4 X 4 DRIVE System

Hermes · Jun 21, 06:30 PM 2010

That's perfect chovek, thanks.
Hermes

warrior · Jul 31, 05:08 PM 2010

I think this is the best double dozen bet .

GLC · Jul 31, 08:55 PM 2010

Quote from: warrior on Jul 31, 05:08 PM 2010
I think this is the best double dozen bet .

Warrior,

How are you playing this? Continuous? Wait for LW, LLW, LLLW etc...? And what progression? Leveller or Atlantis' 5 at a level bet?

Thanks,

George

warrior · Jul 31, 09:57 PM 2010

Quote from: GLC on Jul 31, 08:55 PM 2010
Warrior,

How are you playing this? Continuous? Wait for LW, LLW, LLLW etc...? And what progression? Leveller or Atlantis' 5 at a level bet?

Thanks,

George

DEPENDS if i want to make a few units, hit and run i play continuous with the leveller,the safer way is to wait for a LW BOTH WORK WELL . W.

albalaha · Jul 31, 11:49 PM 2010

I personally feel that no one should copy someone's original ideas/systems and if he has to suggest some alterations, it should be done in the original thread itself.

Wally Gator · Aug 01, 12:41 PM 2010

Hermes, my friend. I'm obviously doing someting wrong. How about some help. Maybe it's my age!!!

Yikes! I'm playing 1/1/, 2/2, 4/4, remaining at 4/4 until in profit.

NO.
9
16
11
17
0
36
28
26
6
15
1
11
34
27
30
23
32
4
32
8
13
15
30
4
13
8
34
13
26
1
30
11
5
1
29
36
19
20
26
30
36
21
21
14
8
4
36
30
35
5
18
24
10
34
26
11
21
33
25
9
23
35
13
24
18
8
11
15
3
17
10
17
23
33
19
3
9
20
24
33
22
16
24
6
9
26
26
22
30
1
5
34
22
4
7
20
8
34
8
12
2
28
20
9
30
20
30
29
22
27
14
32
8
24
22
17
7
4
7
33
24
3
1
26
4
5
6
19
22
4
15
23
33
2
32
21
26
27
6
7
7
22
32
22
35
13
1
28
11
23
5
26
13
36
15
6
35
16
13
0
11
14
10
29
29
20
31
2
16
1
5
16
27
3
33
29
29
9
34
29
2
32
22
0
17
0
20
10
7
1
28
34
25
36
4
17
34
31
5
8
6
4
24
4
15
17
30
20
13
15
34
19
15
7
7
34
1

DZ
1
2
1
2
0
3
3
3
1
2
1
1
3
3
3
2
3
1
3
1
2
2
3
1
2
1
3
2
3
1
3
1
1
1
3
3
2
2
3
3
3
2
2
2
1
1
3
3
3
1
2
2
1
3
3
1
2
3
3
1
2
3
2
2
2
1
1
2
1
2
1
2
2
3
2
1
1
2
2
3
2
2
2
1
1
3
3
2
3
1
1
3
2
1
1
2
1
3
1
1
1
3
2
1
3
2
3
3
2
3
2
3
1
2
2
2
1
1
1
3
2
1
1
3
1
1
1
2
2
1
2
2
3
1
3
2
3
3
1
1
1
2
3
2
3
2
1
3
1
2
1
3
2
3
2
1
3
2
2
0
1
2
1
3
3
2
3
1
2
1
1
2
3
1
3
3
3
1
3
3
1
3
2
0
2
0
2
1
1
1
3
3
3
3
1
2
3
3
1
1
1
1
2
1
2
2
3
2
2
2
3
2
2
1
1
3
1

DZ TO PLAY
0
0
1/2
1/2
1/2
1/2
1/2X
2/3
2/3
2/3X
1/3
2/3
2/3X
1/2
1/2X
1/3
1/3X
1/2X
2/3X
1/2X
2/3X
1/3X
1/2
1/2X
2/3X
1/3X
2/3X
1/2X
1/3X
1/2X
2/3X
1/2X
2/3X
1/3
1/3
1/3
1/3
1/3X
2/3
2/3
2/3
2/3
2/3
2/3
2/3
2/3X
1/2
1/2X
1/3
1/3
1/3
1/3X
1/2
1/2
1/2X
1/3
1/3
1/3X
1/2X
2/3
2/3X
1/3X
1/2X
1/3X
2/3
2/3X
1/2
1/2
1/2
1/2
1/2
1/2
1/2
1/2
1/2X
1/3X
2/3X
1/2
1/2
1/2
1/2X
1/3X
2/3
2/3
2/3X
1/2
1/2X
1/3
1/3X
1/2X
2/3X
1/3
1/3
1/3X
2/3X
1/2
1/2
1/2
1/2X
2/3X
1/3
1/3
1/3
1/3X
2/3X
1/2X
1/3X
1/2X
2/3
2/3
2/3
2/3
2/3
2/3X
1/3X
1/2
1/2
1/2
1/2
1/2
1/2X
1/3X
2/3X
1/2
1/2X
2/3X
1/3
1/3
1/3X
1/2
1/2
1/2
1/2
1/2X
2/3X
1/2X
1/3X
1/2X
2/3
2/3X
1/3
1/3
1/3X
1/2X
1/3X
1/2X
1/3X
2/3X
1/2X
2/3X
1/3X
2/3X
1/2X
1/3X
1/2X
1/3X
2/3X
1/2X
1/3X
2/3
2/3
2/3X
1/3X
2/3X
1/2X
1/3
1/3X
1/2X
2/3X
1/3X
2/3X
1/2
1/2
1/2X
2/3X
1/2X
1/3
1/3
1/3
1/3
1/3
1/3
1/3
1/3X
1/3X
2/3
2/3
2/3
2/3X
1/2
1/2
1/2X
1/3
1/3
1/3
1/3
1/3X
1/2X
2/3
2/3X
1/3
1/3
1/3
1/3X
2/3X
1/3X
1/2
1/2X
1/3X
2/3
2/3
2/3
2/3
2/3
2/3X
1/2
1/2X

W/L
0
0
W
W
L
L
L
W
L
W
W
L
W
L
L
L
W
W
W
W
W
L
L
W
W
W
W
W
W
W
W
W
L
W
W
W
L
L
W
W
W
W
W
W
L
L
L
L
W
W
L
L
W
L
L
W
L
W
L
L
W
W
W
L
W
L
W
W
W
W
W
W
W
L
W
W
L
W
W
L
W
L
W
L
L
L
L
L
W
W
L
W
L
W
L
W
W
L
W
L
W
W
L
W
W
W
W
L
W
W
W
W
L
W
L
W
W
W
W
L
W
W
L
L
W
L
W
L
L
W
W
W
L
W
W
W
W
L
L
L
W
L
W
W
W
W
W
W
W
W
W
W
W
W
W
W
W
W
L
L
L
W
W
W
L
L
W
W
W
W
L
W
L
W
W
L
W
W
W
W
W
W
L
L
L
L
W
L
L
W
L
L
W
W
W
L
W
L
L
L
W
W
L
W
W
L
L
W
L
W
W
W
W
L
L
L
W

BET
0
0
1
1
-2
-4
-8
4
-8
4
4
-8
4
-8
-8
-8
4
4
4
4
4
-8
-8
4
4
4
4
4
4
4
4
4
-2
2
2
2
-2
-4
4
2
2
2
2
2
-2
-4
-8
-8
4
4
-8
-8
4
-8
-8
4
-8
4
-8
-8
4
4
4
-8
4
-8
4
4
4
4
4
4
4
-8
4
4
-8
4
4
-8
4
-8
4
-8
-8
-8
-8
-8
4
4
-8
4
-8
4
-8
4
4
-8
4
-8
4
4
-8
4
4
4
4
-8
4
4
4
4
-8
4
-8
4
4
4
4
-8
4
4
-8
-8
4
-8
4
-8
-8
4
4
4
-8
4
4
4
4
-8
-8
-8
4
-8
4
4
4
4
4
4
4
4
4
4
4
4
4
4
4
4
-8
-8
-8
4
4
4
-8
-8
4
4
4
4
-8
4
-8
4
4
-8
4
4
4
4
4
4
-8
-8
-8
-8
4
-8
-8
4
-8
-8
4
4
4
-8
4
-8
-8
-8
4
4
-8
4
4
-8
-8
4
-8
4
4
4
4
-8
-8
-8
4

TOTAL
0
0
1
2
0
-4
-12
-8
-16
-12
-8
-16
-12
-20
-28
-36
-32
-28
-24
-20
-16
-24
-32
-28
-24
-20
-16
-12
-8
-4
0
4
2
4
6
8
6
2
6
8
10
12
14
16
14
10
2
-6
-2
2
-6
-14
-10
-18
-26
-22
-30
-26
-34
-42
-38
-34
-30
-38
-34
-42
-38
-34
-30
-26
-22
-18
-14
-22
-18
-14
-22
-18
-14
-22
-18
-26
-22
-30
-38
-46
-54
-62
-58
-54
-62
-58
-66
-62
-70
-66
-62
-70
-66
-74
-70
-66
-74
-70
-66
-62
-58
-66
-62
-58
-54
-50
-58
-54
-62
-58
-54
-50
-46
-54
-50
-46
-54
-62
-58
-66
-62
-70
-78
-74
-70
-66
-74
-70
-66
-62
-58
-66
-74
-82
-78
-86
-82
-78
-74
-70
-66
-62
-58
-54
-50
-46
-42
-38
-34
-30
-26
-22
-30
-38
-46
-42
-38
-34
-42
-50
-46
-42
-38
-34
-42
-38
-46
-42
-38
-46
-42
-38
-34
-30
-26
-22
-30
-38
-46
-54
-50
-58
-66
-62
-70
-78
-74
-70
-66
-74
-70
-78
-86
-94
-90
-86
-94
-90
-86
-94
-102
-98
-106
-102
-98
-94
-90
-98
-106
-114
-110

warrior · Aug 01, 01:16 PM 2010

Quote from: Wally Gator on Aug 01, 12:41 PM 2010
Hermes, my friend. I'm obviously doing someting wrong. How about some help. Maybe it's my age!!! Yikes! I'm playing 1/1/, 2/2, 4/4, remaining at 4/4 until in profit.

NO.
9
16
11
17
0
36
28
26
6
15
1
11
34
27
30
23
32
4
32
8
13
15
30
4
13
8
34
13
26
1
30
11
5
1
29
36
19
20
26
30
36
21
21
14
8
4
36
30
35
5
18
24
10
34
26
11
21
33
25
9
23
35
13
24
18
8
11
15
3
17
10
17
23
33
19
3
9
20
24
33
22
16
24
6
9
26
26
22
30
1
5
34
22
4
7
20
8
34
8
12
2
28
20
9
30
20
30
29
22
27
14
32
8
24
22
17
7
4
7
33
24
3
1
26
4
5
6
19
22
4
15
23
33
2
32
21
26
27
6
7
7
22
32
22
35
13
1
28
11
23
5
26
13
36
15
6
35
16
13
0
11
14
10
29
29
20
31
2
16
1
5
16
27
3
33
29
29
9
34
29
2
32
22
0
17
0
20
10
7
1
28
34
25
36
4
17
34
31
5
8
6
4
24
4
15
17
30
20
13
15
34
19
15
7
7
34
1

DZ
1
2
1
2
0
3
3
3
1
2
1
1
3
3
3
2
3
1
3
1
2
2
3
1
2
1
3
2
3
1
3
1
1
1
3
3
2
2
3
3
3
2
2
2
1
1
3
3
3
1
2
2
1
3
3
1
2
3
3
1
2
3
2
2
2
1
1
2
1
2
1
2
2
3
2
1
1
2
2
3
2
2
2
1
1
3
3
2
3
1
1
3
2
1
1
2
1
3
1
1
1
3
2
1
3
2
3
3
2
3
2
3
1
2
2
2
1
1
1
3
2
1
1
3
1
1
1
2
2
1
2
2
3
1
3
2
3
3
1
1
1
2
3
2
3
2
1
3
1
2
1
3
2
3
2
1
3
2
2
0
1
2
1
3
3
2
3
1
2
1
1
2
3
1
3
3
3
1
3
3
1
3
2
0
2
0
2
1
1
1
3
3
3
3
1
2
3
3
1
1
1
1
2
1
2
2
3
2
2
2
3
2
2
1
1
3
1

DZ TO PLAY
0
0
1/2
1/2
1/2
1/2
1/2X
2/3
2/3
2/3X
1/3
2/3
2/3X
1/2
1/2X
1/3
1/3X
1/2X
2/3X
1/2X
2/3X
1/3X
1/2
1/2X
2/3X
1/3X
2/3X
1/2X
1/3X
1/2X
2/3X
1/2X
2/3X
1/3
1/3
1/3
1/3
1/3X
2/3
2/3
2/3
2/3
2/3
2/3
2/3
2/3X
1/2
1/2X
1/3
1/3
1/3
1/3X
1/2
1/2
1/2X
1/3
1/3
1/3X
1/2X
2/3
2/3X
1/3X
1/2X
1/3X
2/3
2/3X
1/2
1/2
1/2
1/2
1/2
1/2
1/2
1/2
1/2X
1/3X
2/3X
1/2
1/2
1/2
1/2X
1/3X
2/3
2/3
2/3X
1/2
1/2X
1/3
1/3X
1/2X
2/3X
1/3
1/3
1/3X
2/3X
1/2
1/2
1/2
1/2X
2/3X
1/3
1/3
1/3
1/3X
2/3X
1/2X
1/3X
1/2X
2/3
2/3
2/3
2/3
2/3
2/3X
1/3X
1/2
1/2
1/2
1/2
1/2
1/2X
1/3X
2/3X
1/2
1/2X
2/3X
1/3
1/3
1/3X
1/2
1/2
1/2
1/2
1/2X
2/3X
1/2X
1/3X
1/2X
2/3
2/3X
1/3
1/3
1/3X
1/2X
1/3X
1/2X
1/3X
2/3X
1/2X
2/3X
1/3X
2/3X
1/2X
1/3X
1/2X
1/3X
2/3X
1/2X
1/3X
2/3
2/3
2/3X
1/3X
2/3X
1/2X
1/3
1/3X
1/2X
2/3X
1/3X
2/3X
1/2
1/2
1/2X
2/3X
1/2X
1/3
1/3
1/3
1/3
1/3
1/3
1/3
1/3X
1/3X
2/3
2/3
2/3
2/3X
1/2
1/2
1/2X
1/3
1/3
1/3
1/3
1/3X
1/2X
2/3
2/3X
1/3
1/3
1/3
1/3X
2/3X
1/3X
1/2
1/2X
1/3X
2/3
2/3
2/3
2/3
2/3
2/3X
1/2
1/2X

W/L
0
0
W
W
L
L
L
W
L
W
W
L
W
L
L
L
W
W
W
W
W
L
L
W
W
W
W
W
W
W
W
W
L
W
W
W
L
L
W
W
W
W
W
W
L
L
L
L
W
W
L
L
W
L
L
W
L
W
L
L
W
W
W
L
W
L
W
W
W
W
W
W
W
L
W
W
L
W
W
L
W
L
W
L
L
L
L
L
W
W
L
W
L
W
L
W
W
L
W
L
W
W
L
W
W
W
W
L
W
W
W
W
L
W
L
W
W
W
W
L
W
W
L
L
W
L
W
L
L
W
W
W
L
W
W
W
W
L
L
L
W
L
W
W
W
W
W
W
W
W
W
W
W
W
W
W
W
W
L
L
L
W
W
W
L
L
W
W
W
W
L
W
L
W
W
L
W
W
W
W
W
W
L
L
L
L
W
L
L
W
L
L
W
W
W
L
W
L
L
L
W
W
L
W
W
L
L
W
L
W
W
W
W
L
L
L
W

BET
0
0
1
1
-2
-4
-8
4
-8
4
4
-8
4
-8
-8
-8
4
4
4
4
4
-8
-8
4
4
4
4
4
4
4
4
4
-2
2
2
2
-2
-4
4
2
2
2
2
2
-2
-4
-8
-8
4
4
-8
-8
4
-8
-8
4
-8
4
-8
-8
4
4
4
-8
4
-8
4
4
4
4
4
4
4
-8
4
4
-8
4
4
-8
4
-8
4
-8
-8
-8
-8
-8
4
4
-8
4
-8
4
-8
4
4
-8
4
-8
4
4
-8
4
4
4
4
-8
4
4
4
4
-8
4
-8
4
4
4
4
-8
4
4
-8
-8
4
-8
4
-8
-8
4
4
4
-8
4
4
4
4
-8
-8
-8
4
-8
4
4
4
4
4
4
4
4
4
4
4
4
4
4
4
4
-8
-8
-8
4
4
4
-8
-8
4
4
4
4
-8
4
-8
4
4
-8
4
4
4
4
4
4
-8
-8
-8
-8
4
-8
-8
4
-8
-8
4
4
4
-8
4
-8
-8
-8
4
4
-8
4
4
-8
-8
4
-8
4
4
4
4
-8
-8
-8
4

TOTAL
0
0
1
2
0
-4
-12
-8
-16
-12
-8
-16
-12
-20
-28
-36
-32
-28
-24
-20
-16
-24
-32
-28
-24
-20
-16
-12
-8
-4
0
4
2
4
6
8
6
2
6
8
10
12
14
16
14
10
2
-6
-2
2
-6
-14
-10
-18
-26
-22
-30
-26
-34
-42
-38
-34
-30
-38
-34
-42
-38
-34
-30
-26
-22
-18
-14
-22
-18
-14
-22
-18
-14
-22
-18
-26
-22
-30
-38
-46
-54
-62
-58
-54
-62
-58
-66
-62
-70
-66
-62
-70
-66
-74
-70
-66
-74
-70
-66
-62
-58
-66
-62
-58
-54
-50
-58
-54
-62
-58
-54
-50
-46
-54
-50
-46
-54
-62
-58
-66
-62
-70
-78
-74
-70
-66
-74
-70
-66
-62
-58
-66
-74
-82
-78
-86
-82
-78
-74
-70
-66
-62
-58
-54
-50
-46
-42
-38
-34
-30
-26
-22
-30
-38
-46
-42
-38
-34
-42
-50
-46
-42
-38
-34
-42
-38
-46
-42
-38
-46
-42
-38
-34
-30
-26
-22
-30
-38
-46
-54
-50
-58
-66
-62
-70
-78
-74
-70
-66
-74
-70
-78
-86
-94
-90
-86
-94
-90
-86
-94
-102
-98
-106
-102
-98
-94
-90
-98
-106
-114
-110

wally YOU COULD OFF STOPED AT +4 2 4 6 8 6 2 6 8 10 12 14 16 14 10 2 PLAYING CONTINUOUSLY, OR PLAY WITH L W and bet after an W AND YOU BE AHEAD .W.

Kattila · Aug 01, 01:22 PM 2010

You know Victor s Lw program , right? LD, JD,LC,JC
Swich from one to other.
Example:
play last two dozens, you lose, swich to last two columns and so on
or
play last two doz., you lose , swich to JD(jump dozens)......

Wally G. , the best way is wait the first W after one or more L s,
than start to bet until comes the first L, and when appear this first L,
swich to another group (from LD to any ...JD, LC,JC) but you wait the
W after Ls again.

Example:

start play virtual LD( last two doz. )
L
L
L still wait
W trigger, bet now
L take the lose,swich to LC(last two col. ),wait trigger
W trigger bet now
W win
W win
L take the lose, swich to LD, wait the first W !
L
L
L still wait
W trigger , bet now
W win
W win
W win
L take the lose, swich to LC, wait trigger
L still wait
W trigger
W
W
W
W

try to catch the :: streaks

the progression is correct 1/1, 2/2, 4/4 stay on 4/4
until bankroll in plus.

just my way to play this method

Hermes · Aug 01, 01:49 PM 2010

Wally, you play completely wrong. I play it now $10 minimum table and I would be a millionaire on those numbers. First at all why you play the 8, greed? Leveller 1-2-4 but bet the 4 until you get TOTAL in PLUS. You don't jump 8 4 8 4 and so on...Wait one spin after any zero!
Warrior gave you good advice, play the LW strategy! You won 17 spins in row and ended as loser?
I came recently from Las Vegas won $400 with 4x4 and only once was down - 35 chips but even than went home as a winner. The Paki female dealer (bitc) span 7 zeros in 40 spins. I don't know how they can do it? They are magicians! I would win more but salmonella from cheesecake stopped me in the middle of the trip.
The system works in waves. When you are on bottom hold, when you are on top cash, that's why the LW strategy makes it holy grail! Needs patience, for sure! But in 90% of the time I never went into total minus for the whole session, and didn't even played LW but straight (on $1 table they push you to play every spin)
Next time do it right.
I even didn't know that I am a topic moderator, thanks for the flowers.
Cheers hermes

Wally Gator · Aug 01, 02:13 PM 2010

@Hermes, @Kattila,

OK, I understand your logic and will revisit it. I was not playing 8 4 8 4. It was +4 on a win and -8 on a loss (4/4). I'll see how it does with the wait after a zero and using the LW.

Thanks for the help.

Wally

F_LAT_INO · Aug 01, 02:48 PM 2010

Quote from: Hermes on Aug 01, 01:49 PM 2010
Wally, you play completely wrong. I play it now $10 minimum table and I would be a millionaire on those numbers. First at all why you play the 8, greed? Leveller 1-2-4 but bet the 4 until you get TOTAL in PLUS. You don't jump 8 4 8 4 and so on...Wait one spin after any zero!
Warrior gave you good advice, play the LW strategy! You won 17 spins in row and ended as loser?
I came recently from Las Vegas won $400 with 4x4 and only once was down - 35 chips but even than went home as a winner. The Paki female dealer (bitc) span 7 zeros in 40 spins. I don't know how they can do it? They are magicians! I would win more but salmonella from cheesecake stopped me in the middle of the trip.
The system works in waves. When you are on bottom hold, when you are on top cash, that's why the LW strategy makes it holy grail! Needs patience, for sure! But in 90% of the time I never went into total minus for the whole session, and didn't even played LW but straight (on $1 table they push you to play every spin)
Next time do it right.
I even didn't know that I am a topic moderator, thanks for the flowers.
Cheers hermes

How they can do it?

?
My dear Hermes,today they can see you what you are
having for breakfast,let alone what you are playing and how to
stop you.Unless you are playing on a crowded table,DO NOT PLAY.

Hermes · Aug 01, 06:11 PM 2010

Lat they cannot stop 4x4 drive because the occurrence of winning numbers for 4x4 always come just wait for it (LW). That means 66% wins and 33% losses.
The wheels in "cheap" LV casinos are old fashion wooden deep pockets not like that one in Canada, metal and shallow, already suspicious for magnetic balls. Bias players could be successful in LV old casinos like Sahara, Circus Circus and all casinos in downtown. Don't go to the expensive one like MGM, Escalibur, Bellagio or Encore!
And for sure 4x4 drive is not for RNGs (not enough drive!). Even live online casinos are suspicious of changing the screens using the technology of Hollywood movies. Land casinos (Canada is exception) are the only survival for fair games.
hermes

jordan69 · Aug 06, 01:42 PM 2010

:(

Oups, my own numbers maybe belong to the devil. . .
I just tried the 4 x 4 drive system
and after +11 on the dz and +6 on the colums for the 1st session,
i just saw a horrible. . . - 115 units on the dz !!!!

I made the tests w/o any stop loss to see what's going on. . .
Now i know :-(

Any target win idea ? +5, +8 ?
Any stop loss idea ?
but even with stop loss, if it's possible to see such hell session. . .
i really wonder if it deserves more tests

I used Hermes basic rules and leveller with small mod : 1/1 2/2 3/3 4/4

Cheers.
Jordan69

Hermes · Aug 06, 03:35 PM 2010

Jordan I sent you a pm.
You could do it this way but it takes longer to recover. If played LW strategy you even don't have to many opportunities to go to 4/4. The 3/3 sticks in the way.
Hermes

jordan69 · Aug 06, 06:17 PM 2010

Thanks Hermes for ur quick reply, that's nice.

Unfortunatly, when i had this hell session on dozens, i played with LW trigger. . .
Maybe i must wait for LLW for a safer game ?

I don't know what to think.
Perhaps it was only a horrible session but i'm not sure to be honest. . .

I think to a stop loss to avoid such deadly session :-\

Will see what happens later.
Cheers.

Jordan69

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