Does anyone have an average for this?

[MrJ]

I was thinking about that. At what POINT are we starting to look for the three numbers? I think the overall results would be roughly the same. Maybe not exactly but close enough for testing purposes.  Ken

[Kav]

Hi Mr J,

Version 2) would need much more spins than 1).

[MrJ]

Bayes did it at around 1 million trials. Even if he did 5 million, IMO, I dont think the 'average' would be that different.  Ken

[Bayes]

I took it from Ken's first post that he was looking for 2) :

I need to know WHEN the average would be (how many spins) a complete street hits. Any street, in any order. Such as 17, 16, 18.  

If you meant 1), that's quite a different problem. As I understand it, it means whatever the first number is to hit (in your current session) you then see how long it takes the corresponding street to complete. Say 14 is the first number (which belongs to street 13-15), you then wait to see how long it takes for 13 and 15 to hit, but this is the same as waiting for any two particular (preselected) numbers to hit, which could be hundreds of spins.

The reason 1) takes longer than 2) is because you're waiting on a particular street to complete (which is determined by the very first spin), whereas in 2) you're not.

[MrJ]

"you're waiting on a particular street to complete" >>> Correct Bayes. All I was looking for (for betting purposes) is for the first street (any street) to get all 3 hits. Ken

[albalaha]

No roulette simulation, software or even real wheel can exactly tell you as to when a street or its numbers turn sleeper. By all these, the maximum that you can do is sampling of possible events, but you can not get any conclusion. Betting on sleeper can be a blunder without comparison.

[MrJ]

This method and question have nothing to do with sleepers.  Ken

[albalaha]

Dear Ken,
           By sleeper I mean a number which has yet to turn up for a while. You are looking for a street to complete, so far I could understand your concepts. In such situation, if 2 & 3 have turned up you would bet on 1. Here 1 may turn sleeper. Correct me if I misunderstood.