number or we can choose the number that spun while betting on the double dozens.  Or we can wait for 1 spin to set a new number.

Anytime we win, we assess whether we are at a new high bank amount and if we are we reset all progressions back to 1.  If we are still in the hole, we skip the rest of the bets for that location and move to the next step.


Following are all the progressions. Please note that although these look like martingale progressions, they are not true martingales. The beginning numbers are true martingales, but the latter numbers don't recover all previous bets. Hopefully they will work together to reach new high water marks on a regular basis.


Street Progression:
1
1
1
1
1
1
1
1
1
1
1
2
2
2
2
2
2
3
3
3
3
4
4
4
4
5
5
6
6
7
7
8
8
9
10
11
12
13
14
15
16
18
19
21
22
24
25
27
29


Corner Progression:


1
1
1
1
1
1
1
1
2
2
2
2
3
3
3
4
4
4
5
6
6
7
8
8
9
10
12
13
15
16
18
20
22
24
27
30
33
36
40


Line Progression:


1
1
1
1
1
2
2
2
3
3
4
4
5
6
7
8
10
12
14
16
19
22
25
29
33
37
42
47
52


Dozen Progression:


1
1
2
3
4
5
7
9
11
14
17
20
25
30
40
55
70
90
115


Even Chance Progression:


1
2
4
8
15
25
45
80
140
240


Dbl Dozen Progression:


1-1
3-3
7-7
20-20
55-55
150-150


I have just started testing this and so I don't have a lot of hard and fast rules. We can decide what works best or doesn't work at all as we get into it.


If you don't have time to invest in something as weird as this, I understand.


Keep checking in from time to time as long as I or we determine that the system is worth continuing. Any help testing is always appreciated.


Cheers,


GLC

[dennisbelle]

GLC,
    If we win at any step we stay on that step until we reach a new high balance or lose the prescribed number of times for that step, is that correct?  Also if we lose the last step (step 6) we go back to step one and resume the progression where we left off which would be the fifth 1 in the progression series, is that correct?

[GLC]

GLC,
    If we win at any step we stay on that step until we reach a new high balance or lose the prescribed number of times for that step, is that correct?  Also if we lose the last step (step 6) we go back to step one and resume the progression where we left off which would be the fifth 1 in the progression series, is that correct?

DB,

I hadn't thought about the idea of continuing at a step until we lose the prescribed number of times or reach a new high bank.  It may not be a bad idea.

My original thought was to win only 1 time at a step and if that win put us up overall, then reset.  If that win left us still in the hole, move on to the next step.

Now that you mention it, staying at a step until we lose the prescribed number of times may be the best idea.

Correct about what to do after losing the 6th step.

This is just an idea my friend.  Your suggestions are just as valid as mine.

Thanks for the help,

GLC

[GLC]

DB,

I definitely like your idea of staying with a bet as long as it's winning and only going on after the prescribed number of losses.  We should reset that step after a win even if we're not at a new high overall.

Another idea is if we win on say the Line bet and reach a new high bank amount, instead of restarting with the Street bet, we just continue with the Line, Dozen, E.C., D.D., Street etc...

I just had a line bet win which put me at a new high.  Lost 2 bets on the Line and then won 3 times on the doz bet for 6 units, lost 2 ea 1 unit bets on the line so went to the e.c. and won 4 times in a row and then lost 1 bet so moved to the Dbl Doz bet and won 8 times in a row before losing once.  As you can see a lot of those bets kept putting me at a new high bank.

Cheers,

GLC

[dennisbelle]

My first test (double zero wheel spins) ended at +10 units, low of -45 units and took 125 spins to complete.  This is a arduous system to test trying to keep track of where you are in each progression and which cycle you are in.  At one point I was in my 5th cycle (bet placement cycle) before I reached a new high.  It seems like the bets that payoff at 1 to 1 are just treading water because you don't gain (or lose) much.  By the time you cycle through the earlier bets (street, corner, line, dozen) and get to the 1 to 1 bets you are in the hole and it takes a bet with higher payoffs to win to get back in profit.  I am think of trying this with just the street, corner and line (double street) bet selections.  The way I tested this was after each cycle I waited one spin and used the number that showed up as my new target. 

[GLC]

I'm agreeing with you DB.  I've played 4 times +47, +15, +12, +36.  The +47 and +36 sessions went very quickly as I hit a lot on the streets, corners and lines.  The other two took forever and like you said takes the patience of Job.  I was betting 7 in the progression on the street bet when I hit and it brought me to plus.  I very often win extra units on the e.c.s and dbl dozen bets.  The way I was testing is if I win on a location, I continue to bet the minimum for that location until I lose.  Any loss after a win sends me to the next step.  These extra units seem to make up for the units that don't get recovered in some of the latter bets in the progressions for some of the locations.

I'm not yet convinced that this is a viable system, although with enough guts, time and money, I think you may be able to always pull out ahead if you stay with it.

I have also tested it this way.  I start with 1 unit bet one time on the Street, 1 unit 1 time on the corner, 1 unit 1 time on the Line, 1 unit 1 time on the dozen.  If I win on any of the first 3 bets, I reset.  If I lose all four of the 1st bets I am down 4 units.  I recover 2 units on the even chance and 3 units on the double dozen.    That puts me up +1.  This means that I have to play the even chance until I win 2 units.  And I have to play the dbl dozen until I win 3 units.  If I lose the frist 3 bets and win on the dozen, I am down 1 unit.  I shoot for a win on the e.c. and a win on the dbl doz.  That puts me up +1.

I play the e.c. according to the progression and the dbl dozen according to the progression until I win the prescribed number of units.  So, if I'm shooting for 3 units on the dbl dozens, I must win at least 3 times.  When playing this way, I play a follow-the-last trot on the e.c. with some adjustments for single chops and doubles.  I have explained this method a hundred times in other posts.  I play the dbl dozen according to betting the 2nd dozen plus the penultimate dozen and if the pen doz is the 2nd dozen, I play the 1st and 3rd dozen.  Note:  I am considering playing virtual if the penultimate dozen is the 2nd dozen until I have a virtual win and then begin betting.  If the 2nd doz is the penultimate doz a run of doz 2s can kill you.

This way has been winning much more quickly but it can also get a little hairy on the even chance and dbl doz progressions.  When the streets, corners and lines are hitting the wins add up quickly.  When they're not hitting, the lower payoff bets recover the losses pretty easily.

My original thought was that betting this way would make it hard to find the losing combinations since we're not playing a mechanical method per se.  Each pass through the bets can take you on a totally different route that makes it hard to find that losing sequence.

Still it's a work in progress.

GLC

[dennisbelle]

Test #2 ended at +65 units.  I only played street, corner and line using the same progression as outlined in the first post.  I tracked the cycles and if I won and was still in the hole I bet the same cycle progression again starting with the first bet in the cycle I was in.  Each time I start the cycle over again  (regardless of the reason for restarting) I wait one bet and use the number that shows as the new target number.  My largest bet was 4 units for this test.  I found this much easier to track and play (for me).

[GLC]

How many spins approximately do you think it took?

Do you think adding the splits and even straight up numbers would just make reaching a profit longer?

What I'm thinking is this.  If the lower payout bets are too risky for the small return, then maybe adding the splits and the single number bets will make the system more stable.

Maybe something to look at later if the streets, corners, lines hold up.

Thanks for the help.  I'll run through a test using your method right after dinner.

GLC


P.S.  Decided to do a quick test to see how it works before dinner.  47 spins for +27 units.  Not too bad.

[GLC]

My quick test to +27 in 47 spins was played as close to how you described it for the streets, corners, and lines as I understood.


This may be much better without the dozens, even chances and double dozens.


GLC

[dennisbelle]

It took 103 spins.  I think I will test as is for a while and see how far I can go before I exceed a reasonable bankroll (whatever that is).  Adding splits and straight up numbers may work also.  High payoff bets (splits and straight up) have a nice payoff but are difficult to hit and even, dozen and double dozens are easy to hit but the payoff doesn't gain much.  I think adding these bets may be beneficial but will add more playing time to hit your goal so I am thinking we have to strike a balance between how long we are comfortable playing and hitting our target (goal).  That balance may be different for each of us.  That said I will be pleasantly surprised if this method is a long term winner but   hope springs eternal!

[Tomla021]

Cant say that I'm not interested:)

[GLC]

DB,

There has to be a losing sequence for sure.  How often it comes up compared to how much it wins on a steady basis is the big question.  I feel that if we can find a system that let's us keep 5%-10% of our wins after hitting our stop loss is the Holy cat's meow.  That means that we have to win at a pretty good clip or it won't be worth the effort.

I think you may be right regarding the bets at both ends of the game.  I somtimes question how much the corner bet helps us.  But without it, we'd only have 2 bets.  I agree with you for now to just test the 3 bets and see what a really bad game looks like.

All my testing so far has been in demo play which takes a little longer to test.  I may pull out some old spins and see if I can't speed things up a little.

I'll also look at a couple of sessions with the single and split just to see how it feels.

GLC

[GLC]

can't say that I'm not interested:)

Tom compadre,

Can't say that it's overwhelming me yet, but check us out every now and then to see how it's going.  I know you're a busy man, but if you get really interested, run a couple of tests for us and help us break it or show that it's worth a second look by everyone.

Cheers my friend,

GLC

P.S.  Being from Arizona which is practically in Mexico, I'm brushing up on my Spanish.  I now know two words, compadre and taco.  Oh yeah, and "No"

[GLC]

Just had a very tough session.


116 spins.


Hit the street bet 6 times.
Hit the Line bet 1 time while betting 22 units.
And didn't hit the corner bet until I was betting  36 units on it and that was enough to bring me out of the hole to +2.
I got down 350 units at one point.


The frustrating thing was that the corner bet hit 4 or 5 times while I was betting on the street bet, it was the 2 numbers that weren't in the street.  Also the Line bet hit multiple times while I was betting the street and corner bets.


I can see that is one of the big weaknesses of this system.


I can tell you that it was frustrating watching the ball dance around the numbers I was betting.


The positive is that it did finally recover to +2 from -350.  And we know that it can eat up a 350 unit buy-in.

I guess there's really no surprises here.


GLC

[dennisbelle]

Test #3 ended at +56 units and took 148 spins.  Largest bet was 4 units.  Most down was 42 units.