density of moisture and humidity - air pressure & tides - gravity & moon phase

[ego]

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How does the air pressure effect the game ?

. Make the ball time inconsistent

. The ball is not striking the pins properly

. Change or make the degree of tilt to drift

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. Scatter becomes erratic

Witch elements do we speak of ?

. Rain

. Fog

. Hot & Cold Fronts

I read that fog and fronts affects the ball behavior witch affects chattering, strike, scatter.
Here is a chart with both warm and cold fronts witch would affect unpredictability.

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This is outside behavior - does that mean i have to measuring both outside and inside pressure?
I also read that some use Air pressure and tide, even gravity using moon charts affect the game.

The question is how you chart this and collect current data to pin point out the optimal conditions contra erratic conditions.
The only solution i can think of is to note outside weather conditions and the current air pressure inside the casino during scouting for wheels and during play.
Then after time pass collect significant data and compare results witch would  calibrate good and bad signs.

Here is a simple chart i find using air pressure and tide witch i like due its simplicity and clear figures ...

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(MB = millibar = units you measuring high/low pressure with)

As i understand it - so is density of moisture and humidity the key factors.
You more water present in the air will effect and give more erratic conditions towards the physics parameters we scout for.

Moon charts - Fact or fiction - i am not sure ...
Tides are the rise and fall of sea levels caused by the combined effects of the gravitational forces exerted by the Moon and the Sun and the rotation of the Earth.

There exist charts on-line following the moon phase each day.

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I read the following should be a good sign with out going to much into details.
Witch not guaranteed - but show optimal conditions with ball behavior and scatter consistency.

Full moon:
Usually the good days during a full moon period are, from the day of the full moon(after it had turned) up to 4 days later.

New moon:
Usually the good days during a new moon are from 3-4 days up to the day of the new moon.

What is your opinion about the subject ...

[Steve]

I have studied this at length:

How does the air pressure effect the game ?

. Make the ball time inconsistent

Yes

. The ball is not striking the pins properly

No

. Change or make the degree of tilt to drift

No

Most importantly it does NOT change the dominant diamonds at all. I recall someone released an article that suggested it does, but it doesn't. I would love to address this all in detail but it would only help people I don't want to help.

Air pressure is one of many variables that change ball deceleration.

Also effect of moon's gravity is minimal because the mass of the ball is only very small.

[Skakus]

 
Ball timings, and decay patterns/scatter would seem the most obvious behaviors to be affected by things like air pressure.

I would think the inside pressure would be more relevent than outside?

I find moon cycles affect me more than the roulette ball!

[Steve]

Inside and outside air pressure is the same. More than anything, general grit that accumulates on the ball track affects ball deceleration most.

[GARNabby]

Inside and outside air pressure is the same.

The air pressures next to the moving parts would be anyone's guess.

[GARNabby]

I find moon cycles affect me more than the roulette ball!

Apparently, there are more big winners on the full moons.

[Skakus]

 
Yes, surely in a general sense croupier's sticky/oily fingers and hair loss, etc, would have more impact than air pressure, but a well profiled wheel may reveal measurable changes due to air pressures and gravity variants. 

[Skakus]

 
What if the croupier had the barbequed ribs for lunch then came back on duty without washing his hands? 

[ego]

Yes, surely in a general sense croupier's sticky/oily fingers and hair loss, etc, would have more impact than air pressure, but a well profiled wheel may reveal measurable changes due to air pressures and gravity variants.

Now you speak like some one i know :-)

I find a old post at GG about a RC challange between Mark and Laurance 2002-2004 ...
At the middel of the topic Mark go crazy about air pressure and post everything he know about the subject - pretty cool read ...
link:://:.gamblersglen.com/cgi-bin/teemz/teemz.cgi?board=_master&action=opentopic&forum=Roulette_Archive&topic=1076

[Steve]

mark is a sick person. Really it is difficult to fathom how screwed up he is - seriously almost everything he says is sewerage, not a small accomplishment. Like kelly and brett said, he only changed the terms to escape the challenge, knowing the terms were unreasonable, but pretending his "upping" of the stakes are a sign of his confidence. Not everyone is as silly as he hopes.

As for what he said, Mark is an expert and pulling data from other websites and providing streams of data, claiming it supports his claims, when he has no idea what the data means or what he is actually saying.

There are so many holes in what mark says. The Bernoulli effect is negligible in this case. Laurence knows better than him. Take a barometric watch from inside to outside the casino, from warm to cold or vice versa. No pressure change. Mark says doing this supports his claims, but clearly he has never done it himself or he'd know what he says is garbage.

The casino is not airtight. Mark is right about eddie currents, but that causes only momentary changes in air pressure. Real air pressure that affects ball decelerations is not affected by heat itself. But heat can influence humidity, and humidity influences ball deceleration.

you need only see mark's computers for yourself to understand what he is. people don't get much more screwed up than him. you can get two of them for free and see for yourself. just follow the links on roulettecomputers.com in the bottom left popup

on the matter of air pressure, if mark's claims were true:

i. A barometric watch would reflect it, but it doesn't.

ii. When you exited a warm building into the cold outside, you would feel the air pressure difference in your ears (like the pop you feel in an aircraft). But you feel nothing of the sort because there is no significant difference unless a building is fully airtight. No casino is airtight.

Sure pressure difference is needed for air to move outside. Mark needs to understand that movement equalizes the pressure.

Again, mark is an expert at referencing other websites and material to overload people, trying to make a point as if he's smart or something. But he has no idea what he's saying. He's just a manipulative conman trying to promote a scam. Ultimately test his computers and you'll understand him better.

[ego]

Well assume that is true and i don't swallow everything i read.
But when i read that some watches that measuring air pressure have setting by default - then i made me think about a watch i read about where you had to put in the data your self regarding sea level and latitude and so one - i recon does observations are correct.

Personally i am looking for a watch.
I find that Casio is cheap - but not sure how acc it is and if you can make your own default settings.
Recon that i have to spend 150 to 500 Euro to get a good tool/watch ...

I find one very good topic about the subject do - but can not grasp it all.
It is about absolut air pressure, latitude, sea level among other parameters using a watch...
link:://forums.watchuseek.com/f374/altitude-barometric-pressure-abc-watches-explained-266991.html

Cheers

[Steve]

I have sold a lot of barometric watches to players. They are mostly pretty similar in accuracy whether you pay $100 or $500. You don't need to pay more than $150 maximum.

by the way air pressure does not significantly affect scatter. The differences in air pressure only significantly affect the ball while on the ball track. it mostly varies travel distance of ball, and speed of ball when it drops (to lesser degree). The diamond hit are NOT affected by air pressure changes - not by any significant or even measurable amount.

Others may say otherwise. When the ball bounces, what is the relative force between gravity and air friction? The air has almost no effect once the ball leaves the ball track. Those "pro" bias players are wrong.

[Steve]

Also:

. Change or make the degree of tilt to drift

YES NO!

. Ball jumps or scatter with high variance

YES NO!

Whoever told you otherwise is wrong.

[ego]

So how do you make it practical ...

I just measuring air pressure inside the casino and make notes of current millibars values.
Then i as allways scout for wheels and play.
Does times i notice erratic behavior i compare does air pressure values with does when i have good conditions - to see if the collected data calibrate and show me some significant signs about different situations ...

I read that distance/yardage drift during 1K sample with 5 millibars difference from one player who is into bias - witch i find be intressting data - as it would effect playing a long term wheel with X method ...
Conclusion is that it would be pretty obvios to keep track of daily/hour air pressure.

On the other side - if oil on hands then ball can make so much change then why to bother with change which doesn’t change rapidly and creates much smaller effect.

Cheers

[Steve]

if you track air pressure, use scale of height instead of pressure - its easier to follow. Calibrate to 0m on your reference day. About +/-15m is relevant but it depends on the wheel and ball. Although there are so many more relevant variables than air pressure to the point where realistically, air pressure can only be a rough estimate of changed conditions.

Definitely scatter does not change, unless you are talking large enough differences to significantly change the ball speed when it falls, and the trajectory at which it falls from the ball track. Slower fall means steeper trajectory and generally less scatter. But it would need to be a big air pressure difference to get significant differences. My software can measure actual ball fall speeds, but you need too many spins for it to be practical beyond an evaluation tool. For actual play, this is where barometer comes in handy. But again for it to change scatter and ball travel, you would need a big and unrealistic pressure difference.

On the other side - if oil on hands then ball can make so much change then why to bother with change which doesn’t change rapidly and creates much smaller effect.

Exactly. that's why I said "there are so many more relevant variables than air pressure to the point where realistically, air pressure can only be a rough estimate of changed conditions."