The 1-3-2-4 Ladder System

[Anima-t3d]

Yeah, that's pretty interesting because I found the same to be true.  Could you tell me how you managed to test the 1-3-2-4 progression on 2 million spins? I'm guessing you didn't do it manually (as that would probably take forever).

Could you use the same method to test the 1-3-2-4 Ladder system? I have had success with it for many years, but like any system, I could just be lucky.  Testing it over 2 million spins would be conclusive, in my opinion. 

To test it I used the SuperRoulette bot's "batch run" feature, it has a few systems in it one of which is a progressions template... however ladders aren't supported. So what I could do is go back to step one on a loss and go to the next step on profit, but it doesn't support having like 3 attempts at each stage/ladder, without doing it for all steps.

The results are not so great -$32,58 betting $0,01 on 3ec's... unless I haven't done something entirely correct... 

See attachment for my spins database (includes spins from random.org and the random mersene twister, no zeros, no real play)

[Anima-t3d]

Just to clarify, the previous post was tested without the 3 attempts on each stage/ladder. Therefor actually using the 3 attempts might be the deciding factor in making wins.

I cannot test it as it should with SuperRoulette, but if there ever comes a tool for roulette testing online, I'd include the system so you can test it as it should. No guarantees though.

[Hermes]

You cannot test roulette without zero! False results. The test must be with zero so natural as it is at real game. Those tests are artificial, no value.
Hermes

[Anima-t3d]

You cannot test roulette without zero! False results. The test must be with zero so natural as it is at real game. Those tests are artificial, no value.
Hermes

Well if you bet even chances, you have most luck with a no zero table. If it doesn't work on a no zero, it surely wouldn't work on a single/double zero.

[Hermes]

I would say opposite. If it works on US double zero roulette it works even on Mars.
Only French roulette has half zero. RNG without zero is the same as roulette with 5 zeros.
US double zero roulette has another 3 zeros hidden in it, didn't you felt it yet?
Hermes

[Anima-t3d]

US double zero roulette has another 3 zeros hidden in it, didn't you felt it yet?
Hermes

How do you mean?

[VLS]

How do you mean?

I believe Anima still needs to get to get used to the "roulette humor" around here

RNG without zero is the same as roulette with 5 zeros.

I.e. for some it goes like: RNG = rigged. Or perhaps because the calculations on the long-term "even game" includes back and forth movements of 100% winnings between the house and the player. They skew the calculations by substracting 10% of your winnings at a time, so the game is not theoretically even anymore.

[F_LAT_INO]

I would say opposite. If it works on US double zero roulette it works even on Mars.
Only French roulette has half zero. RNG without zero is the same as roulette with 5 zeros.
US double zero roulette has another 3 zeros hidden in it, didn't you felt it yet?
Hermes

Hermes,
on EC EN PRISON rules,whicm am playing,no zero affects the game.

[The_Force]

Wow, that's not a good looking graph Anima.  But as you said, you haven't incorporated the full system so it's not entirely representative of this system.

However, from 1 million spins to about 2. 5 million spins, the graph is pretty much going up.  Seeing as I play this live, I doubt I am anywhere near a million spins.  So it maybe that i'm currently riding this upward trend. 

Again though, until the whole system is tested, it's hard to say really.  Also, did you set a stop loss and profit target when you ran the numbers through? This is quite important and I don't think running the numbers through without these parameters is accurate. 

I usually play this with only 100 unit bank and 10 unit profit, and I play with a stop loss of half my bank.  I play with $5 units, so that is $500 bank and $50 profit. 

There is a very easy way to win money off an online casino if play can be automated (I dunno if super roulette can do this, but from the website it sounds like it might be possible).  Basically, you monitor the EC distribution until you get a massive bias towards one side (so black).  Then you use the 1-3-2-4 progression (even without the ladder) to bet on the opposite side (so red).  This of course cannot be done in real life as you would have to sit there forever, but if it was automated, you let the computer wait until you see a major bias, then you play the opposite side.  You could actually use any progression for this and it would work, but the 1-3-2-4 progression is steady and safe. 

[Anima-t3d]

Wow, that's not a good looking graph Anima.  But as you said, you haven't incorporated the full system so it's not entirely representative of this system.

However, from 1 million spins to about 2. 5 million spins, the graph is pretty much going up.  Seeing as I play this live, I doubt I am anywhere near a million spins.  So it maybe that i'm currently riding this upward trend. 

Again though, until the whole system is tested, it's hard to say really.  Also, did you set a stop loss and profit target when you ran the numbers through? This is quite important and I don't think running the numbers through without these parameters is accurate. 

I usually play this with only 100 unit bank and 10 unit profit, and I play with a stop loss of half my bank.  I play with $5 units, so that is $500 bank and $50 profit. 

There is a very easy way to win money off an online casino if play can be automated (I dunno if super roulette can do this, but from the website it sounds like it might be possible).  Basically, you monitor the EC distribution until you get a massive bias towards one side (so black).  Then you use the 1-3-2-4 progression (even without the ladder) to bet on the opposite side (so red).  This of course cannot be done in real life as you would have to sit there forever, but if it was automated, you let the computer wait until you see a major bias, then you play the opposite side.  You could actually use any progression for this and it would work, but the 1-3-2-4 progression is steady and safe. 

I didn't set a stoploss or take profit, this way it takes all the numbers (like how it would be when you stop and you play a new session). Otherwise you might "simulate" only favorable spins. It only had end of file count. So when the file was finished it "resets" bets and start from step 1 in the progression.

With SR you can have standard deviation based system (the AI system is what it's called), which you can configure, but now it only uses a -1 unit on a win and a +1 betting unit when losing. It's quite profitable, only when it goes near table limits or alot losing in the beginning is when it doesn't end in a profit. But on my demo account on BV, no zero. I went up from 1k to 2.4k in less than a month, betting 0.01 only. At BV I get about 450 spins/hour. Playing the AI took about 10hours a day. In the forum of SR I posted my optimized settings for the AI + config file which brings in about twice as much.

Soon version 2.5 will be out.