Perpetual Roulette!

[dennisbelle]

Test #3 ended at +12 units.  Took 121 spins, biggest draw down was 245 units, biggest bet was 22 units.  Rough session but still recovered for a profit.  Seems like I have to hit on the street bet to recover and get into profit.  The hits on the corner and line help to keep the draw down lower however.

[GLC]

I've noticed that when 1 bet location is doing poorly, the other 2 are hitting periodically so that when the sleeper finally hits, it usually brings us out to a new high.  For me it was the corner that was sleeping.  For you it was the street.

Maybe a tweak on the progressions will help.

My assessment so far is that even though it has pulled out of the hole every time, I can see that just a couple of more losses on my corner and I would have hit the end of that progression.  What to do then?  Continue betting the street and line only.  Bet the final  bet of the corner progression until it hits?  Whenever one of the locations losses the whole progression, take the loss and reset everything?

What say you?

GLC

[dennisbelle]

Lets continue to test as is.  No loss so far.  At this point we need more data.  Regardless of the changes we make we will always have a bad run so we just need to see if we have enough good runs to offset the bad ones.

[GLC]

Lets continue to test as is.  No loss so far.  At this point we need more data.  Regardless of the changes we make we will always have a bad run so we just need to see if we have enough good runs to offset the bad ones.

Agreed!

[GLC]

Test #2 ended at +65 units.  I only played street, corner and line using the same progression as outlined in the first post.  I tracked the cycles and if I won and was still in the hole I bet the same cycle progression again starting with the first bet in the cycle I was in.  Each time I start the cycle over again  (regardless of the reason for restarting) I wait one bet and use the number that shows as the new target number.  My largest bet was 4 units for this test.  I found this much easier to track and play (for me).

I just want to clarify what you mean when talking about cycles. 
Is a cycle all 3 bet locations for the prescribed number of spins, i.e. 9 spins.
Or is a cycle each bet location.

So If you were betting the corner bet and won on the 3rd bet and you were still in the hole, you would start betting the corners on the 1st bet in that 3 bet cycle after spinning to get a new number.

Or would you start betting the Street on the 1st of the 4 bets after spinning to get a new number.

See what I mean.  Is a cycle = 4 bets on a street, 3 bets on a corner and 2 bets on a line.
Or is a cycle 4 bets on a street.  And another cycle is 3 bets on a corner.  And another cycle is 2 bets on a line.

Lot of words for a simple question, but I want to make sure we're testing it the same way.

GLC

[dennisbelle]

Is a cycle all 3 bet locations for the prescribed number of spins, i.e. 9 spins.  YES Or is a cycle each bet location.  No So If you were betting the corner bet and won on the 3rd bet and you were still in the hole, you would start betting the corners on the 1st bet in that 3 bet cycle Yes to this part
after spinning to get a new number.  No I stay with the same number.  I only look for a new number when I start a new cycle (cycle of 9 bets).

This is the way I am testing. 

[dennisbelle]

Test #4 ended at +27 units.  It took 149 spins and the biggest draw down was -100 units.  Highest bet was 8 units.

[GLC]

Is a cycle all 3 bet locations for the prescribed number of spins, i.e. 9 spins.  YES Or is a cycle each bet location.  No So If you were betting the corner bet and won on the 3rd bet and you were still in the hole, you would start betting the corners on the 1st bet in that 3 bet cycle Yes to this part
after spinning to get a new number.  No I stay with the same number.  I only look for a new number when I start a new cycle (cycle of 9 bets).

This is the way I am testing. 

Gotcha!

[GLC]

First session using your exact rules.  Finished at +38.

227 spins
9 hits on the streets
7  hits on the corners
5 hits on the lines
8 units on a street was the largest bet.  Hit on the 2nd 8 unit bet.
-84 was the largest draw down (since I had already won +34 units this only put me at -50 units.)

One thing that I'm noticing is that if you don't win early you usually don't win more than a couple of units on a big hit.  This is because the further you go in the progression without a win, when you finally do win, you are not recovering all lost bets in that progression.

It can be a grind.  In the attack where I got down 84 units from my previous high, it took 84 spins to dig out of the hole.  That's because the progression is a very safe progression, if there is such a thing.

We can continue to test it the way you stated above, which I like well enough.  And so far we've never had a loss.  The test above where I was down -350 units at one point, I wasn't playing this exact method which skews that result. 

I've considered changing the cycle to only 6 bets.  3 on the street, 2 on the corner, 1 on the line.  That way a win on any bet will at least break us even.  With the 9 bet cycle a win on either line bet results in a loss of 1 or 2 units respectively.

Note that I said I've 'considered' changing the cycle.  As long as we're doing as well as we are, even if it is a grind, I'll continue to stay the course.  The only way to make it less of a grind is to change the progressions by increasing the size of our bets more quickly.  This, of course, also makes the chance of loss greater and increases the bankroll size needed to stay alive.

GLC

[Tomla021]

Tucson Tiger
number 1... Happy New year!
2. I am playing a ton(baccarat)
3.I dont get your system yet but theres a reason: I havent looked to be honest
4. Best wishes: your the best
5. refer to 1...... be good and happy etc---

[GLC]

Thanks Tom and same to you.

This system, unfortunately, doesn't work so well on bac.

Since you're playing a ton, I'll assume congratulations on your winning is in order.

CONGRATULATIONS!

[GLC]

Another tough session.  At least it felt tough.

Started out in the hole and stayed there for 108 spins.
Ended the session at +6.  Ran out of time or I would have continued.
Won on the street bet 4 times.
Won on the Corner bet 2 times.  The second hit on the corner betting 18 units for a net gain of +144 units put me into the plus range.
Won on the line bet only 2 times.  The second win while betting 22 units pulled me partially out of the hole so the 18 unit win on the corner could bring me the rest of the way out.
-230 units was my largest draw down.

Once again the system pulled out of the hole before disaster struck.

For some, -230 units may have already been disaster.  For others, it may not have even gotten close.

The test continues!!

GLC

[dennisbelle]

Test #5 ended at +77 units.  Took 177 spins.  Largest bet was 4 units.  Largest draw down was -40 units.

[GLC]

Test #3 unsing Dennisbelle's rules
This was a breeze

+52  Total win
66 spins
-7  was the largest draw down
1 was the highest bet
5 wins on the street bets
4 wins on the corner bets
2 wins on the line bets

[dennisbelle]

Test #6 ended at +81 units.  Took 157 spins.  No large bets or draw downs.  This completes 989 spins of the first 1000 spins in the Zumma roulette tester book.  So far no session losses.