Dynamic Differential Betting

[GLC]

To summarize this post, we still won a profit, even after a session-ending bust.  This is a strong system that I think has a lot of merit.  I remain surprised that so few people are following along on this method, as it has shown it has the ability to recover nicely and generate some awesome profits. 
I think this might be a great rule to add to this system.  Hope everyone else is having as much fun and success playing this as I am.

Colbster,  I have much respect for your roulette savvy.  I have been following your postings avidly but have not been testing.  Why?  For me, it's because this system takes a lot of time and effort to test thoroughly enough to come to the conclusion that it's a long term winner.


Your postings are for sure starting to draw me away from some of my ideas toward this concept of switching the side you're betting on  when things are going bad hoping they continue and you can cash in on the opposite bets.


I have been here where you are several times, so I know how you feel.  Having 2 or 3 other members working hard with you is a source of great encouragement and motivates us to keep going.  One negative is that with more people making tweak suggestions, it can get so jumbled that eventually we don't know which method of play is the strongest.


At least with you being the main communicator, it is easier to follow how the system is developing.  I will run a few tests myself.  I know that there's nothing like getting your feet wet with a system to really appreciate it's worth.


From my perspective drawdowns of 72 and 109 units are very manageable.  To come out with a win after a bust isn't too shabby either.  I assume your bust was 190 units.  I know that once you reach -190 in the hole if you continue to play and lose you go in the hole deeper faster because your progression has escalated to much higher bet sizes, but a bank of 500 units (or 5000 per Winkle) might be just the thing.


Don't give up on us just yet. 


If all of a sudden you stop posting on the forum, I'm going to assume you've come to the conclusion that this is the one and all that's left to do is rake in the chips.


Keep on winning my friend,


GLC

[GLC]

Okay Colby,  I've read through your complete postings and have some observations and questions.  What is the difference in betting a win progression and a loss progression?  If you were say betting Red/Black, what's the difference from betting a progression on Red to win and a progression on Black to win?
Have you considered a win target of say +25 units if you don't have the need for a switch before reaching +25.  If you do have the need for a switch, you could extend the win target to +40 or +50.
Another thought is to shoot for a win target of say 30 or 40 and keep playing as long as you keep winning.  Once you lose 10 units from your highest amount, you end that session whether you've had to switch or not. 
Finally, on my system ROL vs BEH I had excellent results using what has been called the Boffins bet.  It's just a single parlay system.  It's made up of a bet plus a let-it-ride or parlay bet.  You win 3 times whatever your bet was.  The progression is:
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A total loss is -160 units which never happens for the same reason that you will never have a -190 unit bust with your D'Alembert progression.
I'm not saying the boffins bet will be better than the D'Alembert, but it did play well with my system.  It's a little more difficult to track because you can bet a unit amount and it can be either the 1st bet or the parlay part of the 2 part bet which get's confusing until you figure out a good method to keep track of where you are with your bts.  We need 2 wins in a row to recover all losses on a progression.  Just a thought.  I don't know if it's worth pursuing, D'Alembert seems to be doing quite well.

[Robeenhuut]

Okay Colby,  I've read through your complete postings and have some observations and questions.  What is the difference in betting a win progression and a loss progression?  If you were say betting Red/Black, what's the difference from betting a progression on Red to win and a progression on Black to win?
Have you considered a win target of say +25 units if you don't have the need for a switch before reaching +25.  If you do have the need for a switch, you could extend the win target to +40 or +50.
Another thought is to shoot for a win target of say 30 or 40 and keep playing as long as you keep winning.  Once you lose 10 units from your highest amount, you end that session whether you've had to switch or not. 
Finally, on my system ROL vs BEH I had excellent results using what has been called the Boffins bet.  It's just a single parlay system.  It's made up of a bet plus a let-it-ride or parlay bet.  You win 3 times whatever your bet was.  The progression is:
1
2
3
4
5
6
8
10
14
17
23
30
40
A total loss is -160 units which never happens for the same reason that you will never have a -190 unit bust with your D'Alembert progression.
I'm not saying the boffins bet will be better than the D'Alembert, but it did play well with my system.  It's a little more difficult to track because you can bet a unit amount and it can be either the 1st bet or the parlay part of the 2 part bet which get's confusing until you figure out a good method to keep track of where you are with your bts.  We need 2 wins in a row to recover all losses on a progression.  Just a thought.  I don't know if it's worth pursuing, D'Alembert seems to be doing quite well.

Hello

I agree with your idea of moderate win target. You have a good chance betting on all 3 EC's to rack up few wins in a row. For me its time to get out and not push for more.
Once you start to bet 10 units your risk factor increases. I would set win goal at 2/3 of stop loss because i think its realistic to win 3 out 4 games meaning your total profit would be your stop loss.

Regards 

[Colbster]

George,

Thanks for the words of support.  I remember you posting on the Boffins bet some time back, and remember being intrigued by the bet.  I don't remember what pushed me off, but it was probably that I was focused on testing the system I created a couple years ago.  I am not a coder, regrettably, and I don't know that I know the best way to implement the Boffins bet into an Excel tracking spreadsheet.  I would be thrilled to see the results, which could easily surpass my own very acceptable returns.  I hope someone with the skill set can take up that mantle.

I have also given a lot of thought to moderating the win targets.  When we play only to a loss of the 10th level instead of the 20th, we are facing a loss of 45 units instead of 190.  Playing all three ECs at the same time, a win of 45 units happens constantly.  My only concern is that we are not giving random enough time to take advantage of the session dynamic to fix the disparity we have already gotten midway through the session.

Regarding the Black/Red question, I think I need to amend my terminology from "winning" and "losing" to "correct" and "incorrect".  If we have a series of 4 spins, BBRB, this simple bet selection calls for a bet of Black.  The next spin showing Black would be "correct", Red would be "incorrect".  We do not run progressions on Black and Red, but rather on "correct" and "incorrect" according to the rolling 4-spin bet selection process.  If we  have 8 units on the "correct" progression and 1 on the "incorrect" progression, we bet 7 on "correct", which would be Black in this case.  If, however, we have 2 on "correct" and 6 on "incorrect", we would bet 4 units on "incorrect", meaning 4 on Red.  I hope that wording is a little better to clarify the bets.  If it is still unclear, just let me know. 

Thanks again for the support.  It does help a lot!

[Colbster]

Another fascinating session that I think can be very informative when we look at the parts, as well as the whole.  I will start with the basic stats:

Total spins: 284
Total units won: +124
Spins to +100: 187
Largest drawdown: 138 (Needed 16 spins to reach a new peak)
Lowest BR: -28

Here is where it gets interesting - this was a busted session.  Yep, a session that ultimately lost, yet gave us a profit of +124 units.  There were two different EC progressions that came very close to busting, but I let them run so I could address the exit points as I did in the previous post.

At spin 111, we had a loss on the B/R EC at level 15.  At that moment, we were -10.  On the next spin, we could have closed the session with a +5.

At spin 121, we again had a loss on the B/R.  However, here we were at +27.

Again at spin 136 on B/R.  We were at +49.  It danced around for several spins, getting up to level 18, although never showing a negative BR.

At spin 157, the B/R progression was breakeven.  Now, it was the E/O progression that lost at level 15.  Our balance at the time: +21.

Spin 173 sent us back to a loss at level 15 of the B/R, with the E/O having recovered.  Right here, we had a balance of +75 (Take the profit, man!!!)

The B/R and E/O continue to bounce around, giving us increasingly attractive exit points.  At spin 230, the H/L progression decides it wants to be a part of the excitement and loses at level 15.  Our balance at this point:  +105.  As an aside, the B/R also was at level 16 here.  I think the board was trying to tell me something!

Eventually, it was the H/L progression that ended the session.  At one point, we were up to a +180 balance.  the H/L progression was at level 18 here.  I wanted to see how long it was going to hold up just for the sake of this post, because I think this is becoming a critical part of this system - when do you get out?

The first loss at level 15 would have given us a +5 balance as the first positive after the loss.  Other than that, we could have been + at least 27 units at any other exit point.  This was an amazing session because it took as long as it did to finish itself.  I would have expected a bust or a win (+200) sooner than it came.  Because it lasted as long as it did, it continued wining +1 on both sides of all three progressions along the way, allowing us a great profit, despite the bust.  This is exactly the scenario we want.  If we can win on a win or win on a loss, we have the grail.  This isn't it, but this is the first method I have ever worked with that can generate +124 units on a loss.

[Colbster]

Feeling a little cheeky, so I wanted to let one run to see where we ended when we finally busted, even after reaching my +200 goal:

Total spins: 345
Total profit: +256
Highest point: +324
Lowest point: -6 (You have to love that!)
Largest drawdown: 94 units
Spins to +100: 108
Spins to +200: 262
Spins to +300: 299

[Colbster]

Now a stinker!

Total spins: 170
Ending loss: -162

This session had losses on all three ECs at the end of the session.  Surprisingly, it held up in that it lost less than one entire bust worth (-190), even though all three had losses when the bust finally came.  That is because the wins that came during the previous spins offset a lot of our losses.

I was looking for an exit after the first EC lost at level 15, but it never came.

[Colbster]

Here are the results of my next session, winning enough to offset the losses of the past session and put a few bucks in my pocket to boot!

Total spins: 203
Total wins: +203 units
Lowest point: -17
Spins to +100: 127
Largest drawdown: 61 units (Next peak came 18 spins later)

I never had a loss at level 15 in this session, although I did get to level 15 several times, but with nothing but wins.  It took a little longer for the swap to do its magic, but it kicked in and did just what we would have hoped.

Another successful session in the books!

[vladir]

You play this in a no 0 wheel? Is there a version of this for a european/french roullete? What you do when a 0 comes ?

[Colbster]

Well, Vladir, therein lies the rub.  I have played at Betvoyager in the past on the no-zero table.  Unfortunately, they are no longer accepting deposits from US players, even though they have taken my money in the past.  I had to deposit with them via a circuitous route that involved Webmoney (and I think the Russian mafia, but I can't prove it :-P).

Now, as I am clearly excited about my results, I sent real money back to my Webmoney account for the purpose of depositing into my BV account, but it was refused.  I have already paid a fee to get my money turned into Webmoney, I really don't want to pay a fee to get it back out.

I am searching for a US-ok casino that accepts Webmoney, even if I have to play on the European (or preferably French) tables.  When tracking and a 0 hits, just ignore it.  When it hits during a bet, increase both sides of the bet by 1 ONLY ON THE EC THAT YOU ARE BETTING ON.  If you are not betting on a particular EC, you snuck by.

Hope that helps.

If anyone can help me with my own problem about funding my account, please PM me!

[Tomla021]

i want help also-lol

[Robeenhuut]

i want help also-LoL

Get VPN. It assigns you ip address from many countries that are ok for gambling like UK for example.
Its 9$ a month.

Regards

[Colbster]

Update on a session, now that I have a minute to play again:

91 spins, loss -105 units.  All the losses came from one EC (E/O).  The swap happened at the same moment that the trend switched from win to lose.  This was a worst case scenario when it comes to the change of a trend happening at the worst possible moment.  Fortunately, the other two ECs ate up nearly half of the total loss from that EC.

Regarding the VPN, Robeenhuut recommended link:://overplay.net to me.  They seem to be the first choice of most of the reviews I have read online, and I am looking forward to opening an account with them shortly when I have some playing money.

For anyone who knows, even if I can get Betvoyager to open me with the VPN, are there going to be additional problems in the future.  For instance, will I need to verify my information before I can withdraw funds?  Will my US ID cause trouble?  Can I still use my Webmoney account, or will I need a new one since I originally registered with a US address?  Anyone who has dealt with this matter before, we would love to hear from you!  It is getting absolutely ridiculous here in the US regarding personal freedoms!

[Colbster]

A near duplication of the last session:

100 spins, lost -102 units.  The same E/O EC tanked while the other two plugged along to cover about half of the total loss from that EC.  Irritating, but not troubling.  Keeping at it!

[Tomla021]

Still at it colbster?