4 X 4 DRIVE System

[Hermes]

Check the 3rd FIGURE strategy to get more impression. And now combine 4x4 with the 3rd Figure to blow off the hat.
Hermes

[eluka]

Hello forum:)

Why has this thread fallen back so far? This method of play seems pretty solid and I would like to say a thanks to Hermes for sharing it (and bikemotorman with Hermes permission for first posting it on the old forum). 

I've recently re-visited this method after a hiatus from roulette and whilst the original way of playing holds up ok I feel there are a sufficient number of Ls to take advantage of.   Ls pay 2 units to 1 and I've done some back and forward tests I'd like to share.   If anyone still has some tests from the past or would like to do some more, could they please share them here?

From my tests I'm yet to see more than 8 Ws in a row.   This means a 9-step prog on a single dozen would win every time but that is an expensive prog so better to wait for a 2 or 3 Ws before starting betting - well actually there's a few different approaches available with this.   I conceed that this will lose at some point so the if the progression is short enough there should (and is from my tests so far) be enough wins to cover the losses. 

Having said that I've yet to see it go past 8 Ws and waiting for 2 or 3 Ws before betting seems to be the best middle ground so far.   I will show my findings in the next post, please if you can reply with opinions, constructive criticism or suggestions :)

[eluka]

Playing the Ls - 4x4 Drive:

These are from about 500 spins ex.   Dublinbet, perhaps not enough proof but hopefully a good indication of things to come.   I have tested with 2 progressions which I will call D2 and D3:
either waited for 2 Ws and played 7 steps or waited for 3 Ws and played 6 steps. 

prog/steps       prog          total units  total won   bankrolls won
D2 6 step:   1 1 2 3 4 6         17             +67              3.  9
D2 7 step    1 1 2 3 4 6 9      26             +110            4.  2
D3 6 step    1 2 3 4 6 9         25             +124            4.  96
D3 7 step    1 2 3 4 6 9 14    39             +168            4.  3

So from this little test it seems the more aggressive D3 6 step progression is the best? It wins nearly 5 bankrolls and a loss or even 2 would still have left in profit.   The D3 7 step obviously wins more but I'm yet to determine if it's worth risking 39 units.   

How did these same numbers go flat betting and playing continuously? This isn't entirely accurate as it was only a spin-off of the above test and the true results would include back to back Ls (remember we're hunting the Ls, so 2 or more in a row is good for this) thus the end result would actually be more.   These are the total figures even having lost a few progressions as there were some stretches of 7 and 8 Ws. 

prog/steps  result
D2 6 step  +17
D2 7 step  +80
D3 6 step  +13
D3 7 step  +153

Feedback/suggestions welcome, thanks for reading :)

[eluka]

Thought I better post an example just so it's clear.   
Playing with basic 4x4 strategy, I like to start with LC but it shouldn't matter, can start with LD if you prefer.    I'll use a 112346 progression for this example, remember, we are betting for an L, so a W or L is a win or a loss for the traditional 4x4.    When an L shows up it is actually a win for us!

28
12    LC are now set
11    LC lose switch to LD
35    W for LD
15    L for LD back to LC
9      W
3      W
18    W - 3 Ws trigger to start betting for an L ie bet for the last 2 columns to lose
30    W (loss)
12    W (loss)
22    L (win) +2.    Switch to LD and resume tracking wait for 3 more Ws
11    W
10    W
16    W 3 Ws start betting
2      W (loss)
12    W (loss)
21    W (loss)
8      W (loss)
2      W (loss)
29    L (win) +1.    Went deep into the prog this time - not common.   
                          Switch to LC
1      L switch to LD
19    L switch to LC
10    W
13    W
32    W 3 Ws start betting
23    W (loss)
20    W (loss)
15    L (win) +2 and switch to LDs

Now this is just an example of how it CAN be played and from my tests one of the better ways but is not the be-all and end-all.   
You could wait for more or less Ws, play with a shorter or longer progression, or play continuously looking for nice clumps of Ls.   

[Kattila]

The classic 4 x 4 is for two doz/col, you are playing some anti 4 x 4(play for catch the Ls) so
you play/test one dozen or column. No matter what you play/test if you have good results.
Why don't you try this anti 4 x4 for one doz/col with a positive progression also adviced
by Hermes:  +1 at W / at 3 Ls -1  ( you still can use your  trigger : then bet).

cheers

[bikemotorman]

Hey Guys,

    No I am not dead in fact I am quite well lol.
I played this way with getting some wins chasing Ls for the past couple of days using a fibo progression, the results are great but we need to be careful of fighting a trend on the dozens or columns.
If we are not careful we can lose our shirts playing 2 cols or 2 dozs.

Now you guys know I start on Lds and on a loss switch to Lcs.

I have not seen six straight LLLLLLs in almost a year.

The virtual count of Ls really helps to protect the bankroll.

Hey Hermes how are you doing?


           Stuart Brandt

[bikemotorman]

I saw yesterday sixteen WWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWs in a row.
But I was playing on the third dozen to hit, my bad just play money, on real money I would have a stop loss when chasing the Ls for the dozen or column to make for a L.


          Stuart

[eluka]

Why don't you try this anti 4 x4 for one doz/col with a positive progression

cheers

I have not seen six straight LLLLLLs in almost a year.

I saw 6Ls at a live table (B&M casino) just recently.  It would be nice to know when they're coming:
bet $50 - win $150
bet $150 - win $450
bet $450 - win $1350
bet $1350 - win $4050
bet $4050 - win $12150
bet $12150 - win $36450
Of course table limits might be a problem and I don't think anyone in their right mind would attempt a 6 spin parlay.

Stuart, long runs of Ws are not common when switching back and forth between dozens and columns as the 4x4 drive does, as you said use a stop loss or keep the progression down, you will win more than you lose.

[Hermes]

eluka, if you can wait for 2 or 3 L's (LL or LLL) and then attack you will never lose and would need much less bankroll to cover the progression. I also never saw more than 6 L's in my whole carrier on dozens. You have dozens and columns to look for triggers (LL or LLL),  Plenty of triggers.
It is an excellent dream catcher!
I am now fully taken by my Forex HG project, therefore no time for gossips.
Cheers Hermes

[bikemotorman]

That is good advice Hermes,

Here is some play today with the doz col method, now remember I start on the Lds and on a loss go to the Lcs.


WWWWWLLLLWWWLLWWWWWLLLWLLWW0WWLWWWWWW0W  DONE

When I had five Ws I would play for a L on the single doz or col that is not the LDs or LCs.


Does that make sense guys.

Stuart

[bikemotorman]

How are you Hermes?

Are you well?

Stuart

[bikemotorman]

Ok Guys,

   Just played a 2 hour session on Jbet table 1, I had good results, I waited for the Lds or the Lcs to win 5 straight then I played the non lds or lcs single doz or col with a 10 step progression.

What do you guys think.


    Stuart

[Kattila]

Stuart,
You could play one year like that and win each time you  go to casino,
but also you can lose your 10 progr. steps in the next visit to the casino.
This is Roulette, no matter if you play to catch one doz. or col (the L) after 5 Ws,
or bet  two doz. or two col. after a few Ls.  Depends how lucky you are...

good luck

[buffalowizard]

Hi stuart,

If neither you nor Hermes have ever seen 6+ losses,(and I know you have played a hell of a lot of sessions of this)

Why don't you wait 3 losses in a row and then bet 1,3,9,27?

I know you have to wait around but must be next to a sure bet? Try and build br and then unit size

BW

[bikemotorman]

I did see 7 LLLLLLLs one time last year, but we must always be very careful to keep the bankroll safe.

If I were to wait for six Ls, there would be days I would not be able to play at all lol.

I am pretty sure with a 5000 dollar bankroll we would be able to make 500 profit per day.

A stop loss is very wise when chasing the Ls, but from what I can see the Ls can be a bit tricky, but safer then play two dozs or cols.

Also the US double zero wheel is a bit strange, and will streak on certain columns more then dozens, but overall the way I play seems to have great promise.

The funny thing is some guys think a situational playing method with a virtual loss tally will not work, but after playing this for almost a year it does work and well.

Can somebody run a test with this the way I play it, with not starting to play with real money until you have four Ls.


                 Stuart