Bankroll size and daily targets

[Johnlegend]

One of the biggest mistakes made in roulette is poor money management. Its the age old problem. The player brings a small bankroll to the game say 50 units. And expects to win a small fortune. What will transpire virtually every time. Is he will be wiped out in a short time. Develope an attitude that the game is unbeatable and carry that mindset with him or her for life.

HOW SHOULD IT BE DONE?

The minumum bankroll a player should bring to the game is around 200 units. It allows for downturns and losses that virtually every method will throw up from time to time. It also STAYS IN THE PLAYERS MIND. That they have a reasonable cushion when those downturns occur. So their nerve doesn't go if they are pushed.

SESSION/DAILY PROFIT TARGETS??

The second element  and just as crucial is what YOU expect to WIN each time you play a session of roulette. Many are often battling the inherent greed most have naturaly in them. They want the biggest profit margin possible. And this is often the stumbling block for many. If you have a 200 unit bankroll. A sensible daily target would be 2.5% increase. Or about 5 units.

If you adhere to this over time. Your bankroll will become very strong. And you reach a point where being wiped out. Is virtually impossible. I myself set a target of 3 units gain per session/day. Starting with a 200 unit bankroll. Over the next 100 sessions it grew to 500 units.

At that point you NOW can think about raising your daily profit margin to again approximately 2.5% of your total BR. So for 500 units I would be looking for around 10---15 units gain per session. Or and more sensibly. I would maintain smaller unit targets. BUT, raise the value a unit is worth. that's how I have always played. Ist not how many units you win, but their value that is important. And I think everyone would agree. Winning three units a day. Is a lot easier than 15.

Even casual players are often ahead during their sessions. The problem of course is they have no self control/discipline. And usually leave the game at a loss. I hope this post will be of benefit to players. Especially newbies. Who may not have any idea of how much is sensible to start with.

[ego]

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What size of bankroll would you see to be common or have some kind of releastic win goal.

[Johnlegend]

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What size of bankroll would you see to be common or have some kind of releastic win goal.

200 units minumum to begin with Ego. Then you aim for around 2.5% increase per session. Each time you double your bankroll you can double your daily targets. But never go beyond that 2.5 percent target. Roulette is a game of extreme discipline. I didn't have it for many years. And OF COURSE I lost plenty. Since I have lived by the rules I've outlined. Very few days have ended in negative numbers.

[ego]

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I don't have to agree with you and no need to teach me.
But i like sometimes to read what pepole say about you and what you claim.

I believe you.

I think if some one like you that learn the hard way can find a solution to hovering above the negative expectation with the right discipline - like a iron steel mouse who take hes daily bite.
I speak to others who not are interested being at public forums and who also say you can win for several months - but that sooner or later the negative turnaround comes and take a huge bite into your bank - but that does not mean you lose it all and are done.
Is just a way to describe that being a professional gambler you need funds to coup with does days when everything seems to come against you no matter how much discipline you have.

I also suspect that it takes some serios amount spending in the casino - kind of a life style and is not for every one.
I belive if some one would reach some kind of succes using systems they have to be slight obsessive about the hole thing to succed.

[Master_of_pockets]

""""""""they have a reasonable cushion when those downturns occur. So their nerve doesn't go if they are pushed.""""""""

I agree on this...we can be more relaxed having a big BR. But this can t make us winners.

But self control/discipline can t make you a winner too because even if the winning target is +1 chip per visit there will be visits that we will not be able to reach even +1...so the BR will be gone on those visits...no matter the system we are using....

Your concept is HIT and RUN in this topic and all the experienced members in here know that it isn t working because the sessions are adding up ....and the result will always be -2.7.
So it is proven for years now (with maths graphs) that if a system can t win on the long run(playing consistently ,then it also can t win be playing it in sessions(short run).

The best thing we have to do in here is not to recycle the same PROVEN losing concepts over the months/years , but to try thinking about new approaches ... I know that its very hard because we have explored almost every concept that is possible , but its the only way to see some light.

thanks

[Robeenhuut]

""""""""they have a reasonable cushion when those downturns occur. So their nerve doesn't go if they are pushed.""""""""

I agree on this...we can be more relaxed having a big BR. But this can t make us winners.

But self control/discipline can t make you a winner too because even if the winning target is +1 chip per visit there will be visits that we will not be able to reach even +1...so the BR will be gone on those visits...no matter the system we are using....

Your concept is HIT and RUN in this topic and all the experienced members in here know that it isn t working because the sessions are adding up ....and the result will always be -2.7.
So it is proven for years now (with maths graphs) that if a system can t win on the long run(playing consistently ,then it also can t win be playing it in sessions(short run).

The best thing we have to do in here is not to recycle the same PROVEN losing concepts over the months/years , but to try thinking about new approaches ... I know that its very hard because we have explored almost every concept that is possible , but its the only way to see some light.

thanks

Hola Master

You picked a wrong thread commenting on hit n run  John is very sensitive about this subject.
There is no argument that will convince him that H n R does not work.  Nice try n welcome again here.  Its lots of fun.

Regards

[Master_of_pockets]

I don t have to convince anyone about anything... I am just saying the right things according to the absolute maths....the ones that have brains will get it , the one that don t will reject it.

I am just trying to help.

Thanks

[Robeenhuut]

I don't have to convince anyone about anything... I am just saying the right things according to the absolute maths....the ones that have brains will get it , the one that don't will reject it.

I am just trying to help.

Thanks

Don't bring up any mathematical or statistics based arguments here. U will be dismissed as a math boy. And as 2  discussing BR requirements it depends on what is yr style of play n win goal.
There r no rules set in stone. My daily goal is to increase my BR by 30% n some r okay with 5%...

Regards

[speed]

One of the biggest mistakes made in roulette is poor money management. Its the age old problem. The player brings a small bankroll to the game say 50 units. And expects to win a small fortune. What will transpire virtually every time. Is he will be wiped out in a short time. Develope an attitude that the game is unbeatable and carry that mindset with him or her for life.

HOW SHOULD IT BE DONE?

The minumum bankroll a player should bring to the game is around 200 units. It allows for downturns and losses that virtually every method will throw up from time to time. It also STAYS IN THE PLAYERS MIND. That they have a reasonable cushion when those downturns occur. So their nerve doesn't go if they are pushed.

SESSION/DAILY PROFIT TARGETS??

The second element  and just as crucial is what YOU expect to WIN each time you play a session of roulette. Many are often battling the inherent greed most have naturaly in them. They want the biggest profit margin possible. And this is often the stumbling block for many. If you have a 200 unit bankroll. A sensible daily target would be 2.5% increase. Or about 5 units.

If you adhere to this over time. Your bankroll will become very strong. And you reach a point where being wiped out. Is virtually impossible. I myself set a target of 3 units gain per session/day. Starting with a 200 unit bankroll. Over the next 100 sessions it grew to 500 units.

At that point you NOW can think about raising your daily profit margin to again approximately 2.5% of your total BR. So for 500 units I would be looking for around 10---15 units gain per session. Or and more sensibly. I would maintain smaller unit targets. BUT, raise the value a unit is worth. that's how I have always played. Ist not how many units you win, but their value that is important. And I think everyone would agree. Winning three units a day. Is a lot easier than 15.

Even casual players are often ahead during their sessions. The problem of course is they have no self control/discipline. And usually leave the game at a loss. I hope this post will be of benefit to players. Especially newbies. Who may not have any idea of how much is sensible to start with.

And I have an obligation especially to newbies to say that everything in this post is gambler's fallacy, and I think that the author of this post well known that..

[Johnlegend]

""""""""they have a reasonable cushion when those downturns occur. So their nerve doesn't go if they are pushed.""""""""

I agree on this...we can be more relaxed having a big BR. But this can t make us winners.

But self control/discipline can t make you a winner too because even if the winning target is +1 chip per visit there will be visits that we will not be able to reach even +1...so the BR will be gone on those visits...no matter the system we are using....

Your concept is HIT and RUN in this topic and all the experienced members in here know that it isn t working because the sessions are adding up ....and the result will always be -2.7.
So it is proven for years now (with maths graphs) that if a system can t win on the long run(playing consistently ,then it also can t win be playing it in sessions(short run).

The best thing we have to do in here is not to recycle the same PROVEN losing concepts over the months/years , but to try thinking about new approaches ... I know that its very hard because we have explored almost every concept that is possible , but its the only way to see some light.

thanks

Hello Pockets. I don't fully agree with your statement. But I won't try to convince you. All I can personally go by our the results I have attained over the years. Other members on the forum are having similar success. Such as Chauncy47 and Warrior. So winning in short bursts of play is not unique to me. I can't explain it no one can. One of my methods Pattern Breaker has at present given me 54 consecutive wins for the VERY FIRST. Game of the day.

I know I could never sit there and win even 30 games in a row. So can anyone explain. How I've won 54 first games of the day. NO, but I have. The only thing I can put it down to is random entry into the cycle has favoured me over the last 54 sessions. I've still lost approx once every 11---12 games I've played. But again that single first game of the day has survived for 54 consecutive days. Not all can be explained by math. that's all I say.

[Johnlegend]

And I have an obligation especially to newbies to say that everything in this post is gambler's fallacy, and I think that the author of this post well known that..

Gamblers fallacy??? Expalin yourself.

[Johnlegend]

Don't bring up any mathematical or statistics based arguments here. U will be dismissed as a math boy. And as 2  discussing BR requirements it depends on what is yr style of play n win goal.
There r no rules set in stone. My daily goal is to increase my BR by 30% n some r okay with 5%...

Regards

30% Robeenhuut. Are you serious???

[atlantis]

The only thing I can put it down to is random entry into the cycle has favoured me over the last 54 sessions

Facts are facts. I agree  - How else then could it be explained, Speed?

A.

[Robeenhuut]

30% Robeenhuut. Are you serious???

Absolutely John. Thats my goal n of coz i dont reach it every day.  I just hardly ever play any progression anymore just mostly outside bets or EC's. Being pegged as a math boy i just figured that any progression is pointless n dangerous 2 yr pocket. 

[ego]

I know I could never sit there and win even 30 games in a row. So can anyone explain. How I've won 54 first games of the day. NO, but I have. The only thing I can put it down to is random entry into the cycle has favoured me over the last 54 sessions. I've still lost approx once every 11---12 games I've played. But again that single first game of the day has survived for 54 consecutive days. Not all can be explained by math. that's all I say.

Random fluctuation does not have to come against you it can also following your path for 54 consecutive days as it could been the opposite.