Is my online casino cheating?

[ausguy]

A plus for me winning on Smart Live was the leverage factor of the exchange rate. 1 GBP gave me about $1.61 OZ. So in approximate terms similar betting in Australia would have needed 61% more betting time pro rata to win the same amount.

Mr ROB. Euros have a GBP to Euros exchange advantage too, 1 quid = about 1.25 Euro a 25% play advantage, only if you win, naturally.

Yes the SL manipulation of peoples minds comes in many ways. Nothing motivates people more than the lure of lots of money, thus big money roulette winners on the player win board.  Look how they pile into buying big lotto jackpots or swamp the poker/slot machines for the large super jackpots.  It's the big business of tapping the natural resource of basic human greed.

[downthehatch]

DTH - All I know is my SL losses are well above the norm when compared to B  & M similar method play here in Sydney OZ, airball excluded.

hi Mr Ausguy,   Cound not you simply have lost because you were there at the wrong time? i.e you were unlucky!!

On line is good mainly due to the convenience factor. Now that I have a decent bankroll I'll travel the 75 min.each way trip to THE STAR & virtual test some code 4 based ideas on multiple tables. If it shows promise then I'll play for real $$$$.

SL can still cheat and have legal compliance. Audits only concern themselves with longer term payout %s. They could still kill a large or large bets as they only represent blip spikes on the play radar. Probably cheating is more relevant to airball as they all have wheel/ball reading technology. Also we never know if the spun result is the actual live one or one from a data bank? As you usually hear a spin happening in the background ahead of the video image? Also sometimes the video image freezes but the spin results eventually will still process on the layout.

This means they have 2 separate feeds, surely the main indicator for possible manipulation ?

I was once a foreman of a jury on a very serious case, as then i wanted to see/hear substantial and essentially damning evidence before i chose yea or ney. Likewise the cheating proposal, in all my years i have never even remotely seen any sort of unusual behaviour, what i know is how badly i have played!!
also for example last year i was losing on another useless system and i became so frustrated i just started betting on my fave number 30, £50 a time, from my last £1000 (just to show how luncacy affects many gamblers this was money i could not afford to lose, of course i won on the 5th or so bet winning £1800,
a couple of months later the same thing happened but this time i bet £100 and sure enough i won £3500, but why did not they move the ball?
its all to easy to start thinking irrationally on any gambling event and particularly roulette, in the end one believes what one believes, The numbers of people involved in say the tampering of air balls or whatever on the main large bookie sites would i 'believe' result in the 'conspiracy' being discovered, also again i think you would regularly see what i could only describe as very very very unusual ball movements, what if there were numerous players all potentially winning large sums, how would the 'manipulator' decide what to do in the blink of an eye, like all conspiracy theories for me it just does not add up!

Also your win would not trouble them at all, but if you were doing it several times a day, week after week it would trouble them and they would 'cheat' by banning you or so im led to 'believe'DTH - The 1,300 you withdrew, was that from airball winnings ? How much was your money & how much was SL money?

Most was my money.

Another thing that's been mentioned elsewhere re SL is the display of free play bets in with the real money bets ? Obvously this distorts the true position of the table bets. Also, we never know if some of the big wins shown are real or fictitious creations of SL ?

I do think they do that, there are actually two sets of winners, on the live feed with live dealer they show winners i now believer that contain 'fun' players, but there is another list of winners on the statistics side that i think are the real winners (or visa versa)

what i think is far more amazing is how you manage your systems.!!! within the time frame of a spin, fantastic,
Cheers and good luck
Dth

[ausguy]

DTH - Re:Your comment about managing my bets within the spin time frame window?

As I said in my post #21 on this thread I was only betting on 1 outside even money bet in an alternating O/E & R/B pattern. The trigger was always the "same as" number using the last spin. The progression was std. Marty off the $10 table minimum. When the losses reached L4 prog. = $80, I would actually outlay $85 on the even no. &  a $5 insurance bet on zero. total bet $90. Loss risk is that $90. Win on the $85 bet - $5 zero bet = $80 = same as 3rd dbl up & so wins net $10.

A win on zero would give $175 - $85 = $90 profit. I always go a bit higher on the zero bets then the calculated break even amounts for a chance of some extra profit. All these insurance bets are pre calc'd for all the levels L4 & above (written down). So at lower levels I'm only placing 1 bet. At higher levels I only had to bet on 2 positions. Most bets were down with 30 sec. still on the clock.

What paid dividends at 1 period of the play = 47 bet lines were 4 Zero win strikes all on higher insurance bets with no other zeros appearing . Please substitute the dollar symbol for pounds here as my keyboard does not have that icon. I had a $5 winner - $85 = +$90, a $25 winner -$190 = +$685, a $10 winner - $110 = +$240 & a $25 winner - -$230 = $645. This gave me just about 1/2 of my total win profit. All up it was 3200 GBP. The insurance bets fluctuated a bit as I was getting a little tired so sometimes bet a little more.

In the next 95 spins zero only dropped twice at low level bets. Higher level bets won and the extra insurance amounts were always recovered. The highest bets were $225, 2 levels under the $1,000 table max. So luck made all the difference to my results for sure.

As with your luck being in on those straight up wins who knows the true answer to variable player & dealer conditions?

What I do think is that with many large bets in numerous positions by a handful of punters in busy periods they don't need to worry as only 1 position wins & 36 lose on the inside numbers.

Naturally this is the case all the time. To test a perceived conspiracy theory a player would have to play the live dealer wheel the same method in time blocks at different times of the day over a number of days, if the bankroll could support the campaign?  Seeing that the table runs 9am to 6am the next day = 21 hours. Oh yeah, I'm in Oz so the time difference at this time of the seasons is + 10 GMT & +9 hours summer time. 27 deg.C. Oh please you SL lady motor mouths, it's winter here and was only 18 deg. C here today. Eventually in 6 months it may be 27 deg. C late at night?

Anyway 11pm UK is 8am the next day here in Sydney, so when your drinking warm beer I'm into bacon & eggs + coffee & toast. Live table play @ 6am there is 3pm in the arvo here. I've been caught out a few times with it as in summer here the time diff. increases to 11 hours with the daylight save adjusts.

Overall though the technology is amazing in that I can sit at home here in the suburbs in OZ. With a few clicks of the mouse log on to a casino 12,000 miles away in London. Transfer some bank funds via my debit card into my casino a/c. Select the game I wish to play and at the speed of light my bets are relayed onto the onscreen table & the bet info is updated & relayed back to me at the speed of light. At the same time I get the yabba yabba of those presenters. I'm thankful for the low volume option. What they should cater for more is for people from elsewhere in the world. Like who cares about Pommy soccer when the Aussie Rugby League session is full on ?   

Yes I do agree with you about constant disciplined play. A lot of the time failures are due to the variables of the human body & mind. Deviating from the proven game plan particularly too small a bankroll has brought many a player undone. I know because I've been there a number of times. I consider myself extremely lucky to have won such a large amount last wed. off only a 100 GBP B/R. I cashed out as past history told me that this was a rare event. Actually the win was a return of most of my losses with SL over time so effectively it's pretty much my own money I have back.

My new venture based somewhat on code 4 is taking shape. I'll be testing it sometime next week at the Sydney Casino & posting my results. Hopefully it will be a goer & I'll be well prepared to rock on in and lay my money on the line. What I'd like to do is buy a new car. The last new one I bought was over 40 years ago. The rest have been used models. How great it would be to front my chosen dealer with $40k bucks and say "I want that one."  1st up though I have to get the runs on the board, so I ain't daydreaming about it.

[downthehatch]

DTH - Re:Your comment about managing my bets within the spin time frame window?

As I said in my post #21 on this thread I was only betting on 1 outside even money bet in an alternating O/E & R/B pattern. The trigger was always the "same as" number using the last spin. The progression was std. Marty off the $10 table minimum. When the losses reached L4 prog. = $80, I would actually outlay $85 on the even no. &  a $5 insurance bet on zero. total bet $90. Loss risk is that $90. Win on the $85 bet - $5 zero bet = $80 = same as 3rd dbl up & so wins net $10.

A win on zero would give $175 - $85 = $90 profit. I always go a bit higher on the zero bets then the calculated break even amounts for a chance of some extra profit. All these insurance bets are pre calc'd for all the levels L4 & above (written down). So at lower levels I'm only placing 1 bet. At higher levels I only had to bet on 2 positions. Most bets were down with 30 sec. still on the clock.

What paid dividends at 1 period of the play = 47 bet lines were 4 Zero win strikes all on higher insurance bets with no other zeros appearing . Please substitute the dollar symbol for pounds here as my keyboard does not have that icon. I had a $5 winner - $85 = +$90, a $25 winner -$190 = +$685, a $10 winner - $110 = +$240 & a $25 winner - -$230 = $645. This gave me just about 1/2 of my total win profit. All up it was 3200 GBP. The insurance bets fluctuated a bit as I was getting a little tired so sometimes bet a little more.

In the next 95 spins zero only dropped twice at low level bets. Higher level bets won and the extra insurance amounts were always recovered. The highest bets were $225, 2 levels under the $1,000 table max. So luck made all the difference to my results for sure.

As with your luck being in on those straight up wins who knows the true answer to variable player & dealer conditions?

What I do think is that with many large bets in numerous positions by a handful of punters in busy periods they don't need to worry as only 1 position wins & 36 lose on the inside numbers.

Naturally this is the case all the time. To test a perceived conspiracy theory a player would have to play the live dealer wheel the same method in time blocks at different times of the day over a number of days, if the bankroll could support the campaign?  Seeing that the table runs 9am to 6am the next day = 21 hours. Oh yeah, I'm in Oz so the time difference at this time of the seasons is + 10 GMT & +9 hours summer time. 27 deg.C. Oh please you SL lady motor mouths, it's winter here and was only 18 deg. C here today. Eventually in 6 months it may be 27 deg. C late at night?

Anyway 11pm UK is 8am the next day here in Sydney, so when your drinking warm beer I'm into bacon & eggs + coffee & toast. Live table play @ 6am there is 3pm in the arvo here. I've been caught out a few times with it as in summer here the time diff. increases to 11 hours with the daylight save adjusts.

Overall though the technology is amazing in that I can sit at home here in the suburbs in OZ. With a few clicks of the mouse log on to a casino 12,000 miles away in London. Transfer some bank funds via my debit card into my casino a/c. Select the game I wish to play and at the speed of light my bets are relayed onto the onscreen table & the bet info is updated & relayed back to me at the speed of light. At the same time I get the yabba yabba of those presenters. I'm thankful for the low volume option. What they should cater for more is for people from elsewhere in the world. Like who cares about Pommy soccer when the Aussie Rugby League session is full on ?   

Yes I do agree with you about constant disciplined play. A lot of the time failures are due to the variables of the human body & mind. Deviating from the proven game plan particularly too small a bankroll has brought many a player undone. I know because I've been there a number of times. I consider myself extremely lucky to have won such a large amount last wed. off only a 100 GBP B/R. I cashed out as past history told me that this was a rare event. Actually the win was a return of most of my losses with SL over time so effectively it's pretty much my own money I have back.

My new venture based somewhat on code 4 is taking shape. I'll be testing it sometime next week at the Sydney Casino & posting my results. Hopefully it will be a goer & I'll be well prepared to rock on in and lay my money on the line. What I'd like to do is buy a new car. The last new one I bought was over 40 years ago. The rest have been used models. How great it would be to front my chosen dealer with $40k bucks and say "I want that one."  1st up though I have to get the runs on the board, so I ain't daydreaming about it.

hi
many thanks for your very interesting reply
if i have £100 to spare i might give it a whirl re your even chance game!! Im off to Thailand 4 a nice holiday in September and may try it just before i go for a bit of fun!! strange things indeed happen at roulette,  A Little while ago there was a tv documentary over here, about gambling addiction,
one guy played £100 up to £10,000 !!! but lost the lot two days later!!

today a 26 spin run without any column A numbers appearing, i won after starting the prog at 19th spin.

by the way i had a look at william hill live, a new table has appeared that has a £1 min and £1000 max for single numbers, + £1 min to £12,000 max for dozens and columns, and a max table bet of £500.000 !!!nice work if you can get it.

Very best of luck with your new plan
Cheers Dth

[Stewart032]

Since I haven’t tried playing there, I can’t tell whether the site is cheating or not. Guys, always choose provably fair games; it’s for your own good! Always calculate and verify through the public ledger if you feel that you are cheated.

[rajucb12]

Thanks for share it.Many many thanks for your interesting reply.If I have £200 to spare I might give it a whirl re your even chance game. I am off to Thailand 4 a nice holiday in September and may try it just before i go for a bit of fun!! strange things indeed happen at roulette,