so who's beating rng at the moment?

[GARNabby]

"... and other than collecting our winnings."

That is not a true statement.

[Drazen]

drazen_cro, are you serious?

I also miss continuously in BV NZ, and I am unable to find a winning method.

Maybe one of the secrets its a big big bankroll.

Good bankrool yes, but not playing long suicidal progressions.


There is no winning method on RNG!


Regard


Drazen

[jarabo002]

Ok, I see.

Thanks

I think tonight, after two years of study of roulette, with several hours a day of dedication, after a year playing in NZ BV, I just found something that looks promising.

[Drazen]

Hm.. but no one of you advocates of RNG didnt even thought of commenting my first post in this thread... how strange 


You dont have to be smartass to figure something out.


1. There are methods that would beat this game without 0, very easy right? You know that?


2. We do have such roullette. Only  one in the world. BV NZ  


3. There aslo, we have highest table limits for this game on Earth i think, what our victory makes even "easyer"... But even if we dont, doesnt matter at all because of state nr 1.


4. Because of the above stated, we could play there without losing any session ever. 


5. It is good that they obviously have bigger pocket than all Arabs together, when they can pay off to everyone without problems, even with such conditions as above stated. Good for players there.


6. Did anyone heard someone was banned from RNG because they won too much? 


7. Maybe owners of BV NZ are not even aware what absence of 0 means for them and beating this game? Have you ever thought about that?    What naives..


8. Go and show them





Regards


Drazen

[superman]

Do you still have to bet every spin on BV? I know you can place easily bets cancelling each other and just hit repeat button?

Yes, no free spins allowed so you just play the cancel out bets, low, 3rd dozen and line

[Bayes]

Sorry to hear about your loss, Amazin. You can choose to believe that you were cheated, but this is would be a mistake. Go ahead and play that same method on a real wheel, it will take much much longer in terms of time before you lose again, but lose you will.

To make a fair comparison you need to count the NUMBER of placed bets in both cases.

And you didn't say what kind of MM you were using - let me guess - a martingale?

If you really think BV were cheating, try the following: learn a few systems or just make some up, then randomly choose a different system to play for 10 spins, then choose another and play it for 10 spins. Rinse and repeat.

There is a very remote possibility that BV COULD be monitoring your play and throwing up losing spins (although I personally don't believe they do), but because they generate spins in advance (which you can check), there's no way they can be doing this AFTER you've placed your bets, so basically IF they wanted to do this they would just be guessing. By varying your methods of play randomly, you won't be giving them a chance to figure anything out and anticipate your next bets.

I've said it again and again - you can't expect to plug away with the same system for 100s or 1000a of spins and expect it to keep winning, they are ALL subject to standard deviation. RNG or real wheels doesn't make any difference.

So to play the same simple system endlessly is a double whammy: 1) If the casino really is monitoring your bets and trying to find a pattern, you're making it easy for them. AND, 2) if you play this way you will run into a sequence from hell sooner or later, so you will lose whether or not the casino is cheating. At the moment you seem to be convinced that only 1) is the case. If you're concerned about playing RNG, then just don't play them, but don't make the mistake of thinking that's the only reason why you lost - it could save you more time and money.

[Bayes]

Hm.. but no one of you advocates of RNG didn't even thought of commenting my first post in this thread... how strange 


You don't have to be smartass to figure something out.


1. There are methods that would beat this game without 0, very easy right? You know that?


2. We do have such roulette. Only  one in the world. BV NZ  


3. There aslo, we have highest table limits for this game on Earth i think, what our victory makes even "easyer"... But even if we don't, doesn't matter at all because of state nr 1.


4. Because of the above stated, we could play there without losing any session ever. 


5. It is good that they obviously have bigger pocket than all Arabs together, when they can pay off to everyone without problems, even with such conditions as above stated. Good for players there.


6. Did anyone heard someone was banned from RNG because they won too much?  :LoL:


7. Maybe owners of BV NZ are not even aware what absence of 0 means for them and beating this game? Have you ever thought about that?    What naives..


8. Go and show them





Regards


Drazen

Drazen,

The fact that there is no zero doesn't make it easy to win - far from it. In the short term, the thing that kills players isn't so much the house edge (depending on how many numbers you're covering), but variance and dispersion (plus, lack of discipline, using crazy progressions etc).

And, it's a mathematical fact that the player with the largest bankroll will eventually win, even when there is no house advantage. The casino has an infinite bankroll relative to an individual player, so they can easily weather the storms which come along. Swings which will sink the average punter will be nothing more than a ripple for them. Even ignoring all that, you still aren't guaranteed to WIN when the game is completely fair - at best you should mathematically break even over time (no edge for the casino doesn't mean a positive edge for you).

[Amazin]

There is a very remote possibility that BV COULD be monitoring your play and throwing up losing spins (although I personally don't believe they do), but because they generate spins in advance (which you can check), there's no way they can be doing this AFTER you've placed your bets, so basically IF they wanted to do this they would just be guessing. By varying your methods of play randomly, you won't be giving them a chance to figure anything out and anticipate your next bets.

Hey Bayes, Im glad that you responded. I have read many of your posts and I'm under the impression that you believe RNGs don't cheat because there's no need for it. Part of me also believes in that. In the end of the day, why would any casino want to risk of losing their license because of it? The point I'm trying to make is that rngs cheats in a way that we don't expect them to e.g. change the outcome after you've placed your bets.

I don't think BV was generating patterns after I placed my bets. I think it probably recorded my betting patterns and generating patterns accordingly in advance. I believe there's a way to beat it. I turned £10 into £33 playing 3p stakes so think how many wins I will need to get to that point. I was successful because I was using my 3 muskteers system and was randomly pick a pattern to bet against.

I have a question for you, are you winning constantly on RNGs at the moment?

[trebor]

Look at "Randomness by Quantique" (at the bottom of the BV home page).  If BV are manipulating the numbers it would involve changing the source of the RNG to one that can be controlled.

Most people can be relied on to lose their money with no help from anyone.

If a few of the minority of winners become a problem to a casino surely the simplest solution to them is to close the account. They don't need to give a reason.

Well that's my view on the subject.

Trebor

[kitestop12]

If there is nothing "goofy" about RNG. Then why is there countless, probably hundreds of topics on this site that ask      "how do you beat RNG?"    "The best way to beat RNG?"



Everytime someone starts raising  bets it kicks in...    Two sessions in a row,I will bet on all streets except 1 in less than 100 spins, the same streat hit 9 times in a row and then another session it will do the same. ...   Try it, go waste 50 bucks and see for yourself...     I will be taping a session on a certain website.(an accredited casino). Maybe then you will believe. And if not I'll tape again and lose the exact same way with the exact same street.

On average a particular dozen WILL hit 12 times in a million spins.
Let alone a particular street hit 10.       

Street Bet
No.      Count   No.      
1   time in a row   66591
2   times in a row   5305   
3   times in a row   450   
4   times in a row   38   
5   times in a row   4      
6   times in a row   0      
7   times in a row   0   
8   times in a row   0      
9   times in a row   0



Dozens bet
No.      Count   No.      Count
1   time in a row   147760   
2   times in a row   46938   
3   times in a row   14514   
4   times in a row   4612   
5   times in a row   1512   
6   times in a row   481   
7   times in a row   147   
8   times in a row   42   
9   times in a row   10   
10   times in a row   4
11   times in a row   1   
12   times in a row   1   
13   times in a row   0         

[Bayes]

The point I'm trying to make is that rngs cheats in a way that we don't expect them to e.g. change the outcome after you've placed your bets.

I'm not a fan of RNGs in general, and I don't blame people for being wary of them, but as far as I know BV is the only OC which guarantee they can NOT change the outcome AFTER you place your bet, for the simple reason that the spins are generated BEFORE you bet. You can check this for yourself by using the hash function.  See this post: link:://rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=4030.0

And of course, their zero edge games are attractive. Apart from BV, I don't play RNG at any other OC. In answer to your question, I AM winning consistently playing at BV, I don't win every session, but the overall trend is up and has been for quite a while.

Also, I'm not affiliated with them in any way, shape, or form!, but you did ask.

[StackBundles]

i had a bit of money left over so i thought id see if i could make a quick bit of money playing rng i couldnt believe i lost 16 out of 20 flat bets what a joke! reminded me the reason why i stopped playing them

[StackBundles]

if rng didnt chuck out crazy results then alot of people would turn it into a cash machine think how much u can make in  an hour if it behaved like a roulette wheel casino would not like that!

[superman]

think how much You can make in  an hour if it behaved like a roulette wheel

RNG is not roulette, don't confuse the 2, RNG is found everywhere, poker, betfair x games, and many other game orientated entities Joel, the fact that they play roulette with rng number generators just creates a good place for anyone attacking the RNG to place bets.

Real wheel roulette means most players attack a "wheel" with numbers in a precise layout, speaking for myself, the number slots I attack are simple

1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9..................................36

That's how an RNG is made purely 1 to 36 or 0  to 36 if you want (37) another slot to fight against. As has been said before, RNG isn't for everyone and we keep rehashing it over and over, don't like it? don't play it, is simples.

[Robeenhuut]

if rng didn't chuck out crazy results then a lot of people would turn it into a cash machine think how much You can make in  an hour if it behaved like a roulette wheel casino would not like that!

Actually most people would lose at triple rate of speed of a regular live wheel. RNG makes casino more money just because it operates at greater speed and allows more bets that benefit mostly casino.
It does not have to be rigged.