Point 'n' Figure Strategy

[albertojonas]

The software makes possible many analyses.


I have something to expose for discussion:
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here we can see how a hoovering state (between series and singles) ends.


So if it ends it will tend to go either way:


1- to the series side
2- to the singles side


in this case however, it ended on the series side.


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after the above next outcome we can speculate that it will continue changing.


now if we bet it will form a serie only two states remain present (hoovering then imbalance towards series)


so not the 3 states are present in a row.


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it indeed form another serie and know we have a series of series broken by a single.


(to be continued)


any thoughts on this?

[Robeenhuut]

Ok, when you've installed dosbox you have to 'mount' it before you can run any DOS programs. This means typing the following into the Dosbox console:

mount c [path to Rpnf folder]
c:

These are the steps to install and run the program:

1. Download it and unzip the folder (called Rpnf)
2. Run Dosbox
3. In the Dosbox window, type: 'mount c [path to Rpnf folder]'
4. Press <enter>
5. Type: 'c:'
6. If you now type 'DIR' you should see the Rpnf folder
7. Type 'CD Rpnf'
8. Type 'RPNF.EXE' to run the program.

'[path to Rpnf folder]' depends on your system and where the Rpnf folder is. Also the format will be different depending on whether you have Windows, Mac or Linux. Assuming you download to a folder called 'Documents', on Windows it might be something like 'c:\Documents\Rpnf', on Mac/Linux it will be '/home/user/Documents/Rpnf'

To save mounting the folder every time you want to run the program, you can add these 2 lines to the end of the dosbox configuration file (dosbox-0.74.conf):

mount c [path to Rpnf folder]
c:

If you do this, after starting Dosbox you will only have to move into the Rpnf folder and run the program.

I'll leave it there for now and explain how to use the program in the next post. Any problems installing let me know.

By the way, the formatting seems to be broken on this forum. When I try to make certain parts of the text bold or italic, the whole post gets converted - very annoying!

Hello Bayes

Thanks for your effort but when i start it i get error message "This system does not support fullscreen  mode" and i can not input anything.

Regards

[ego]

The software makes possible many analyses.


I have something to expose for discussion:
**************


[attachimg=1]


here we can see how a hoovering state (between series and singles) ends.


So if it ends it will tend to go either way:


1- to the series side
2- to the singles side


in this case however, it ended on the series side.


[attachimg=2]


after the above next outcome we can speculate that it will continue changing.


now if we bet it will form a serie only two states remain present (hoovering then imbalance towards series)


so not the 3 states are present in a row.


[attachimg=3]


it indeed form another serie and know we have a series of series broken by a single.


(to be continued)


any thoughts on this?

LOL i read the first line of your post and i see you understand the different states - very nice.

This is the answer to you question.

1) By observations you will be better of follow the flow

a) This is because noting is due to happen
b) This is because two previos states tends to hovering for 5,10 or 20 times in a row.

2) The hovering state can end with one serie witch make two series to chop or it can end with singels to chop being at least two in a row.

Note: As you self explain it above and base you question upon.

a) I succed flat betting and win 10 to 45 units using 300 trails sessions follow the wheel.
b) Did not succed to get the same results playing aginst the wheel.
c) It should be the same regarding math and probability.
d) You get 30 units draw downs or chaos during 1500 trails

3) Feel free to change or create any entering or exit points as i did not use any.

a) Explination and illustration.

RRR B RRR B RRR BBB Here the hovering state ends with at least two series ...

RRR B RRR B RRR BRB Here the hoveing state ends with at least two singels ...

RRR B RRR B RRR B RRR Here the hovering state continues to hovering ...

b) Now look at the two previos states witch determine how to place your two future bets following the random flow when it unfold.

BBB RRR B RRR

Here you would bet for a serie to follow as the previos state.
If a loss you would bet for the hovering state to continue.

Note that way you follow two state out of three.
If a loss again you have three state with one shoe each.

3) This topic show the results based upon the principal i mention above ...

link:://rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=9275.0

4) The algorithm is as follows.

a) You play follow the last and back to back placing two bets.

b) This way you capture three out of four minimum patterns using a cycel of 4 possibilitys:
XXX XXO XOX XOO
The losing pattern of formation is XOO witch can be RBB or BRR.

c) That pattern will connect with the previos one and you will have one "previos state" and one "current state".
Witch is the two state you follow at all times.

Note: This is not a hole grail - it is only one "march" that follow the wheel using three states.
Using this method is the first time i succed to gain 100 units flat betting placing 1000 bets.

That all - no more or less ...

Cheers

[ego]

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Some more or further explination about one alternativ for does who is intressted.

How i would out guess or follow the flow using three states and follow the last previos state and the current state

RRRBBRBB

Two states above ...

RRRBB The last previos state
BBRBB The current state

Two series that chop and one hovering state - then i would bet for two series to chop and if a loss i would bet that the last current state would continue to hovering.
If a loss then all three state would have one show each.

RRRBBRBBRBR

If i would have one hoveing state and one series of singels - then you would only have to place one single bet to capture one of the two states - the last previos and current state.

RRBRRRBRBBB

RRBRRR The hovering state

BRB One series of singels state

Now if that single bet would lose you would get one of each state "three" to show once each ...

RRBRRRBRBBBRRR


I use this dozen strategy using even money bets to discover that follow the wheel is much better then play against it.

This is a great way to understand and observe how the random flow unfold using three existing states.
The dozen strategy is that you bet aginst that one dozen will repeat - witch would be the same for the even money states.

Dozen:

1
2 W
1 W
2 W
3 W
1 W
2 W
1 W
1 L
1
1
2
1 W
2 W
2 L
2
3
3 L
1
1 L

EC:

2
2
2
1
1
1
1
1
2
1 W
1
2
2 W
2
1
2 W
1
2
2
2
2
1
1 W
2
1 W
2
1
1
2
1 L
1 W
1
1
1
2
1 L
2 W
2
2
2
1
1 W
1
2
1 W
1
2
1 L
1 L State repeat
1
2
2
2
1
1 L
1
2
2 L State repeat
2
1
1
2
2
2
2

Using the same method with three state with even money bets is very simple.

You see RRRBB Witch is one state - then you would play twice that a new state will show.
If not the last previos state repeat it self in the same way one dozen would do using the method described above - RRRBBRRBBB ...

Same with the other two states witch would look like this.

RBB = single state RBBRBB = Repeating state
RBRRR = single state RBRRRBRB = Repeating state

This is how i made my observations and any dozen strategy that exist apply using the three existing states for even money distribution.

With that experiment you should notice why it is better to follow then bet aginst the flow.
I just find out that two previos state hit more frequent and show that nothing is due to happen.

Cheers

[Bayes]

Hello Bayes

Thanks for your effort but when i start it i get error message "This system does not support fullscreen  mode" and i can not input anything.

Regards

Hi RH,

This sounds like a Windows error message, not Dosbox. Have you installed Dosbox? you can't run the program directly from Windows (except MAYBE xp). When you've installed Dosbox, run it, and you should get a window with some text and a prompt at the bottom: Z:\  From there you need to type the 'mount' line as shown in my instructions.

[Bayes]

The program is quite intuitive and easy to use, but some explanation of the 'options' area might be necessary, although after a bit of playing around you should see what they are -

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When you've fired up the program, just start clicking numbers on the layout to build up the chart (you won't see anything until after 2 or 3 spins). The program automatically plots the charts for RB, OE and HL, the default is RB, but by clicking on OE or HL you can see the charts for these at any time. By clicking on the "BL" boxes under them ("BL" stands for "Before Last"), you can also see the charts for the W/L sequences of betting "before last". The BL under RB gives you the chart for DBL betting RB, the BL under OE gives the chart for DBL betting OE, and the BL under HL gives the chart for betting HL.  So you have 6 options here and you can easily switch between charts just by clicking on the boxes.

The row of 3 empty boxes is something for a future version (I haven't decided what it will be yet - maybe a different "box size").

The 2 larger boxes at the bottom are for plotting W/L for any arbitrary bet selection. This works independently of the layout, so you don't have to enter any numbers at all if you don't want to; just click W/L to build up the chart for your bet selection.

KNOWN ISSUES
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There are a couple of "bugs" in the program. I didn't bother to fix them because in actual play the scenarios which lead to them are extremely unlikely to happen. You'll notice when there is a strong and prolonged deviation which takes the chart up (or down) to the edge of the plot window, the entire chart will adust down (or up). If this were to continue there would come a point when the start of the chart will also hit the edge of the chart area. If this happens (and it probably won't), the new points will overrun the plot area (either off the bottom of the chart or into the layout area above it).

The same thing will happen if you get a strong deviation up which "hits" the top of the chart area and then moves down to hit the bottom of the chart area (or vice-versa). Again, these are almost impossible scenarios from a probability point of view, so I didn't bother to write code to handle them.

[ego]

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Bayes i get the software up running with one simpel solution.
First i install dosbox then i download your software.
Then i just un-zip the folder and open it and click on the .exe file and pick "open with" then i just type dosbox and it works great.

My issue do is that i cant find the dosbox config file - do you know witch folder i should look for using Linux.
And many thanks for your awesome explination about the software.

[Bayes]

My issue do is that i can't find the dosbox config file - do you know witch folder i should look for using Linux.

It's in the .dosbox folder. Open your home folder using the file manager, then from the menu choose "View", check the box which says "Show Hidden files". You should see a folder in your home directory called .dosbox (note the "." in front of dosbox).

[ego]

I find it and run the sofware and it works like clockwork ... very cool - thanks ...

Cheers

[Robeenhuut]

It's in the .dosbox folder. Open your home folder using the file manager, then from the menu choose "View", check the box which says "Show Hidden files". You should see a folder in your home directory called .dosbox (note the "." in front of dosbox).

Still the same error message. Loaded dosbox and followed instructions. I have Windows 7.
I think it is a compatibility issue.

regards

[ego]

Still the same error message. Loaded dosbox and followed instructions. I have Windows 7.
I think it is a compatibility issue.

regards

We was refering to Linux and i don't think Windows 7 is the same thing ...

Cheers

[Bayes]

I know nothing about Windows 7, but this may help:

link:://:.dosgames.com/forum/about13511.html

[albertojonas]

Just trying to help with getting things running...I suggest for those running windows 7 that they download a frontend from the same page as DosBox.
this one is freeware and it is updated to work with Windows seven.

link:://:.loonies.narod.ru/dosshell.htm


Everything will run smooth. =)


Cheers

[albertojonas]

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Some more or further explination about one alternativ for does who is intressted.

How i would out guess or follow the flow using three states and follow the last previos state and the current state

@Ego


Thank you very much for clarifying your views on this.
I will reply further on this on the thread
link:://rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=9275.0
so it may not interfere with this great Point 'n' Figure Strategy.
However, i recon that it applicable to this graphs also. Further analyses will follow comparing the two types of indicators from both strategies. -And that was what triggered it from the start.
Many thanx.


Cheers   

[albertojonas]

1. Another thing to make use of is the grid. It's rare that the chart spans more than 4 squares vertically over 100 or so spins, so you could use this as a factor in your decisions, a little like the Bollinger bands some traders use.


2. ABOUT BS -"but some are less volatile than others, and that's the best you can hope for in my opinion."

1. In the software do you know the ecart each square represents? -It would be a nice option.=)


2. Appart from DBL did u research anymore Bet Selection?(will open a thread on this)




Cheers