Method must study it propely

[GLC]

There are many of our members who lean toward hit-n-run.  Our dear Iggiv is very knowledgeable and he leans that way.  It does have some merit and is a direct conclusion from the fact that if you test any system presented for millions of spins, it will end a loser.  On the other hand, I have won many times for a short attack.  So, if you can't win playing millions of spins and you can win on short attacks, then hit-n-run must be the way to go.

Those who disagree do so because they state that the wheel doesn't know if you're playing a million consecutive spins or a million spins made up of short bursts with breaks of varying lengths in between.  When you put them all together, you still have a million spins to overcome.

You have to decide which side you think has the most merit.

Good Luck,
GLC

[nowun]

My personal rule is the 90% rule.

If I set a profit goal and get 90% of it really quickly, goodbye and see you next time.

[nottophammer]

just started watching smartlive, first 7 numbers

24-4
18-3
25-5
17-3
11-2
31-6 is this trigger

13-3 win £10 unit  £30.00 up

have i played this the right way

[SamNL]

Yes u have nottophammer

[nottophammer]

looks good think a few discrepancies in first post download, but i've had couple bottles of red wine,so will recheck in morning without  a pounding head, must have some water.
Played earlier on RNG in Paddy Power 125 spins let a few triggers go but still won £15.00 with £1 units.

Should one not play this on RNG.

Goodnight, Hammer,     COYI.

[nottophammer]

The download in reply 1.

Few of the cells show trigger thats missed or should not have been a trigger.

Take cell 474, 5 wins, next trigger 481 and 482, is a win with  2. Then 484 is trigger and 486 wins, just a win missed i think, there are others,but it wins, that is all that matters.

I LIKE IT,  like its tittle, must study it properly

[nottophammer]

here's 60 spins Aspers MK. Can some one show the bets and if it wins?
8-2
34-6
21-4
33-6
10-2
23-4
22-4
34-6
29-5
31-6


12-2
19-4
31-6
8-2
29-5
4-1
16-3
24-4
20-4
17-3

23-4
35-6
33-6
9-2
5-1
8-2
19-4
13-3
18-3
20-4

13-3
11-2
4-1
33-6
25-5
32-6
33-6
24-4
19-4
34-6

15-3
13-3
12-2
31-6
23-4
32-6
25-5
23-4
35-6
17-3

4-1
30-5
16-3
28-5
14-3
23-4
34-6
30-5
11-2
34-6

played it but not to sure wether bet 1,2,4,8 and so on, or the 1+/1-
Made a profit with some other bets, but be nice to see if trigger would be where i thought.
cheers  Hammer,     COYI

[JimmieB]

Hi Hammer

Having caught up on the thread over the past few days, this is how I think this should have been played, could be totally wrong though, also, I’m not sure of the betting amounts/progression. Overall its 14 wins & 10 losses, with a good run at the start...

Also, which I didn’t include, as I’m not 100% sure, are you supposed to switch to betting the opposite after 2 losses in a row, and then stop after another 2 consecutive losses, and wait for a trigger i.e. after the 2 con losses after the initial bets of 2,6, & 4, should I have switched to 1, 5, & 3 after the 2 con losses until 2 con losses until another 2 con losses, if this is the case, I think you would have had another 3 wins...

Reading the above, it doesn't look as though I've helped you much, more questions than answers

8-2
34-6
21-4 trigger, 3 DSs from each of the dozens, now bet 2,6, & 4 until 2 consecutive losses
33-6 w
10-2 w
23-4 w
22-4 w
34-6 w
29-5 l
31-6 w


12-2 w
19-4 w
31-6 w
8-2 w
29-5 l
4-1 l, 2 losses in a row wait for another trigger
16-3 another trigger, 3 DSs from each of the dozens, now bet 5, 1, & 3 until 2 consecutive losses
24-4 l
20-4 l 2 losses in a row wait for another trigger
17-3

23-4
35-6
33-6
9-2
5-1
8-2
19-4
13-3
18-3
20-4

13-3
11-2
4-1
33-6
25-5
32-6
33-6
24-4
19-4
34-6

15-3
13-3
12-2
31-6 another trigger, 3 DSs from each of the dozens, now bet 3, 2, & 6 until 2 consecutive losses
23-4 l
32-6 w
25-5 l
23-4 l 2 losses in a row wait for another trigger
35-6
17-3

4-1
30-5 another trigger, now betting 1, 5, & 3
16-3 w
28-5 w
14-3 w
23-4 l
34-6 l
30-5
11-2
34-6

Regards
Jim

[JimmieB]

Also, as well as another 3 additional wins, you would have had another 3 additional losses - 17W & 14 L.

Jim

8-2
34-6
21-4 trigger, 3 DSs from each of the dozens, now bet 2,6, & 4 until 2 consecutive losses
33-6 w
10-2 w
23-4 w
22-4 w
34-6 w
29-5 l
31-6 w


12-2 w
19-4 w
31-6 w
8-2 w
29-5 l
4-1 l, 2 losses in a row switch to 1, 4, & 3
16-3 w
24-4 l
20-4 l 2 losses in a row wait for another trigger
17-3

23-4
35-6
33-6
9-2
5-1
8-2
19-4
13-3
18-3
20-4

13-3
11-2
4-1
33-6
25-5
32-6
33-6
24-4
19-4
34-6

15-3
13-3
12-2
31-6 another trigger, 3 DSs from each of the dozens, now bet 3, 2, & 6 until 2 consecutive losses
23-4 l
32-6 w
25-5 l
23-4 l 2 losses in a row now switch to 4, 1, & 5
35-6 l
17-3 l 2 losses wait for trigger

4-1
30-5 another trigger, now betting 1, 5, & 3
16-3 w
28-5 w
14-3 w
23-4 l
34-6 l 2 losses switch to 2, 6, & 4
30-5 l
11-2 w
34-6 w

[nottophammer]

Hi Jimmie
think first trigger is 19. what i am not sure of is the betting of this, whether to just bet once only, if lose, add one on next trigger, seems so many ways to stake this.
One member said to bet only twice,as it soon makes up the losses.

[nottophammer]

There are many of our members who lean toward hit-n-run.  Our dear Iggiv is very knowledgeable and he leans that way.  It does have some merit and is a direct conclusion from the fact that if you test any system presented for millions of spins, it will end a loser.  On the other hand, I have won many times for a short attack.  So, if you can't win playing millions of spins and you can win on short attacks, then hit-n-run must be the way to go.

Those who disagree do so because they state that the wheel doesn't know if you're playing a million consecutive spins or a million spins made up of short bursts with breaks of varying lengths in between.  When you put them all together, you still have a million spins to overcome.

You have to decide which side you think has the most merit.

Good Luck,
GLC

I'd say testing for the millions of spins could knock a good system down, agree short play is the way, when one walks in b+m you join the cycle of spins and could just be starting where its going to tank out,but then it might be just the right time and give the wins, and out you go with the win, or loss.

[JimmieB]

Hi Jimmie
think first trigger is 19. what i am not sure of is the betting of this, whether to just bet once only, if lose, add one on next trigger, seems so many ways to stake this.
One member said to bet only twice,as it soon makes up the losses.

Hi Hammer,

After having had another look at previous posts, in particular the attachment in reply 349, your correct, I've misunderstood. Regarding the progression, nothing appears to be set in stone. I would possibly look at flat betting, for example say you have a BR of 15 units per game, after a trigger play to you get a win, after the win wait for another trigger, if you lose all 5 bets your game is over, or if BR reaches zero, game over, however, if you get your BR to +3 units (18 in total), wait for another trigger and on this occasion bet a total of 6 units (2 per DS), if you win you are 9 units ahead, and the game is won, if you lose simply drop down to the 1 unit per DS until you get a win, and so on....

[nottophammer]

Yesterday Aspers westfield London.
blocks of ten, dont know why but like blocks of ten.

18-3
25-5
30-5
34-6
35-6
31-6
6-1
15-3
11-2 t  now does one bet the same trigger to a win,or back the changing d/s to a win, or ?
27-5

16-3 w win if back same as trigger that started,in two spins.
3-1 t  trigger after win, should we wait for 4 unique d/s after win,if dont wait trigger wins straight away
4-1 w win with rolling trigger( that started at 11-2)
17-3
35-6
6-1
30-5 t if stay with trig 5,1,6 takes 4 to win, red w at 26-5
7-2
16-3
16-3w win here with rolling trig from above trigger

26-5w
34-6
15-3
7-2 t stay with same trigger and takes 5 to win,rolling trig wins in 3, red w
25-5
2-1
2-1 w
6-1
18-3 w
24-4

6-1
34-6 t trigger 6,1,4 wins in 1, are we happy with win  and should we continue with trigger 6,1,4?
32-6
3-1
19-4
27-5 t trig 5,4,1  stay with trig takes 2 to win, rolling trig wins same
18-3
26-5 w
17-3
19-4

23-4
19-4
14-3
9-2
23-4
25-5 t trig 5,4,2 wins in 3, rolling trig wins in 2 red w
13-3
16-3w if carry on with rolling trig many wins, but what are the rules.
20-4 w
17-3

17-3
21-4
5-1
20-4
7-2
31-6 t trig 6,2,4 takes 2 to win, rolling trig takes 3 red w
2-1
20-4 w
33-6 w
34-4

32-6
30-5
6-1 t trig 1,5,6 takes 4 to win, rolling trig takes 5 red w 
18-3 t what would happen here
11-2 another trig
24-4 and again any ideas what we should do ?
30-5 w
21-4w     phew lots happening here, think i'll leave it here, anyone work out the outcome, cheers
12-2
15-3

23-4
19-4
23-4
5-1
12-2
1-1
23-4
36-6
22-4
29-5

2-1
5-1
29-5
2-1
8-2
8-2
0-0
6-1
20-4
36-6

23-4
27-5
9-2
12-2
10-2

[nottophammer]

what i mainly played,was playing the numbers off the mat.

18
25
30
34
35
31
6
15
11
27 no repeats here so 27 numbers to cover.

16 w  win 16 had not been hit, 26 left to cover,
3  w  i'll just put w win or l lose
4 w
17 w four on the bounce, now the killer to the br
35 l
6 l
30 l
7 w 
16 l
16 l   five wins out of ten, usually on avg get 7wins, the next ten avg 5 wins, will see.

26 w   thats 16 numbers played off mat
34 l
15 l
7 l
25 l
2  w with progression you'd win
2 l
6 l
18 l
24 w 18 now played off , only three wins in this ten spins  the lady croupier was repeating well, next ten thought would hit at
          least  5 numbers of the 19 to find.
6 l
34 l
32 w
3 l
19 w
27 l
18 l
26 l
17 l
19 l  only two hits. now after the first ten spins, find on avg the next thirty spins gives 15 wins (avg) so here only 10, five
        below avg. (my avg)
23 w
19 l
14 w changed croupier here, so started  a new game, still watching the numbers being played off.
9  w   
23 l
25 l
13 w
16 l
20 w
17 l   25 numbers played off the mat. on avg in 60 spins see 30 numbers gone, so the last 10 coming up.

17 l
21 w
5 w
20 l
7 l
31 l
2  l
20 l
33 w
24 l    well 28 gone pritty close to the 30 on avg.  Remember at spun 14 in the fifth block of ten croupier changed and started 
          another game.

9 
23
25
13
16
20
17
17
21
5    17 repeat so 9 off the mat. 28 to find, and next 30 spins  on avg get 15 numbers.

20 l
7 w
31 w
2  w
20 l
33  w in the other game 33 was 28th spun off mat.
24 w
32 w
30 w
6 w    8 hits avg usually 7. 17 numbers of the 37 gone.

18 w
11 w
24 l
30 w
21 l
12 w  in this game of 60 pins 12 is the 21st number gone. whilst tracking in other game number 12 is the 29th number to go -
15 w        taking 10 spins, and would be easy win with progression.         
23 l
19 w
23 l      another 6 hits making 23 numbers played off.

5  l
12  l 
1  w  1 is 24 number spun off mat, in other game 1 is 30th to go and took just 7 spins to find would be a nice win.
23 l
36 w  36 is 25 spun off this game and in game above is 31st spun off taking just 2 spins, would be another good win.
22 w  22 is 26th  and game above is 32nd spun off mat
29 w  29 is 27th and above game is  33rd spun off mat, only 4 to find
2  l
5  l
29  l  4 hits making 27 played off mat, only ten to find. Of  the last 30 spins 18 numbers hit plus 3 this game against the
          minus 5 in first game.
2  l
8 w  is 28th spun off mat this game, in first game still tracking 8 is the 34th gone taking just 5 spins.
8 l
0 w zero is 29th gone in 44 spins, in first game zero is the 35th spun off taking 2 spins
6 l
20  l
36   l
23  l
27  w  30th gone  taking just 49 spins, in first game already gone.
9  l

12  l
10  w  31st  number spun of mat, in first game 10 is 36th number gone taking 8 spins. Left casino now, but in first game 36 of 
           the 37 numbers spun of in 95 spins, on smart live,numerous games taped and put in computer  usually  see all
           37 numbers  gone within 120 spins. 

Any of you experianced  bots be able to look over this for a few thousand spins and get  avg that each  each number takes to leave the mat, cheers           

[contact]

I may have a longer term progression that you can end up with more loses then wins
and still come out ahead. Maybe this will be help full with this method. Also after reading through
the posts I still am not really understanding how this method works. I noticed there was a video
posted before but it is not there now. If anyone would be kind enough to show me real quick or
make a video so I can see that would be great..