Your roulette system search is over...

[HP]

Another week of testing this system.

I reached my stop limit several times and after all, I broke even.
So far, no profits.

[shazwad]

I have been trialling this system for the past couple of weeks and with 50p stakes and with a profit target of £10 I am now showing a very healthy balance and I would like to thank Ironsides for posting this system. However sometimes your progression can get very high and I once saw one group sleeping for 32 spins so you need quite a big bankroll until your numbers eventually hit.

[shazwad]

Sorry for typo, Ironsteel.!

[shazwad]

Is anyone else playing this and getting good results like me?

[GLC]

Another week of testing this system.

I reached my stop limit several times and after all, I broke even.
So far, no profits.

I think this is the summation of all roulette systems.  They're all based on the same odds so if you play long enough.....


Some move at a fast pace and others at a slower pace, but eventually they confirm the above statement.


Here's how every system works.  If you flat bet, you will move up and down with a gradual drift downwards.


If you use a progression with no stop loss, you will win a ton of small wins but eventually you will hit the table limits and have to give it back.


If you use a progression with a large stop loss you will mirror the last statement except that you will give it back at your stop loss which you will eventually hit often enough to wipe out your winnings.


If you use a short progression you will mirror the last statement except that your stop loss will be reached much quicker and more often but with the same results of giving all winnings back.


Etc...


No matter how complicated you make your system it makes no difference.  It's just a matter of time.


The reality is that not only will you give all your winnings back, but most will give more than you won back.


Some will be lucky and always be a winner.  Most will win and lose but gradually lose more and more.  A few will be unlucky and lose from the beginning.


Maybe there's no reason for the 2,000th post.


I have gone to the dark side.


Peace to all and enjoy the friendships.  In the end, that may be all you have left.


GLC

[MAX]

"...... i have gone to the dark side....."

I heard they have some cookies there..hope you enjoy it.

Regards
Max

[warrior]

I went to the darks side along time ago,but i like the adrenalin rush from time to time.

[Drazen]

I have gone to the dark side.


Peace to all and enjoy the friendships.  In the end, that may be all you have left.


GLC

This is one the best statements on the forum lately.
I am so happy for you in a way...
Me trying do to do same thing. Main problem here is that actualy road to the dark side is very long labyrinth in darkest darkness, so if you don't have iron will and torchbearer to help you, it is almost impossible to pass the labyrinth.
Also these torchbearers are very unusual and at the first sight "strange" guys,  not much interested in money, because they have it enough, so finding one and the reason why he would navigate you is totaly another fairy tale with happy end. I hope and envy you if you found one. 


Anyway, still here on this side, MM and good long lasting progression (doesn't have to be agressive necessary) is the key., and when our minister of progressions, after so many years and almost 2000 posts on this forum said he checked his ticket for the dark side, that tells all...


Regards


Drazen

[IronSteel]

Hello to everyone, first of all I want to apologize (again) for being away for quite long since my last post.

During these last weeks I experienced some hard sessions, from which I ended up losing a couple (didn't lose my whole bankroll though) but my final monthly balance is positive still.

To robeenhut:

Extremely lucky or not, I've had and I'm still having positive results with this system. This system needs to be played with extreme caution, as 1 or 2 numbers written "wrongfully" can change this systems result's drastically. You said you've tested this with 5k live spins, how much time did this take you, as counting the numbers and playing this demands focusing and a decent ammount of time?. When I started testing my system in permanences, It took me around 2 hours per 111 spins, even using an Excel sheet.

My system is not just about sleepers, it's also about combining a winning and safe progression that will guarantee you a positive result at last in most oportunities. As I've already stated, there's no system which is 100% effective, and there will never be one (I even had a couple of negative sessions during these past weeks). The only effective system is the one you trust and which rules you will follow to the very end. I invite you to sit in a live wheel for 3-4 hours, test my system, and come back saying it doesn't work.

To HP:

Sorry to hear you had a bad turn playing my system. You said you added some personal touches, will results had changed if you would've followed the initial rules? Also, did you play it on online roulette or live wheel?

I hope to get an answer from you.

To schzwad:

Glad to know you're having positive results.

To GLC:

I already said, in an older post, that such thing as a "holy grail" system doesn't exist and NEVER will. Sorry to see you just realized this after 2k posts. Experienced gamblers know that losing sessions happen, and will always keep happening. The key is to persevere, have a cold mind and keep going on playing the system you believe it works. This is the system I trust even if I had a couple of losing sessions, and a ton of gamblers I know in real play their own system, everyone with positive balance after many, many sessions.

Again, if you browsed these forums since your post # 1 expecting to find a "miraculous" system, I'm sorry to say you were never going to find it and never will. In fact, nobody ever has, otherwise Casino's (or roulette wheels at least) wouldn't exist at all.

Take some time off roulette, and come back after some months with a clean mentality and start all over again starting from the fact that there is no such thing as a 100% winner system. I'm sure your approach to roulette and the systems exposed in these forums will change.

To Drazen:

I got your pm several months ago and replied to you. I know you're a young and keen roulette student. I hope to hear from you when you start hitting the tables and start winning, either playing this system or the one's you have developed. As said to GLC, just don't seek what doesn't exist, and you will do just fine.

Im really sorry if I have been a little harsh on my replies, but I was clear since the beginning: I will just take critics as valid if they come from someone who has sat in a live wheel table for 3-4 hours, played the system strictly as I've exposed, and lost. States as "I've tested this system in 10000000 spins from some website" mean nothing to me. I trust this system, it has worked for me as I've exposed it, and I've shared it to be used as I've brought it (or adapted to anyone's likings).

Good luck to all

[GARNabby]

The key is to persevere, have a cold mind and keep going on playing the system you believe it works.

That's how beliefs become reality.

[Bayes]

The key is to persevere, have a cold mind and keep going on playing the system you believe it works.

In my experience this is the worst thing you can do. Believing a system works doesn't make it work. Persevering is fine when the system is working, but if it isn't, that's when you get into trouble. You need to be flexible and have several strategies (a "portfolio" if you like); knowing when to abandon a method and start a different one is the hardest thing to learn, it's more of an art than a science.

[mogul397]

Every time I read discussions about any method that loses, always
just leads me to wondering why not just bet the opposite.

And win.

I relalize that some methods do not allow this to happen logically
because of the betting scheme, but most do.

[Robeenhuut]

Hello to everyone, first of all I want to apologize (again) for being away for quite long since my last post.

During these last weeks I experienced some hard sessions, from which I ended up losing a couple (didn't lose my whole bankroll though) but my final monthly balance is positive still.

To robeenhut:

Extremely lucky or not, I've had and I'm still having positive results with this system. This system needs to be played with extreme caution, as 1 or 2 numbers written "wrongfully" can change this systems result's drastically. You said you've tested this with 5k live spins, how much time did this take you, as counting the numbers and playing this demands focusing and a decent ammount of time?. When I started testing my system in permanences, It took me around 2 hours per 111 spins, even using an Excel sheet.

My system is not just about sleepers, it's also about combining a winning and safe progression that will guarantee you a positive result at last in most oportunities. As I've already stated, there's no system which is 100% effective, and there will never be one (I even had a couple of negative sessions during these past weeks). The only effective system is the one you trust and which rules you will follow to the very end. I invite you to sit in a live wheel for 3-4 hours, test my system, and come back saying it doesn't work.

To HP:

Sorry to hear you had a bad turn playing my system. You said you added some personal touches, will results had changed if you would've followed the initial rules? Also, did you play it on online roulette or live wheel?

I hope to get an answer from you.

To schzwad:

Glad to know you're having positive results.

To GLC:

I already said, in an older post, that such thing as a "holy grail" system doesn't exist and NEVER will. Sorry to see you just realized this after 2k posts. Experienced gamblers know that losing sessions happen, and will always keep happening. The key is to persevere, have a cold mind and keep going on playing the system you believe it works. This is the system I trust even if I had a couple of losing sessions, and a ton of gamblers I know in real play their own system, everyone with positive balance after many, many sessions.

Again, if you browsed these forums since your post # 1 expecting to find a "miraculous" system, I'm sorry to say you were never going to find it and never will. In fact, nobody ever has, otherwise Casino's (or roulette wheels at least) wouldn't exist at all.

Take some time off roulette, and come back after some months with a clean mentality and start all over again starting from the fact that there is no such thing as a 100% winner system. I'm sure your approach to roulette and the systems exposed in these forums will change.

To Drazen:

I got your pm several months ago and replied to you. I know you're a young and keen roulette student. I hope to hear from you when you start hitting the tables and start winning, either playing this system or the one's you have developed. As said to GLC, just don't seek what doesn't exist, and you will do just fine.

I'm really sorry if I have been a little harsh on my replies, but I was clear since the beginning: I will just take critics as valid if they come from someone who has sat in a live wheel table for 3-4 hours, played the system strictly as I've exposed, and lost. States as "I've tested this system in 10000000 spins from some website" mean nothing to me. I trust this system, it has worked for me as I've exposed it, and I've shared it to be used as I've brought it (or adapted to anyone's likings).

Good luck to all

Hola Ironsteel

I have 38 sets of live wheel spins from SM - about 7k. I went quickly through few sets and noticed gaps of over 20 between hits in section with with least amount of hits (5 or less). Without any tests  i know from probability charts that 9 numbers can sleep easily over 20 spins. Just do your math. I see dozen sleep over 20 quite often.  I'm not sure here that you can risk your BR waiting for first hit and you need more than one hit usually to be in profit. Only some stop-loss might help. You don't work on large sample of spins to except different results.  From our friend Bayes charts you will see that you will get 25 spins without hit as often as any EC repeat for 10 spins.
Use any probability calculator.

Regards

[downthehatch]

I think this is the summation of all roulette systems.  They're all based on the same odds so if you play long enough.....


Some move at a fast pace and others at a slower pace, but eventually they confirm the above statement.


Here's how every system works.  If you flat bet, you will move up and down with a gradual drift downwards.


If you use a progression with no stop-loss, you will win a ton of small wins but eventually you will hit the table limits and have to give it back.


If you use a progression with a large stop-loss you will mirror the last statement except that you will give it back at your stop-loss which you will eventually hit often enough to wipe out your winnings.


If you use a short progression you will mirror the last statement except that your stop-loss will be reached much quicker and more often but with the same results of giving all winnings back.


Etc...


No matter how complicated you make your system it makes no difference.  It's just a matter of time.


The reality is that not only will you give all your winnings back, but most will give more than you won back.


Some will be lucky and always be a winner.  Most will win and lose but gradually lose more and more.  A few will be unlucky and lose from the beginning.


Maybe there's no reason for the 2,000th post.


I have gone to the dark side.


Peace to all and enjoy the friendships.  In the end, that may be all you have left.


GLC

brilliant post, players who win actually win in spite of their systems rather than because of it, they are simply lucky!!

[IronSteel]

To Bayes and GARNabby:

By "persevere" I don't mean that you should keep playing the same day when you're actually noticing that you're in a bad losing streak. What I mean by "persevere" is to know when to cut the bad streak, and come back the next day or the next few days and try it again. But, of course, if you're a casual gambler, it would best suit you to play a system for 1 or 2 sessions, and if it doesn't work simply switch to another one, and so on.

Perseverance means to play the system in a decent ammount of sessions, from which you should finally determine if it works or not, and it definately doesn't mean to continue digging the hole when you're already inside it.

To Robeenhut,

Like you said yourself, you havent even tested the system. I just hope, whatever analysis you're making about this system, you're doing it correctly. I don't have the time nor the will to discuss about the math basis of my system with you, though what you say is right (simple law of the third math).

I really don't want to continue arguing with anyone here anymore. I brought my system here to share it with the community and to discuss about it if necessary, for whoever feels like giving it a shot. This system has brought me optimal results, and it's my most sincere desire that everyone else can have this positive results as well. Perhaps at some point I'll lose all the profits I've made so far? Anything can happen, this is what roulette is about, isn't it?

I'll begone from the forums for good now, wishing the best of lucky to all of you.

Best regards,

Miguel