opinions please

[Johnlegend]

Bayes, there is no such a thing as "all win all the time". For example John Patrick is also sure that
following all his rules from his book everyone should sooner or later show positive edge over the game. But before u get this positive edge u may still lose quite a few bucks, right? For example i tried his stuff and lost (not too much, but lost anyway). I have no doubts that with some time
if i did not play frequently i could show positive edge after a while after spending some money on it. Well, i did not go for it.
The same story can be with John Legend's stuff. He has been playing this stuff for long time, he feels by his skin already all "dos" and "donts", and if he loses for a week or so he is still in big plus and does not panic.

I doubt that all the guys are in the same situation. They lost some and they gave up i guess. And they have no desire to continue, cause the stuff is not easy and takes time. No free lunch here.

You have more or less nailed it with this post Iggiv. You have to really stay with these methods for a long time to see their value. For example my last 1000 games with CODE 4 produced 4 losses. 273--w 1 lost 506--w 1 lost 49--w 1 lost 108--w 1 lost-----60 won.
Lets say someone else had played 500 games but got the REVERSE results to me. So instead of winning 273 then 506. They won 108 then 49. They would be in negative figures. Likely dismiss the method as a failure. And cease testing/playing it. And then nonsense my claims about its worth.

When they may have soon hit a winning streak of 400 plus. This I believe is what's been going on here for too long. Everyone wants the golden egg. A solid winner. But how many REALLY can put the real work in?? Theres no gift not even in gambling you have to work hard at it, stay with it to reap the rewards. I don't think many people realize this. They want a perfect method that never loses. IT doesn't EXIST. That's a fact without doubt. If it does you will get very few bets. So what will be the point??

That's why I've starting posting the breakdown of my winning streaks. Earlier sessions had losses 21 games apart. Did I stop playing the method because of this? Of course not its all part and parcel of randoms behaviour. You can't dictate where the losses will come but if you know the methods strength you know that sooner or later positive numbers are coming.

[subby]

To be fair I was getting stellar results playing code 4 until I messed up big. It's the discipline needed to play it correctly that's the fall down point for most people.

[TwoCatSam]

What, he asks, are TwoCat's special powers? 

I wish I knew!

Hey, folks and people; friends and neighbors..............

We have an exciting challenge ahead of us.  Once the new thread is opened, can we all just work toward a common goal?  Will I be trying to prove JL wrong?  You bet!  Because if I can't prove him wrong, I've got something real on my hands.

I would ask the "tweakers" to stand down.  It's their method; if it needs tweaking, they will or will have done that.  Usually, as Bayes suggests, tweaking is making the system fit the available data.  Reverse engineering.

So let's all play by the rules, try our best to honestly prove him wrong and rejoice if we can't.

Sam

[iggiv]

John Legend, please take it easy when they declare your method as a failure. It would be really shame if u r gone from here. I believe that most of the members want u here and have great interest in your information. Well, this is a case for me.

So if u get negative responses about your methods, u better don't take it personally. and i appreciate  very much your info.

[GARNabby]

Yes, there are no reasons for him to lie, and he is not a kind of a forum member to fool the public. He is a serious fella.

No one is saying otherwise.  But you can't hide, or reveal, truths which you don't know.  Doesn't matter how honest, or nice, a person is regarding what they can, or can't, do.  Some of the meanest characters contribute some of the greatest works.

... there are extraordinary people like John Patrick

He lost all credibility many years ago after faking a casino-trip video.  Besides that, today, the "leading authority on gambling" can't be found at any of the tables of note..

[Bayes]

Just to set the record straight, JL is the one who has said he'll leave the forum if this latest incarnation of CODE4 fails for 10 members, it was HIS suggestion, not mine. I've no desire to drive JL away from the forum, and as he's pointed out, some of the systems he hypes weren't even his ideas.

Also, iggiv, you misread what I wrote, I didn't say "all win all the time", and I'm not sure what that means anyway. If JL's system wins overall (total wins - total losses > 0) then that's the holy grail, isn't it?

It isn't really JL's bet selections that are the problem for me, it's his money management (martingale) and the fact that he makes OTT claims. I think members are blinded by the bet selections because they seem kind of clever in that they 'go against random'. The premise is that random behaves a certain way, and these bet selections go another way, therefore you can't lose! That's just plain wrong. Think about it - if the bet selections were really that great, you wouldn't have to resort to doubling up your stakes.

If anyone else suggested this kind of MM with more 'mundane' bet selections, they would very quickly be set straight, right?

[ego]

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@Johnlegend

I don't know much about how you play - but i know you can be winning allot using various methods.
I speak to pepole who i trust and that are serious system players - they state that you can be ahead for months playing systems.
But they also state that sooner or later there are some serious drawdowns or sequences from hell no matter how you play witch take such a big bite into your bankroll that they don't feel it was worth it at the very end.
So i wondering - even if you can win overall - is it worth it - i guess only does who play nonstop for 1 to 2 years in a row could answer that question.

[superman]

Its quite amusing that 5 of the nearly 10 people making up the assault team are people who would like to see me gone from here permanently

I think we know who your "famous 5" are, well, from my side, I don't wish to see anyone leave the forum, we've got used to the OTT hype you provide as posts from the 5 don't appear much on your threads anymore. I don't think any of the 5 care if you stay or go.

I just hope your explanation is good for the method you are about to launch on the world, hopefully you will fully cover the hit n run (main part according to yourself) in your descrpition as with all your methods so far, you have maintained that nobody has been playing "like you" would play and this seems to have been the achillies heel so far.

I will be playing the challenge at dublinbet, no RNG, (although as always I will code it for rng too) do you approve of dublinbet live wheel JL?

[Bayes]

John Legend, please take it easy when they declare your method as a failure.

"when" they declare your method as a failure? hey, let's not jump the gun. It sounds like either you yourself don't have any faith that it will work, or that "they" are out to attack JL. I think I speak for everyone when I say that I want JL's method to be as successful as he claims it to be. Let's not make this about personalities, but about the merit of the method itself, no more and no less. 

I will be playing the challenge at dublinbet

Me too. No nasty RNG. 

[Skakus]

No one’s playing nothing unless you wild west bunch of thread hijackers get 10 starters. So far you have 8, which is not bad considering there are about 3,500 members on this forum.    
Seeing as you have shredded my thread I’ll put my hand up as player 9.

How will his work? Are the exact rules of play going to be posted?

If so, once they’re posted there should be a sample session of spins that all the players complete then post their results. If we get 10 identical bank balances we will be ready to roll.
  1.    Bayes
2. Vundarosa
3. Robeenhut
4. Alberto Jonas
5. TwoCat
6. Sniper
7. Superman
8. Atlantis
9. skakus

[sniper]

Hello JL,


I will test your system exactly as you post without any tweak. I will report back the outcome as I play it out without fear or favor.


At this moment I am playing at the B&M casino 6 to 8 hours per day and 7 days a week.


Regards.

[Rolletti]

Gentlemen, let me complete the list.

1. Bayes
2. Vundarosa
3. Robeenhut
4. Alberto Jonas
5. TwoCat
6. Sniper
7. Superman
8. Atlantis
9. skakus
10. Rolletti

And to come back to topic:
Yesterday I did some calculation concerning edge. I took some old results posted by JL and came to the result that he has an edge of about 8.5% with D&C.

I posted my games in the who is currently making money topic. For my games I have an edge of about 3.8% playing online real wheel and RNG.

Concerning BR: I started with 100$ making smaller or bigger bets, betting overall 31000$ in the past 1 month winning net about 1000$. What I want so say is that when talking about edge and BR its not necessary with an edge of 2 % to have 2500$ BR in order to make a 50$ daily on average. Do the math. Average means you have good and bad days.

[Still]

1. Bayes
2. Vundarosa
3. Robeenhut
4. Alberto Jonas
5. TwoCat
6. Sniper
7. Superman
8. Atlantis
9. skakus
10. Rolletti
11. Still

Only need one more to tell the world the good news. 

i'm a US Citizen without yet a live account.  Any suggestions, please advise.  BR=100. 

[Bayes]

How will his work? Are the exact rules of play going to be posted?

If so, once they’re posted there should be a sample session of spins that all the players complete then post their results. If we get 10 identical bank balances we will be ready to roll.

Good to have you on board, Skakus. 

JL said he's going to post the rules this evening (GMT as I think he's in the UK). Can you wait that long? 

Great idea about the sample session, that way we'll know if we're all on the same page. 

[Robeenhuut]

i think JL somehow feels the "rhythm" of his methods when to start and when to quit plus money management stuff. Some kind of ability like some others have about VB for example. Yes, there are no reasons for him to lie, and he is not a kind of a forum member to fool the public. He is a serious fella.

there are extraordinary people like John Patrick and Brett Morton, they achieve good results with regular losing (for majority) methods. they have already a gut feeling for roulette i think.


and it will be interesting for me to see his (JL) results as well

Hello Iggiv

I disagree with you on your  take on roulette gurus like Patrick,Morton,Ward Dickson,Ellison,John Solitude,Diodoro and etc. No systems ever produced by them were proven to be a long time winners- they were nicely presented with lots of theoretical explanations but.... Yeah i learned lots from them. What not to do RWD system is the most appealing one but not very playable. Its an example of what might actually work in roulette. Recognizing and riding a trend. It never works 100% but you have greater chance of winning then playing as you said a rigid system over and over again. Yesterday i saw for example on SML 0,10,20,30 combination hit 16 times in a row separated by less than 9 spins. The day before 12 times. Somebody posted before here a system based on exploiting previous combination of numbers.  Gamblers fallacy?  Maybe but it works many times. As to JL methods of play. At least we know that you can not play them continuously. And any other person playing his style might produce a completely different strike rate. Over 4k games played its a pretty high number but considered odds of 1\81 its like playing 400 games of any 1\8 event like for example P4. The overall strike rate might fluctuate a lot because a sample size its not big enough yet. The reported strike rate of D&C played hit n run style is around 11\1 as opposed to average expected 9\1 so its only 20% better.  In Code 4 we have 300\1 so far.

Regards