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[marivo]

Very comprehensive and understandable!

[Bayes]

Hi IronSteel,

Thanks for posting the system. I have a question:

If our chart doesn't show a group that has had 5 or less hits, we wait for another cycle of 37 spins (this will make a total of 74 spins). If our chart shows after spin # 74 that one group has had the lowest appearance rate compared to the other three groups (for example, group of 1-9 has appeared 8 times and the other three groups has appeared 20 or more times each) we bet on the group with the lowest appearance rate. If after 74 spins our chart shows that two groups have had a lower appearance rate compared to the other two groups (this is the scenario which happens more often), we choose one of the two groups with the lower appearance rate and bet on it.

Is there any maximum number of times a group needs to hit after spin #74 in order for it to qualify?
Suppose after spin #74 there isn't much difference in the appearances of the 4 groups, do you still choose the group with the lowest appearance, even though it may not have hit much less than the other groups?

Also, you say you've been playing this for 6 months - approximately how many bets have you made in this period?

Cheers.

[GLC]

IronSteel,

Thanks for you courteous responses to our questions.

GLC

[GLC]

Ironsteel, as an expansion of your system please follow this link and your analysis of my additions will be much appreciated:

link:://rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=9062.new#new

I posted this under a new topic to keep this topic from getting too cluttered.

I don't mean to take anything away from Ironsteel's topic, just adding some extra ideas.

I have acknowledged Ironsteel as the author of the system and once again want to thank him for his willingness to share with us.

GLC

[IronSteel]

Hello again to everyone, I'm really glad to see how people are approaching my system under an analyst perspective, I'm sure you guys will find the way to adapt this system to your own comfort and optimize your results.

Now, to the new posts.

To marivo:

Thank you, I try to be as clear as I can on my explanations.

To Bayes:

"Is there any maximum number of times a group needs to hit after spin #74 in order for it to qualify?
Suppose after spin #74 there isn't much difference in the appearances of the 4 groups, do you still choose the group with the lowest appearance, even though it may not have hit much less than the other groups?"

From my records, I haven't seen this happen (yet). Most of the times there's at least one group that gets more hits compared to the other three groups or two groups with a higher appearance compared to the other two groups. (Even if you divide 74 in 4, it doesn't give you round up numbers, now add the zero and you will notice how hard it is to happen that the 4 groups appear  similar amount of times). So the answer to your question would be, if a scenario like that is given, I would still bet on the lowest appearance group, even if the difference is 3 or 4 hits less.

"Also, you say you've been playing this for 6 months - approximately how many bets have you made in this period?"

I play about an average of 20 sessions a month (in different days, of course). My sessions end as soon as I get my winnings (sometimes i choose to finish my session if I'm already +19 chips, other times i finish my session with more than 20 chips when my numbers get hit when i'm only +14 or +15 chips ahead).

To GLC:

It's great that you made an expansion of my system, I will check to it right away and give you my thoughts.

[Jeromin]

Hello Ironsteel,

Great system, very interesting. I'd be careful on trying to improve too much  on a system if it already works. Roulette is a tricky balancing act, too much tinkering may carry hidden costs.

After studying and testing a bulk of systems throughout the years, I arrived to the conclusion that the only key that can help us "control" random and can give us hope to beat the roulette's odd advantange (plus the dealer's training to control the spins within certain sectors of the wheel) is the Law of the Third and the Law of the 111 spins (which is also based on the law of the third).

I agree. The Law of the Third is the clearest route to success. The only short term regularity in this game is that numbers wake up at a  certain rate.

A couple of questions: If after 37 spins no group qualifies, is it necessary to wait another 37 spins? Why not simply keep adding new numbers and crossing off the furthest back ones, so that a qualifying group of 37 shows up is maybe 40 or 50 spins? It would then be as if we had arrived at the table 20 minutes later, and that new set of 37 spins, containing most of the  numbers in the initial 37 but not all, counted as a valid betting group. I don't mind waiting, but only when there's a reason for it.

Also,  have you tested it on isolated streets? I know different betting groups have been proposed, but streets seems like a natural one. I remember a system based on 6 sleeper streets that was surprisingly effective. Its downfal was its agressive progression, but it showed promisse. This could be a profitable variation.

I'm thinking that maybe a productive aproach would involve multimple betting options, so that at any time, on any given 37 spin set, a very attractive, sub five bet appears.

Time for testing.

Jeromin

[Jeromin]

Also, how about spreading the 1/3 increse in progression evenly? Increasing by one unit on one street risks it not being the street that hits next. How about starting with 3 units on all 3 streets and adding one unit every step?

so instead of:

1 1 1;
2 1 1;
2 2 1;
etc ( total 12u)

we have:

3 3 3;
4 4 4;
5 5 5;

etc. (total 36u=12x3)

This can be a problem if one is playing the minimum as basic unit, but as has been mentioned already, in online live dealer casinos and automatic wheels it is possible to find .25 basic units.

Jeromin

[GLC]

Let's see.  If I play on my quarter airball machine.  That's 9 quarters distributed 1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1.  If I lose I go to 2-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1.  If I lose again I go to 2-2-1-1-1-1-1-1-1 etc...  Since I can bet up to 100 quarters or $25.  I can go all the way to 11-11-11-11-11-11-11-11-11.  That's 99 quarters.  I would say that should give me a pretty wide range for having some hits.

The above progression is incorrect.  After losing on 1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1 the next bet should bet 2-2-2-1-1-1-1-1-1 and then 2-2-2-2-2-2-1-1-1 and then 2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2 and then 3-3-3-2-2-2-2-2-2 etc...  Increasing bets on 1 number each loss is too slow.

GLC

[hoper335]

Interesting!!

[Nasio]

I've been working on a system which is kinda similar for awhile now but this one could surpass it as it has the hallmarks of something special.

I've done a quick test of 2000 'spins' with pure random numbers and have modified the system a touch.

In 137 qualifiers, one of the nine numbers has appeared in the following 'spin', 28% of the time. If it keeps trending like it is, that could be a system in itself.

On the downside, it took 19 'spins' for one of the numbers to appear, on one occasion.

A proper test of a few thousand qualifiers needs to be done though.

Thanks for sharing, Iron Steel.

[IronSteel]

Hello to everyone.

I have been away from the forums for the past few days so I want to apologize to the people who I haven't replied to yet.

To Jeromin:

After 37 spins if no group qualifies, you have to wait for the next 37 spins and not just keep adding the numbers to your chart and pick your group by spin 40 or 50. The reason is because the chance to pick the "wrong" group in this case will be higher, and this is exactly why I wait for a complete 37 spin cycle: because waiting for the second 37 spin cycle to end will show to us with more clearance which is the group with the lower appearance rate. So if we spot a group with the lowest appearance rate by spin 50, chances are that this WILL be the group that  won't appear much within the follwing 24 spins, therefore this WILL be the group we will start betting AFTER spin #74. Remember that we seek to play a group with a clear delay in it's appearances after a certain ammount of spins, so if we spot a group with few hits early, why bet on it quickly if we are actually expecting it to have only a few more appearances within the next spins?

About the progression (this is for GLC as well) you can sure play it that way, as explained above my progression has only one purpose which is to make our bankroll last long enough to catch our numbers in the 37 spin cycle. In my case, my progression is very conservative because I play US$ 5 chip value, but with lower values and betting on straight up numbers playing as you guys are explaining it's the way to go.

To Nasio:

Thank you for the testing, I hope the results are as good to you as they are for me.

To everyone:

I know there is no such thing as "holy grail" roulette system or anything alike. Whoever says that he (or she) has designed an unbeatable system, that would just be an obscene lie.

I'm not saying and will never say that my system is unbeatable. Of course, someday I will lose with it or somebody else will show up saying he lost playing my system. I know this can happen.

I know that there's a big bulk of systems out there that look so good or promising, so the question is why should my system be more "special" than the others?. The answer is that there's no reason to it. My system is just as good or just as bad as any other system out there.

From all my experience, after all the systems I've played, thought about, tested on live wheels and on paper, all I can say is that the BEST system is the one that makes us win more times than the ones we lose IN THE LONG RUN, the one that MAKES US FEEL COMFORTABLE while playing it and the one WE TRUST and won't make us fall in desperation, making us play illogical progressions or change the rules of the system.

I've shared my system to give you one more tool to forge YOUR OWN BEST system. Good luck to all and please let me know if your doubts are clear now.

[ludo8400]

@IronSteel

I tested the system on xxxxxxxxxxxx ( first legal casino on line for roulette in Belgium, Casino de Spa) bet 0,1  EURO to 10 EURO max)

I was playing 3 games
first on 37 spins : Stopped winning after min 20 spin: +24
Second I must playing 74 spins and I won also 27 spin in less than 7 spins after starting.

The 3th game  also 74 spins and +27 and stopped I was bringing my saldo from +38 to 43,30 EUR

So , my opinion: nice game.



Ludo8400

[ludo8400]

 
@IRONSTEEL

777 units capital you need for your game for 37 SPINS;


But STOP WHEN  you are WINNING 20 UNITS WAS YOUR DEVICE



ludo 8400

[ludo8400]

@ every body

BET TABLE FOR 37 SPINS

ludo8400

[GLC]

@ every body

BET TABLE FOR 37 SPINS

ludo8400

Ludo,
Thanks for the chart.  These charts people contribute help others a lot.  It saves all of us having to compute it for ourselves and it helps correct some peoples understanding of the bet method in case they were confused.

GLC