Combining forces to get the edge?

[Anima-t3d]

I was wondering since victor is setting up a tipping service...

What about if we set up a "tracking" system which collects each active users spun numbers and shows the hot and cold numbers. That way we get faster our "difference" that could trigger a bet or a stop.

I think that the majority of the people will be winning with it (not all, because there's this slight "sleeper" number for an individual that could run for many spins). But it will be easier to get the "overall trend".
I think we get better odds, since we get a bigger sample in shorter time and it's unlikely once there is a difference that it won't be of any influence on the next numbers.

This could be incorporated into victor's tipping service and/or just available as free online statistics?

For this to work we need to setup a "neural network", Victor would need to make a "tracker" which keeps track of each number and send it to victor's server.

Also it might be good to separate it into: no zero, single zero and double zero. And perhaps even by casino.

It would also be good to compare the user to the bigger sample and spot counter trends.

Well it's just an idea, but universal laws make me think that it would work...
What do you guys think?

And victor would you be interested in making this? (I wouldn't mind helping you with setting up the webpart)

[Twisteruk]

My first instinct was "Casino Specific" otherwise it would not mean too much, would it ?


Good idea though dude 

[Anima-t3d]

My first instinct was "Casino Specific" otherwise it would not mean too much, would it ?


Good idea though dude 

Well "casino specific" would only matter if that specific casino doesn't have "truly random" numbers, in other words... you think it would kind of "manipulate" the numbers... Which in any legalized casino shouldn't be the case...

However since there is no "true" randomness with computers... you might want to split it up by "system" like: playtech, microgaming, ... Since they would each have the same or modified random number generator... which means that each platform would stick by its own "random numbers"... perhaps if you collect enough data trough this method, you might find "favorable and unfavorable" number patterns.

To clarify the "patterns" see the following link:
link:://:.boallen.com/random-numbers.html

[VLS]

My first response is "developing such idea is possible to implement".

[VLS]

And Victor would you be interested in making this? (I wouldn't mind helping you with setting up the webpart)

I'll pass from this one dear friend.

I can offer my assistance as a consultant if you need it though, but at this point in time I want to focus in my own projects, "To fight my own fights" so to speak, which are for the benefit of the whole, roulette community also (new breed of bots, roulette software.cc, etc.)

[Anima-t3d]

Well I'd use "session numbers" for the triggers. (Which would be the initial addition to your tipping service, if you want that is... just to refine it even more.)
So you can see current hot and cold numbers for all players currently playing and connected for a specific platform. The session could be limited in hours (like every number will only be in the sample for 24 hours after which it "dies") or it could be in spins (like every number lives for 1 million spins after which it "disappears/dies").
If this system will be deployed I also don't think there'll be so many users that the session "keeps running" and it'll naturally die off when no players are connected.
So it's a matter of which ever condition is met first (no players or certain limit reached).

And total numbers to spot a possible "pattern". Since many people say RNG is not real, and I think it's pseudo random and therefor follows a pattern... if you track only a few numbers you won't see the "bigger picture", but with millions of spins you can spot patterns more easily.

Which you can then use for optimizing platform specific betting strategies.
Like for example (a very simple example) you notice that 14 is a number that only hits 0,9% and 22 hits 5% with playtech. Then you can avoid betting 14 when sleeping and bet 22 when it's sleeping.

[VLS]

Are you willing to do the coding for this?

I could even assist you to some degree with server-based programming and offer you an account in our server.

All free, on the condition that the resulting service is free for members of the forum also 

[Anima-t3d]

I'll pass from this one dear friend.

I can offer my assistance as a consultant if you need it though, but at this point in time I want to focus in my own projects, "To fight my own fights" so to speak, which are for the benefit of the whole, roulette community also (new breed of bots, roulette software.cc, etc.)

I can understand that. I like your "battles" and I'm a supporter of those and certainly wouldn't want you to drop it for this. But perhaps you might have thought this is an interesting addition to incorporate it later on or something.
But I thought to just mention in the forum anyway. And see what other people think about it.

[VLS]

As a proof-of-concept it would sure be nice to see if some specific RNG's have long-term sustainable patterns.

The offer is open if you wish to have it hosted here in our server.

If not, be certain you can link from here to wherever you implement it  

[Anima-t3d]

Are you willing to do the coding for this?

I could even assist you to some degree with server-based programming and offer you an account in our server.

All free, on the condition that the resulting service is free for members of the forum also 

I'm pretty sure that at this very moment I lack a few essential coding skills, but I'm going to study .net and JAVA programming in evening classes starting next month over a 4 year span (I wish I could do it for full days though! lol).
My current coding skill is only: XHTML/CSS/Javascript/PHP/MySQL

I'm not the kind of person that wants to earn money like that, I'd rather it'd be so amazing that I earn my money by using my own system lol 

So unless a few other people jump in, I guess it won't be implemented anytime soon. But if for starters you could make a tracker that outputs to something I can fetch with php and put in a database for example... that could be a rough prototype (just showing the session filters and possible filter by platform and roulette type).

A possible way of outputting could be: calling a php page with parameters (number, platform, roulette type) E.g. roulettetips.cc/input.php?number=5&platform=playtech&roulettetype=0 but this could of course stress the server when under heavy load
Internally it'd record IP and timestamp.

[VLS]

Hey! You have access to server on which you can program already!  

My current coding skill is only: XHTML/CSS/Javascript/PHP/MySQL

That's more than enough to get it running my friend.

PHP is very capable of handling something like this. I program in PHP myself.  

[Anima-t3d]

For the ones that are interested... I'm about 80% done with the basics of the program.

Functionality so far:
-stats
-receive input by calling url (for bots that read and submit data to website)
-manual input
-filters
-...

Still to be done:
-input by copy/paste and/or by uploading txt file
-some minor tweaks to layout and code

If you are interested to give it a test, let me know.

[Anima-t3d]

For the ones that are interested... I'm about 95% done with the basics of the program.

Functionality so far:
-stats
-receive input by calling url (for bots that read and submit data to website)
-manual input
-input by copy/paste and/or by uploading txt file [NEW]
-filters
-...

Still to be done:
-some minor tweaks to layout and code

Future extra's:
-system tester
-putting it all together in one solid webapplication, rather than pages that work together.

IMHO it's a nice tool to analyze previous spun numbers, to check for any biasness or how to improve your own system. And to see which settings are most popular.

If you are interested to give it a test, let me know.

[albertojonas]

For the ones that are interested... I'm about 95% done with the basics of the program.

Functionality so far:
-stats
-receive input by calling url (for bots that read and submit data to website)
-manual input
-input by copy/paste and/or by uploading txt file [NEW]
-filters
-...

Still to be done:
-some minor tweaks to layout and code

Future extra's:
-system tester
-putting it all together in one solid webapplication, rather than pages that work together.

in my humble opinion it's a nice tool to analyze previous spun numbers, to check for any biasness or how to improve your own system. And to see which settings are most popular.

If you are interested to give it a test, let me know.

very interesting
count on me

[Anima-t3d]

very interesting
count on me

Thanks for your interest! I've sent you a PM.