1 X 2 Dozens System

[GLC]

First off, I want to give Hermes credit for stimulating my thinking which resulted in the idea for this system.  I chose the name, which can be changed if Hermes feels like I have violated some patent that he holds for systems that start with the ? X ? pattern, because I think it's pretty descriptive of the system.

As with all the systems I publish, there's nothing new "under the sun" as a very wise man once wrote.  Just put a few things together in different ways.

This, as the title indicates, is a dozens and/or columns system. 
Begin by betting on the penultimate dozen.
If it loses, bet on the two dozens that didn't hit.

That's it.  But don't be fooled by thinking this is a silly way to play.

I haven't told you about the progression.

First, you bet 1 unit on the penultimate dozen.  If you win, +2.  Do it again.
If you lose, you bet 2 units on each of the 2 dozens that didn't just hit.
If you lose this spin, you will have lost 5 units on the last two spins.
Now bet 3 units on the penultimate dozen.
If you win, you will have recovered your 5 lost units plus 1.
If you lose, bet 4 units on each of the two dozens that didn't just hit.
If you win, you will have recovered the 3 units you just lost plus 1.
Bet 3 units again on the penultimate dozen.
If you win you will be plus 2 so start over with 1 unit on penultimate dozen.
If you lose 4 bets in a row, you will be down 16 units.
Bet 8 units on the penultimate dozen.
If you win, start over with 1 unit.
If you lose, bet 9 units on each of the 2 dozens that didn't hit.
If you win, you will recover your 8 uniits lost  plus 1 so bet 8 units again on the penultimate dozen.  Etc...

The progression is:
1 unit on 1 dozen then 2 units on 2 dozens
3 units on 1 dozen then 4 units on 2 dozens
8 units on 1 dozen then 9 units on 2 dozens
21 units on 1 dozen and 22 units on 2 dozens

Anytime you win on the penultimate bet, you will have recovered your losses plus at least 1 unit.
Start over with 1 unit.
You can carry the progression this as far as you want.  I have been testing it and haven't gotten to 21 units on the penultimate yet.
Every time you win on the 2 dozens bet, you win a unit and if you want, you can adjust your penultimate bet so that a win just puts you ahead.  As Victor says, conscious betting.
Think about it and you'll know what I mean.

As you can see, I don't have a stop loss or win yet.  Maybe some of you can help with that.

Happy testing,

George

[GLC]

A short example just to answer any questions before they're asked.


Dozen spun   penultimate bet    double dozen bet   win/loss   total
2
1
2                    1 unit on 2nd doz          NA                        +2        +2
1                    1 unit on 1st doz          NA                        +2        +4
3                    1 unit on 2nd doz         NA                        -1          +3
1                               NA               2 units on 1&2            +2         +5
2                    1 unit on 3rd dozen      NA                         -1         +4
2                               NA               2 units on 1&3             -4          0
1                    3 units on 2nd doz       NA                         -3          -3
3                              NA                4 units on 2&3            +4         +1
1                    3 units on 1st doz        NA                        +6         +7
1                    1 unit on 3rd doz           NA                        -1          +6
3                             NA                 2 units on  2&3            +2         +8
etc....           
           
Decission:  You'll note from the above spins that when I lost on doz 2 twice in a row, the next bet is doz 2 again since it is the penultimate doz, but I have just seen 2 in a row and so I'm thinking it'll be better to go back to the 1st doz instead of betting for the 2nd dozen to hit 3 times in a row. 

Any suggestions?

George               

[GLC]

Update!

I have found the Achilles heel to this system.  It is none other than the dreaded doubles.  When the dozens come as follows: 1-1, 3-3, 2-2, 3-3, 1-1 etc it's a killer.  We always miss the penultimate bet and we always miss the double dozen bet because it hits the same as the just spun dozen.  Oh well, until this sequence arrives, this system generates a good return on your time.  I don't know if there's a way to handle the doublets or not.  Any ideas are appreciated.  Otherwise, I'm afraid this one will have to go into the archives.

Drat,

George

[Jordan]

My friend I really appriciate the effort that you are making in all of your systems.
But you should know that all systems are same!There are no good and bad systems.
Every system has an Achilles heel and it is more than enough to make it a loser.
whatever you will be doing with any system you will always in the long run lose close to the -2.7.

I was like you before a couple of years...all the time making systems.

Unfortunarelly it is a full waste of time,because no one can Trap the Randomness.
The Randomness will always find the way to tank all the systems.
And all these because of the advantage of the  Simple Maths that is always to the Roulette favour!
You will always have 37 numbers on the wheel and you will always be payed with 35 chips after a win in a sungle number.
Exactly the same is happening with all the bets (Doz.col.Ecs etc)

Try to understand that I am on your side!!! But I am just trying to save your free time

I know 100% that this game is an obsession!
We all think that by finding the consistent winning system we will abandon our day jobs and start being millioners!
Yes it a very nice dream!The best!
But If you are a long time in the forums you will realise that the members that were telling that they had a winning system were LAYING all of them or they thought that they had a winnier but after some more testing spins they were finding out that their system was also a loser like all the other systems!

Roulette is the ONLY Casino game that all the people want to explore it so much!
And this is because there is the number BOARD with the past outcomes!
people think that the past spins can help them to predict according to a system the best betting position!
This is just a Gambling Fallacy!

There are some people that claim that they have a long term winner!
BUT no one has ever posted ONE! why? because it doesn't exist and it can t exist because the Maths can t allow it!
And the 80% of the people that were claiming that they has a winning system thwy were exposed as scams!

2reason for someone to claim it has a winning system
a)sell the system and make money from it!(because they can t make with it money in real)
b)gain a little glory among the members in the forums

Both reasons are SCAMS!!

In all the forums the same story goes on and on for decades!

The Newbies are trying to beat the game(because they don t know that it can t been beaten)
The old members are doing 2 things!
a)they are leaving the forums and the game because they finally realised that it can t been beaten
b)They are staying in the forums because they are addected but they are just there to descrise the newbies systems because they know the hard truth!That Roulette can t been beaten!

[GLC]

Jordan,

I appreciate where you're coming from.  I know that there's a lot of wisdom in what you are saying.  I am almost ready to take the last step over the chasm of "just maybe it''s possible" onto your side of "it's impossible in the long run".

As you said, it is a form of addiction.  But, there are worse addictions in the world than this.  This is a community with a unified objective and I enjoy the comradship.  The thing that keeps my hopes alive is that some of the members have either stated out-right or implied that they have one or multiple methods they are using that is providing them with an alternative source of income.  People like Victor, Iboba, Hermes, MrJ, and others MattJono, RPRO, Turbo, Winkle,  Nathan, etc... (Please, I know there are many others I haven't listed here.  I don't consider this a complete list and I don't mean to slight anyone.)

These appear to me to be sincere, honest individuals who are telling us the truth.  I can't believe you can get that many pathological liars together in forums like this.

As long as I still enjoy to challenge, the process and the "fellowship", limited as it is, I will continue to count myself as a fellow seeker on this centuries-old quest.

I pray nothing less than the very best for you Jordan.  I know that what you write is what you honestly believe.  I'm just not ready to accept it to the point of throwing in the towel.

Your Friend,

George

[buffalowizard]

Well said George,

I completely concur and it makes a change to read a reply of such integrity, without the vindictiveness attached, as is all too common when these discussions take place.
We've all been down the same roads in this game, some further than others, so we should all at least show some respect.

BW

[ewarwoowar]

fascinating, guys!

i'm with you george and buffalo on this one.

george, for what it's worth, i always appreciate your posts. they're always considered and respectful.

jordan, i suspect that you've 'given up' and are on a mission now to dissuade anybody who thinks that they may just find something.

of course you won't ever find the HG on a forum like this. all you will find are pointers and ideas as people search for the answer.
this doesn't mean that a HG in one form or another doesn't exist.
if a HG was made public on an open forum, it wouldn't be too long before the casinos took counter measures and made it harder for us to play, maybe even not having roulette tables at all in the casino.

as for gambler's fallacy, this one always makes me laugh.
of course the wheel has no memory and of course each spin is totally independent etc etc.
how come we never see 100 reds then?
gamblers fallacy and random are in my opinion, largely tools for maths people to use to try and convince the rest of us that it's a futile search.

thanks a lot, but i'll keep looking!


just my take on it. 

[Jordan]

U can all keep looking till you are 100 years old...no problem!

But Victor never said that he has a way to have an other income than his job and I know him for 3 years now!
MattJono also never claimed that he has a winning method,I also know him 3 years(when he was a post maniac in VLS...he is a very nice kid and he has lost a lot of money in roulette gambling!)
Turbo also never claimed that hw can win in roulette in long term!  
Nathan is an APer! yes if he has nice conditions maybe he can win in the long term!

I can see from all your posts that you are a very nice man GLC,,,,
U will find out the hard tryth in some years from now....

Just every time that u will be making a system...ask ur self "what is the reason of this ti be able to win more than it will lose"
If can t find an answer then it doesn t worth even to be tested!

with VB or Bias u can know why u will win if u will chose to play in the wheel that is showing the correct conditions....
but without AP the only we have is possibilites and as we all know they aren t a correct reason to win....because all the system that are based on them are losers!

As for finding a movement that happens more or less from the others ..this si just a fairytale!

[buffalowizard]

Hi Jordan,

You yourself have posted many systems. I was wondering when you finally threw the towel in and gave up on the mechanical ways?

BW

[Jordan]

Buffalo my man

Didn t i posted something about addiction?
I admite it! I am not a lier!

[GLC]

I'm not giving up on this system.  I mentioned at the beginning that I came up with this idea by reading some of Hermes' systems and one thing that he pushes is to not bet on sleepers.  So I'm thinking that when I lose the penultimate and I bet on 2 dozens, maybe I should bet on the last 2 dozens to have spun instead of the 2 furthest back.  That will eliminate my concern for the doublets because they will result in wins instead of losses.

I think this idea of betting on a single dozen for a good win and if you lose, then use a double dozen bet to try and recover is a good idea.  The chances of the hit on the double dozen is pretty good which gives you another try at a single dozen win.  I could keep the double dozen bet at a unit size to just recover the penultimate bet with no profit, but I hate to lose that single unit win when the double hits which it does very often.

Some tweaks on the bet  progression may be in order.  Maybe climb at a slower pace instead of trying to recover everything in a single win.  Possibly splitting it so we take 2 wins to recover, or even 3 wins.  It would be much less volatile but could get you into one of those holes that take a real grind to get out of.

Any ideas would be very appreciated.  Test this last tweak and I think you'll find it an easy system to play and quite profitable.  Worthy of some interest.

George

[Jordan]

Yes I have an idea!

Let s say that U bet the penult. doz 2
and the doz 1 Hit and lost.
then you are betting the 2 and 3 and the 1 hit again and you lost!

Then in an other spin you are betting the penult doz 3 and the 2 hit and you lost!
then you are betting the 1 and 3 and you lost again!

Roulette can do this allllllllllllll day long!

Roulette doesn't owe you anything to follow your desire pattern!or any other pattern!

Just learn Advantage-play if you really need to make money from this game!
and have a lottttttttt of patience and huge BR!

[GLC]

Yes I have an idea!

Let s say that U bet the penult. doz 2
and the doz 1 Hit and lost.
then you are betting the 2 and 3 and the 1 hit again and you lost!

Then in an other spin you are betting the penult doz 3 and the 2 hit and you lost!
then you are betting the 1 and 3 and you lost again!

Roulette can do this allllllllllllll day long!

Roulette doesn't owe you anything to follow your desire pattern!or any other pattern!

Just learn Advantage-play if you really need to make money from this game!
and have a lottttttttt of patience and huge BR!

Thanks for your advice Jordan.  I know that any combination that can hurt will happen and can happen more times than you want.  Most of the time we lose not by 2.7%, but by having such a bad streak that it eats up our bankroll.  That's why some casinos offer non-zero roulette, because they have more money than we do.

Please, if you don't have a constructive suggestion regarding this system, refrain from posting.

George

[GLC]

Okay Gents and Ladies (if there are any)  here's how I've been playing this system and it's getting better.

Same method of play as above. Bet the penultimate dozen.  If win, repeat.
If you lose the pen bet, bet the pen bet +1 on the last 2 dozens to hit.

The progression is:
1
2,2
3
4,4
5
6,6
7
8,8
9
10,10
11
12,12
13
14,14
15
16,16
17
18,18
etc...

Set you own stop loss.  I have a session win target of 50 units or a stop loss of 250 units.

Occasionally it can get in a hole, but due to it's high hit ratio, it usually pulls itself out pretty quickly.  Keep track of your highest unit total and use a conscious decision to lower the penultimate bet if a lower bet will get you back to a new high.

I'll assume that eventually some of you will read this and maybe offer some input.

Thanks,

George

[GLC]

Okay, so I guess I'm talking to myself.  Please feel free to listen in.  I may eventually peak some interest.

New tweak.   Betting penultimate once doesn't appear to be stable enough.  So, let's bet the penultimate twice before betting on the double dozens.

In other words we'll be 1 units on the penultimate dozen.  If it loses, we'll bet 1 unit on the new penultimate dozen.  If the new penultimate dozen is the same as the last dozen, we'll bet the 3rd dozen back.
Example:  The last 3 dozens were 2,1,2.  You bet doz 1, the penultimate dozen.  Dozen 2 spins.  You lose.  You now have dozens 2,1,2,2.  Instead of betting doz 2 for your second penultimate bet, bet doz 1 since dozen 2 has hit 2X in a row already.  If you lose the second penultimate bet, add together the amount lost on the two penultimate bets and bet that amount on each of the last two dozens to hit.  In this case, let's say dozen 3 hit so we have 2,1,2,2,3 which means we will bet on dozen 2 & 3.
A win on the double dozen bet will recover the units lost on the last two penultimate bets and we can start over at this betting level.  When we are at a higher bankroll overall, we start back at 1 unit.

Here's a safe and slow progression:
1
1
2,2
2
2
3,3
3
3
4,4
4
4
5,5
etc...

More aggressive:
1
1
2,2
2
2
4,4
3
3
6,6
5
5
10,10
8
8
16,16
13
13
26,26
21
21
42,42
34
34
68,68

Very Aggressive:
1
1
2,2
2
2
4,4
4
4
8,8
8
8
16,16
16
16
32,32
32
32
64,64

Test it a little and see what you're missing.  I'm having excellent results with this.  I'd appreciate anyone doing even a short test and let me know how you come out.  It could be that I'm just the luckiest person in the world, and you can save me some time and money.

Thanks,

GLC