who's making money out of roulette at the moment?

[jeffstar]

Great thread guys! 

The reason Einstein came up with his conclusion is because he played by the rules.

1. House imposed limit on maximum bet
2. Participants limited bankroll
3. The law infinite potential

Casino management knows that the standard deviations can vary greatly.  For example red can show up 10, 20, or 30 times in a row.  The law of infinite potential states a standard deviation can no longer exist and that red or black can go on forever.  Since we live a finite life rule three can be eliminated. That leaves us rule 1 and 2.  In live casino play most players cannot play a Martingale using an infinite bankroll, so rule #2 holds up in most cases.  As a precaution casino's implement the icing on the cake and that is the maximum bet allowed. 

[MauiSunset]

Huh what incredible farce all this . I congratulate you mauisunset and all actors including me... This farce can't be seen even on best broadway shows... I feel like I was provoked in Jerry Springer show...


I can't belive i accepted role in all this, although i knew excatly what and how it is going to be.  I am very very shamed..


Logging out for quite some time now...


There has been many situations  that some guy pulled the trigger and rafal of unnecessary and silly replys bursted out, but this is definitely top  one as far as i am concerned...


INCREDIBLE!!!


Over and out


Drazen

Believe it or not I get a lot of that - no challenge to the idea that the stated odds in Roulette never change under any circumstances and that all the huffing and puffing of many eventually die away to Mathematics cold odds.


That's what all Roulette systems are all about - trying to change the published mathematical odds - it can't be done.  The best you can do is play the odds and don't do stupid things at the table.


ALL games in a casino are winner for the casino and the stated odds tell you how much you can expect to lose over a long period of time.  I know that Blackjack has better odds than American Roulette and that Craps is even better but I like the laid back attitude at the Roulette table and the entertainment of watching folks lose their bankroll.


Beyond that there are no super secret ways to beat Roulette - none have been published in 200 years and none will be published in the next 200 years.


That's the truth folks - eventually you will believe me.......

[Gizmotron]

 

Believe it or not I get a lot of that - no challenge to the idea that the stated odds in Roulette never change under any circumstances and that all the huffing and puffing of many eventually die away to Mathematics cold odds.


That's what all Roulette systems are all about - trying to change the published mathematical odds - it can't be done.  The best you can do is play the odds and don't do silly things at the table.


ALL games in a casino are winner for the casino and the stated odds tell you how much you can expect to lose over a long period of time.  I know that Blackjack has better odds than American Roulette and that Craps is even better but I like the laid back attitude at the Roulette table and the entertainment of watching folks lose their bankroll.


Beyond that there are no super secret ways to beat Roulette - none have been published in 200 years and none will be published in the next 200 years.


That's the truth folks - eventually you will believe me.......

[Gizmotron]

If you want to reveal your secrets here or somewhere where I can post I'd be happy to throw in my 2 cents worth, if you care.....

First you must prove that you can discuss randomness.
What is a dominance?
What is a sleeping dozen?
What is a series of one, double, and triple?
What is a perfect pattern?
What is a "Global Effect?"
What does visual dexterity refer too?

I have already published regarding all these questions. You know where. Let's see if you can do basic data mining

[MauiSunset]

First you must prove that you can discuss randomness.
What is a dominance?
What is a sleeping dozen?
What is a series of one, double, and triple?
What is a perfect pattern?
What is a "Global Effect?"
What does visual dexterity refer too?


I have already published regarding all these questions. You know where. Let's see if you can do basic data mining

Why on earth would I want to read total nonsense?


What you ask me to do is the same as reading everything about Alien Abductions - no proof exists that they exist either.


You need to start the ball rolling with a simple experiment - change the odds of Black or Red showing up in the next spin from 18 in 37 or 38 to something larger.  What you claim is that you can get better odds by studying randomness.


My suggestion is for you to employee the Scientific Method here - a dumbed-down version, suitable for informal usage, can be found here: link:://:.sciencemadesimple.com/scientific_method.html


What you are trying to prove is at the Nobel level of mathematics - a scientific approach will suit you better than a hodge-podge of definitions that lead nowhere.


Here are the published odds for Roulette: link:://wizardofodds.com/games/roulette/


You claim to be able to change them - it should be easy to demonstrate the ability....

[Gizmotron]

Debating with you would be the same as paying you $100 to learn my system at your scam website. You are truly known around here. You have proven why you should be banned here. Do you recall asking me to debate? I didn't  know that that entailed halling you on my back too. There's a difference between ignorance and stupidity . I won't waste my time dealing with a person that uses ignorance to make his point.

Why on earth would I want to read total nonsense?


What you ask me to do is the same as reading everything about Alien Abductions - no proof exists that they exist either.


You need to start the ball rolling with a simple experiment - change the odds of Black or Red showing up in the next spin from 18 in 37 or 38 to something larger.  What you claim is that you can get better odds by studying randomness.


My suggestion is for you to employee the Scientific Method here - a dumbed-down version, suitable for informal usage, can be found here: link:://:.sciencemadesimple.com/scientific_method.html


What you are trying to prove is at the Nobel level of mathematics - a scientific approach will suite you better than a hodge-podge of definitions that lead nowhere.


Here are the published odds for Roulette: link:://wizardofodds.com/games/roulette/


You claim to be able to change them - it should be easy to demonstrate the ability....

[MauiSunset]

Debating with you would be the same as paying you $100 to learn my system at your scam website. You are truly known around here. You have proven why you should be banned here. Do you recall asking me to debate? I didn't  know that that entailed halling you on my back too. There's a difference between ignorance and stupidity . I won't waste my time dealing with a person that uses ignorance to make his point.

OK, how many hours do you think I need to spend reading your posts?


Do you think I can read and understand them in 1 hour, or 10 hours, or 100 hours, or are 1,000 hours needed?


I am an Aerospace Engineer so I have little problem with math.


If your estimate is reasonable, I will read your posts........

[vile]

OK, how many hours do you think I need to spend reading your posts?


Do you think I can read and understand them in 1 hour, or 10 hours, or 100 hours, or are 1,000 hours needed?


I am an Aerospace Engineer so I have little problem with math.


If your estimate is reasonable, I will read your posts........

--You shouldn't as it would be waste of time.Couple years back I did it all,
even made notes but there were so many contradictory statements that I
realised that Gizmo isn't what he claims to be.Empty talk without any proofs of his claims.

[Gizmotron]

I am an Aerospace Engineer so I have little problem with math.

I doubt that much Mr. renosaunce man. You ask me to demonstrate changing a mathematical constant. Just in case you don't know what your actual question really is. You want a comparison of probability and statistics .  There won't be any prizes for that.

Let me guess. You got your education from a diploma mill.
At its least you are not in contact with your own head. You
are desperate to find a working system to beat Roulette. All
your moves telegraph that much. If you want this you will have
to work for it. I don't see anyone else around here complaining.

[Gizmotron]

--You shouldn't as it would be waste of time.Couple years back I did it all,
even made notes but there were so many contradictory statements that I
realised that Gizmo isn't what he claims to be.Empty talk without any proofs of his claims.

A few years ago I didn't explain anything. I reserve the right to explain this
my way. It took me more than 30 years to figure this out on my own. I protected
it. I now know from experience that most people will give up on my disclosings.
Today is not two years ago.

[warrior]

OK, how many hours do you think I need to spend reading your posts?


Do you think I can read and understand them in 1 hour, or 10 hours, or 100 hours, or are 1,000 hours needed?


I am an Aerospace Engineer so I have little problem with math.


If your estimate is reasonable, I will read your posts........

So then you believe that physics can beat roulette.

[MauiSunset]

I doubt that much Mr. renosaunce man. You ask me to demonstrate changing a mathematical constant. Just in case you don't know what your actual question really is. You want a comparison of probability and statistics .  There won't be any prizes for that.

Let me guess. You got your education from a diploma mill.
At its least you are not in contact with your own head. You
are desperate to find a working system to beat Roulette. All
your moves telegraph that much. If you want this you will have
to work for it. I don't see anyone else around here complaining.

Good grief I pity your "students".


The chance of Red or Black is 18/(38 lets just go with American wheels)=47.37% or the odds are 1 in 2.11 spins.  That's just 5th grade math.


If you want to do better than that you must increase the odds - from 1 in 2.11 spins to 1 in 2 or 1 in 1.9 or 1.8 or whatever to do better.  You will have to eliminate some of the 38 possible outcomes to increase the odds.  How does one do this?  I haven't a clue.  Every one of those 38 slots has the same probability of being hit spin after spin after spin.


That's the problem with fixed odds - they can't change under any circumstances - at least in Roulette.  If you talk about Blackjack then yes the odds increase slightly in your favor if you card count before a shuffle occurs - you can eliminate possible outcomes.


I still don't have an estimate as to how many hours I'm supposed to dedicate to your manifesto - I'm guessing hundreds and hundreds of hours are needed with countless questions needing answered....

[MauiSunset]

So then you believe that physics can beat roulette.

I have no idea how you arrive at that conclusion from what I said.


I don't believe in Advantage Play at all - 200 years ago maybe the Roulette wheel might be out of balance but with space age cutting machines every Roulette wheel is perfectly balanced with no advantage to be found.


Same with the dealer spinning at variable rates to a constantly slowing Roulette wheel.


These are hundred year rumors still floating around - stand by a wheel and count spins and you increase your odds of winning - total bunk......

[MauiSunset]

A few years ago I didn't explain anything. I reserve the right to explain this
my way. It took me more than 30 years to figure this out on my own. I protected
it. I now know from experience that most people will give up on my disclosings.
Today is not two years ago.

As an engineer I know that the more complicated something is the more it is prone to failure.  If you can't explain your technique on one page of 8pt type then it's totally bogus - so complex that nothing can be gleamed from a success or failure of the system.


So let me state this - if your system/technique is larger than one typed page of 8pt type I have no desire to read it nor understand it since it's way way too complicated to ever work...


E=MC^2 is the culmination of 20 years work by a genius - that's easy to grasp even by little kids...

[Gizmotron]

I still don't have an estimate as to how many hours I'm supposed to dedicate to your manifesto - I'm guessing hundreds and hundreds of hours are needed with countless questions needing answered....

It's already pretty much done. Others have it. Once they gain the needed experience
perhaps one of them will feel sorry for you, hold your hand,  and bottle feed you.

I may have been wrong about you. You might not be ignorant. What makes you
think that I want to drag a person like you to prosperity? You deserve the worst
possible treatment from just about everyone on this forum. Go ahead. Start a new
chapter for the math Nazis. Complain all you want. Jeez - the people they'll give a
degree to these days.