Is my online casino cheating?

[Robeenhuut]

Hi i wonder if you could elaborate on that 'bet against 25 etc"  Do you mean betting on say dozen 2 and 3 if dozen 1 has not appeared for numerous times? and what progression would be used?

another bet the other day, started after non appearance after 14 spins, it hit on 20th spin, and in the meantime column C had built up to 15 non appearance, i then bet that and it hit immediately!

just wondered also there is any way of extending a progression for one dozen play? (or i column)

Cheers Dth

Hello

Its like opportunity bet. I personally would use 112346 progression. Today i saw 1 DZ sleep for 16 spins and it hit when i was ready to start betting    If you want to go longer its up to you.
I never saw more than 25 spins without hit but...30 is of course possible so exercise your sound judgement.

Regards                                                   

[Drazen]

My friend Robenhuut i gave you so many times friendly advice not to play in SMC where you play. It has been proved and discussed many times on many forums that they are cheating by changing video feed, but you just wont listen.


In almost all of your sessions you see dozen sleep for 15 times or any other looong sleeping things.. Not impossible but darn not so often..


Best


Drazen

[subby]

I've had the 3rd column sleep for 29 spins before but that was RNG
I've also had 2nd doz hit 14 times in a row on RNG too...

[Robeenhuut]

My friend Robenhuut i gave you so many times friendly advice not to play in SMC where you play. It has been proved and discussed many times on many forums that they are cheating by changing video feed, but you just won't listen.


In almost all of your sessions you see dozen sleep for 15 times or any other looong sleeping things.. Not impossible but darn not so often..


Best


Drazen

Hello Drazen

If you look 4 certain things and spend so much time online then you see certain things. I did not see nothing out of ordinary on SML air ball recently. And if you calculate the odds of 1 DZ sleeping for 15 spins its like any EC hitting 9 times in a row so really nothing out of ordinary 

Regards

[Drazen]

I did not see nothing out of ordinary on SML air ball recently.

When you see it will be too late...
As you wish my friend.


It is silly to neglect such warnings, but you are obviosuly too confident and no one can change your mind except (lets hope not to) SLC..


Good luck


Drazen

[Robeenhuut]

When you see it will be too late...
As you wish my friend.


It is silly to neglect such warnings, but you are obviosuly too confident and no one can change your mind except (lets hope not to) SLC..


Good luck


Drazen

Its not about overconfidence. There are not really that many good options out there.  I checked out few other casinos already 

[ausguy]

DTH - I have an account with & play intermittently on Smart Live. My main concern is the poor on line graphics of the slow image resolution of their live dealer roulette wheel.

What I've been wondering is what the UK Sky Channel on screen graphics resolution is like compared to the on line computer images? What's the setup with SL TV broadcasting? Does it not run 21 hours as is the live play?

I'm way down here in OZ so we don't get the sky channel feed.

Some of what does show on my PC of the ball drops almosts replicates the RNG animated wheels?
There is also a few seconds feed delay of the spin image compared to the ball spin audio?
It makes me wonder about true random wheel spins?

I'm confident my computer resolution is ok as demo spins on Steves wheels show up well. Also you tube spins similar.

Earlier this week my luck stayed positive on SL live dealer roulette and what started out as a 100 GBP flutter ended up as a 3,300 GBP a/c balance. I left 150 GBP in the a/c for some more fluttering and activated a 3,150 GBP withdrawal. It's now 3 business days and still nil money. Their terms say MUST BE WITHIN 3 - 5 business days. What a load of BS that is, it sucks. I have 2 debit card accounts with them with all the ID requirements supplied. That should not be an issue as I've already had a smaller amount processed some months ago on the same a/c as this current withdrawal request?

My gripe is that they get a players money virtually instantly yet they say you have to wait up to 5 business days to get a pay out? Imagine if a B & M casino said to winners "come back in 3 - 5 days
and we'll see what we can do for you" like I said it's a big load of BS.

The last withdrawal (my 1st) was completed in 3 UK bus.days. I'll update this site once (if?) SL coughs up the readies?

I also noticed in their T & Cs on bonuses that they don't credit even money bets & similar at all, would pay to have a read, their rules are outrageous?

As to how I played - Pretty basic outside even money bets on colour then alternating to odd & even on Marty progression & repeating the pattern.  On higher amounts I had cover on Zero, higher than needed. I got 4  Z hits in 47 spins, this boosted the pot by abt. + 1500 quid.
I'm not getting too carried away with the win as it pretty much gives me a break even result matching my losses over the past 15 months. I guess getting your money back is the next best thing to a nice profit win.

I later returned the day of my  SL win & played the 150 quid still in the a/c. By then it was around 3am in the UK & rather quiet with players & bets. Playing the same way as before the drops went mostly opposite? I was bust in 40 minutes. Only consolation was that it was SL money.

I'm weighing up CODE 4 presently. I may well give it a good shot with a decent bankroll ( thanks maybe to SL? )  at the local Sydney OZ Casino in a couple of weeks. They often have more than a dozen active dealer tables all grouped together. I'm thinking I may be able to play multiple random table hit & run using the marquee numbers ( now very reliable latest gen. techno ball reading ) to substantially reduce the non betting spins.

It might be best to do a virtual test 1st to mainly assess the physical limits of the betting method.

I've done dozens of on the run betting on 4 tables before, off marquee numbers. After an hour I was worn out keeping up. I would expect 2 or maybe 3 tables would be the max., time will tell?

[downthehatch]

Hello Drazen

If you look 4 certain things and spend so much time online then you see certain things. I did not see nothing out of ordinary on SML air ball recently. And if you calculate the odds of 1 DZ sleeping for 15 spins its like any EC hitting 9 times in a row so really nothing out of ordinary 

Regards

Absolutely true, its quite quite common, however we seem to be 'programmed' as a species to live in the short term (i presume by evolution) i.e 'where's the next food and drink coming from', our judgement of the 'rarity' of runs of this or that at roulette or any other game of chance is clouded by our shortermism, think in terms of 'millenia' of spins, nothing odd happens.

just logged on and saw run of 13 no hit column B,  i bet on every col b number and the column itself, hit first time, so far so good
Cheers Dth

[frogger100]

cheers for that,sent them an email telling them to get stuffed now!

[downthehatch]

DTH - I have an account with & play intermittently on Smart Live. My main concern is the poor on line graphics of the slow image resolution of their live dealer roulette wheel.

What I've been wondering is what the UK Sky Channel on screen graphics resolution is like compared to the on line computer images? What's the setup with SL TV broadcasting? Does it not run 21 hours as is the live play?

Hi I dont have Sky, it comes on TV on normal terrestial channel at midnight or 1pm, the image on my on line seem ok to me!

I'm way down here in OZ so we don't get the sky channel feed.

Some of what does show on my PC of the ball drops almosts replicates the RNG animated wheels?
There is also a few seconds feed delay of the spin image compared to the ball spin audio?
It makes me wonder about true random wheel spins?

I presume this touches on the 'cheating' question, again i think the reputable large bookmaker sites and Tv sites, why should they need to cheat?? they are making millions from all sorts of gambling, they are not fools and know most roulette players are either idiots or ignorant or simply addicts!!

just look at the betting patterns on Smart live, on the online site you can see players bets and many use the 'cover most numbers' method that they think will guarantee wins as a large percentage of the table is covered, of course its just part of the great roulette fallacy that has fed vast profits into Casinos since the year dot! I dont think such casinos are in the least bothered about occasional large wins by someone (to win large you must bet large) they know that 99% of the time that 'winner' will return and lose, in the meantime they hoover in relentlessly proftis from the rest.

I have played air ball many times now and have not seen any 'suspicious' movements, in real b&m, live deal and air ball, sometimes a ball will spin out when it looks just about in, or hit one of the walls of the number compartment and catapult to another part of the wheel, its perfectly normal.

As i said on a previous post i think in some backwater casinos in turkistan or burma or god knows where one suspects 'cheating' will occur but not the main sites.I'm confident my computer resolution is ok as demo spins on Steves wheels show up well. Also you tube spins similar.

Earlier this week my luck stayed positive on SL live dealer roulette and what started out as a 100 GBP flutter ended up as a 3,300 GBP a/c balance. I left 150 GBP in the a/c for some more fluttering and activated a 3,150 GBP withdrawal. It's now 3 business days and still nil money. Their terms say MUST BE WITHIN 3 - 5 business days. What a load of BS that is, it sucks. I have 2 debit card accounts with them with all the ID requirements supplied. That should not be an issue as I've already had a smaller amount processed some months ago on the same a/c as this current withdrawal request?

Fantastic win well done

i recently withdrew £1,300 from Sml, arrived after 4 days

My gripe is that they get a players money virtually instantly yet they say you have to wait up to 5 business days to get a pay out? Imagine if a B & M casino said to winners "come back in 3 - 5 days
and we'll see what we can do for you" like I said it's a big load of BS.

The last withdrawal (my 1st) was completed in 3 UK bus.days. I'll update this site once (if?) SL coughs up the readies?

I also noticed in their T & Cs on bonuses that they don't credit even money bets & similar at all, would pay to have a read, their rules are outrageous?

As to how I played - Pretty basic outside even money bets on colour then alternating to odd & even on Marty progression & repeating the pattern.  On higher amounts I had cover on Zero, higher than needed. I got 4  Z hits in 47 spins, this boosted the pot by abt. + 1500 quid.
I'm not getting too carried away with the win as it pretty much gives me a break even result matching my losses over the past 15 months. I guess getting your money back is the next best thing to a nice profit win.

I later returned the day of my  SL win & played the 150 quid still in the a/c. By then it was around 3am in the UK & rather quiet with players & bets. Playing the same way as before the drops went mostly opposite? I was bust in 40 minutes. Only consolation was that it was SL money.

I'm weighing up CODE 4 presently. I may well give it a good shot with a decent bankroll ( thanks maybe to SL? )  at the local Sydney OZ Casino in a couple of weeks. They often have more than a dozen active dealer tables all grouped together. I'm thinking I may be able to play multiple random table hit & run using the marquee numbers ( now very reliable latest gen. techno ball reading ) to substantially reduce the non betting spins.

It might be best to do a virtual test 1st to mainly assess the physical limits of the betting method.

I've done dozens of on the run betting on 4 tables before, off marquee numbers. After an hour I was worn out keeping up. I would expect 2 or maybe 3 tables would be the max., time will tell?

Cheeers Dth

[ausguy]

Update on Smart Live win payout - I'm pleased to report that SL have now paid out my winnings of 3,150 GBP = $5,000 + AUD into my debit card bank a/c here in Sydney, Australia.  3 1/2 days it took but the main thing is that they paid out.

For me my local B & M casino will be my venue choice for the foreseeable future, I consider my SL win as a rare lucky streak. For now I'll be putting SL into "cold storage."

I plan on a visit to my local Sydney casino soon to VIRTUAL BET test the soundness of random betting using 8 live dealer tables before risking any real money?

A wheel vs wheel strategy. That is trigger bets on one table then use those triggers to bet on the next available spins at another randomly chosen table.  I'll probably use code 4 twin dozens & columns as the bet basis. I will be going with a hit & run strategy of any 1 win or 3 progression losses to then stop & reset the bet process again at another randomly chosen table.

The plan is to have multiple banks in line with the table limits.

For random I'll just run the 8 numbers (for 8 tables) through an on line RNG pgm for a set of table numbers. This keeps the random theme just that. Letting random decide. 

I don't see the need to have a 12 bet line separation?   By using the marquee for past spins for triggers I roughly estimate a bet rate of at least 15 spins/hr could be achieved.

Any insights on the odds & probablities (O & Ps) of wheel vs wheel ? I'm unsure if in theory the
O & Ps are the same for 1 wheel or 2 wheels ?

DTH - just saw your latest post come through just B4 posting this.

Have to duck out for a bit so will be back on in a little while.

[TwoCatSam]

ausguy

My proverbial hat is off to anyone who can win that kind of money. 

Sam

[ausguy]

DTH - All I know is my SL losses are well above the norm when compared to B  & M similar method play here in Sydney OZ, airball excluded.  On line is good mainly due to the convenience factor. Now that I have a decent bankroll I'll travel the 75 min.each way trip to THE STAR & virtual test some code 4 based ideas on multiple tables. If it shows promise then I'll play for real $$$$.

SL can still cheat and have legal compliance. Audits only concern themselves with longer term payout %s. They could still kill a large or large bets as they only represent blip spikes on the play radar. Probably cheating is more relevant to airball as they all have wheel/ball reading technology. Also we never know if the spun result is the actual live one or one from a data bank? As you usually hear a spin happening in the background ahead of the video image? Also sometimes the video image freezes but the spin results eventually will still process on the layout.

This means they have 2 seperate feeds, surely the main indicator for possible manipulation ?

DTH - The 1,300 you withdrew, was that from airball winnings ? How much was your money & how much was SL money?

Another thing that's been mentioned elsewhere re SL is the display of free play bets in with the real money bets ? Obvously this distorts the true position of the table bets. Also, we never know if some of the big wins shown are real or fictitious creations of SL ?

[ausguy]

2CS - As I said in an earlier post I was just lucky to hit a rare positive phase to get that fine win.

Playing the same way a few hours later saw me lose 150 quid in 40 mins. In UK time the win was played over 7 1/2 hours from 7:30 pm to 3 am.  The losing play was between 4am & 5am. The table was noticably less busy then.  It seemed my bets were more targeted then.

[Robeenhuut]

Funny thing i noticed recently on SL is that there are few guys with different nicknames placing exactly the same bets in the same session. They are quite large like at least few hundreds of euros.
You can see the bets of other players if you hit Players bets button. You can see lots of funny bets  I play air ball on 0.1-5000 table there.