Method must study it propely

[vile]

hahahha atlantis what are u asking ? what are u asking?
Listen to your self.

-MODERATOR

Why warning me yesterday...can't you see what this //you know how would I call him/
doing.Vipy,Jordan,Master of pockets,roulette explorer.....ALL ONE PERSON,
And you wonder why serious ppl are going away from here.Would you have him home.

[atlantis]

hahahha atlantis what are u asking ? what are u asking?
Listen to your self.

Master_of_pockets,
I am simply trying to elicit the proper playing details for purposes of clarity so that we get some consensus and uniformity on the correct mechanics and operation of this... If there are set rules to follow I want to know what they are. Similarly, if there is flexibility in certain areas I want to know about that too. I just want to get it absolutely clear in my mind and cover all possibilities so that if I play for real money I will not be searching for an answer or guessing what should or should not be done. I want to know that I played it to the 'T'. Win or Lose. It just seems there's maybe still a few points left to be addressed, that's all. That's why I called earlier for a full exposition of the rules to be posted. It is for everyone's benefit.
You're back with the negative vibes again; sneering and snickering are really not constructive or helpful and I do not know why you keep on with it. 

A.

[ego]

I also look into this option moons ago and it is based upon the following.
You note witch lines that has hit - are present - the you pick some of them to play.
Then you know that one is at sleep and will not show or will sleep more often then its show.
That way if you pick 3 out of 5 you have 2 lines against you or 18 numbers against 12 numbers.

I don't find it being uniq even if the main probability idea is pretty clever.
You can pick thousands of lines 123456 from random org and you will see for your self - i did in the past.

Cheers

[vile]

Master_of_pockets,
I am simply trying to elicit the proper playing details for purposes of clarity so that we get some consensus and uniformity on the correct mechanics and operation of this... If there are set rules to follow I want to know what they are. Similarly, if there is flexibility in certain areas I want to know about that too. I just want to get it absolutely clear in my mind and cover all possibilities so that if I play for real money I will not be searching for an answer or guessing what should be done. I want to know that I played it to the 'T'. Win or Lose. It just seems there's maybe still a few points left to be addressed, that's all. That's why I called earlier for a full exposition of the rules to be posted. It is for everyone's benefit.
You're back with the negative vibes again; sneering and snickering are really not constructive or helpful and I do not know why you keep on with it. 

A.

But I do know and few others here.Mental ppl.you can't stop but can either lock'm up
or,in this case,throwe'm out.That's his every day food.The man is sick,and moderator sees this
and doing nothing about it.How can you ignore him when he knocks on your door insulting
and abusing.I can even give you his description;little man about 5 ft.in his wheelchair/o yes he
told me that/and that he loves doing this.WHAT NEXT.

[cofi]

Went through some of my old recorded spins. It tanked quickly and couldn't recover. I really don't know why this sistem should work anyway... No logical nor mathematical explanation, and the answer "because it works" I can't accept.

[beretta28]

The most interesting comments in this Forum are from math people!
I don't mean:-roulette can be beaten,is a negative expectancy game,38(or 37) is higher than 36,you are losing your time and so on.
I think that math people can give us the best strategy to follow according with our goal.
Mr.Ore gave us some good examples in the past:
-starting from a bkr of X,what the best bet for earning Y(5%,10%,20%....100%)
the goal is to find attacks that are as close as possible to 50% probability.
A nice example was starting from 5 units,with a goal of 1 unit,what's the best?
Most of players would say: I play 5 lines(on European roulette with en prison rule 18,91% of losing)
NO:the best is 1 unit on even chance, if L 1 unit on a dozen,if L 3 units on EC(17,35% of losing)
What a difference!!!
I've been playing roulette for 40 years(yes,I'm old!).
I lost a lot of money playing like the system of this thread.
Since 10 years,I HAVE CHANGED completely my approach and now (100 visits per year in Montecarlo Casino) I stopped losing and I win low amounts of money per year,but I win.
Not enough for making my living
For that the sole solution is to work,not to gamble!!!!


Don't mislead young players with systems like that.
It's more honest to suggest "The communist nethod":playing red all the time!

[cofi]

Nice post beretta

So You play 1 u on EC, 1 u on D (or C) and 3 u on EC, total 5 u risk per game, that's Your way of placing bets, or just an example?

Regards

[beretta28]

It's an example,that I play every now and then for "pocket money"
There are  several and more complicated bets,based on the same principle.
Trust me(but I know that is difficult to trust me):there are no better ways for fighting against roulette.
With all the other systems is a matter of pure luck.
Even with my approach  a little  bit of luck is necessary,but much less than all other methods.
My way of playing,after a lot of studies and tests is:
10 units bkr,+ 1 is the goal(90,04% chance of success!)
If you have 10 units and you play FLAT BET with a goal of + 1 on EC,your chance of success is 88,75%
See the big difference........
Of course I'm not a gambler ,I'm a speculator.
Very often I play 3 spins and STOP at + 1,or others days I play one hour or 2 for achieving my goal or losing 10 units.
But yearly balance is +!
What do I do if I am at +1 after 10 minutes I entered a Casino?
In a very cinic way I look to other gamblers losing money with silly methods or I play Black Jack at the minimum of the table for a while
Of course my BKR(10 units,goal +1) is very high and FIRST RULE:you must live close to a casino(no expenses for oil,travel,restaurant,parking,etc)
Of course no comps,even with 100 visit a year....

[Master_of_pockets]

Read what Byes , Ego and Me posted and you can see that this system has no merit.

Atlantis you don't need to know the exact rules...because even with them it can t win. They have been tested to death.

When you see a system try to think the WHY it can be a winner....and with those pattern systems you can immediately know that there is no reason

[Johnlegend]

MOP you need to STOP If it cant win how has Vile made a bundle with it since last October, How did its Author live off of it? How did I make good profit with a similar method? You dont have the anwsers and worse still you have nothing better to offer,

[atlantis]

Master_of_pockets,
It's won for me 25 times in a row and I always finished in + (playing hit-n-run)
I kept sessions short and as vile says, took the profit and wrapped it up 
It's a nice system - easy to play. Yes there must be a reason why I'm winning.
A.

[cofi]

It's an example,that I play every now and then for "pocket money"
There are  several and more complicated bets,based on the same principle.
Trust me(but I know that is difficult to trust me):there are no better ways for fighting against roulette.
With all the other systems is a matter of pure luck.
Even with my approach  a little  bit of luck is necessary,but much less than all other methods.
My way of playing,after a lot of studies and tests is:
10 units bkr,+ 1 is the goal(90,04% chance of success!)
If you have 10 units and you play FLAT BET with a goal of + 1 on EC,your chance of success is 88,75%
See the big difference........
Of course I'm not a gambler ,I'm a speculator.
Very often I play 3 spins and STOP at + 1,or others days I play one hour or 2 for achieving my goal or losing 10 units.
But yearly balance is +!
What do I do if I am at +1 after 10 minutes I entered a Casino?
In a very cinic way I look to other gamblers losing money with silly methods or I play Black Jack at the minimum of the table for a while
Of course my BKR(10 units,goal +1) is very high and FIRST RULE:you must live close to a casino(no expenses for oil,travel,restaurant,parking,etc)
Of course no comps,even with 100 visit a year....

Yes +1 daily makes sense with very, very large BR.

But if You lose 5 u Beretta in a risk to win one, You have to win next 5 times in a row to brake even. :/

[beretta28]

Cofi is OK what you say
Even with my method (10 BKR ,goal + 1) you need ten sessions for break even,if L
But the are some tricks that improve this situation
Think of it,is not complicated






MOP is definetely right!
But the gamblers,mainly the compulsive gamblers ,live in a special world and they dream all the time.
As I thought,no on trust me(see my posts above).
Once again:when you will have played 20000 spins flat bet and you will be in +,you can say that the system works....Not before
Before  is an  "optical illusion".....
I'm wondering if people here that consider this system a winning one know the standard deviaton,Markow chains,favourable unbalance.....
No it's impossible that in 2012 gamblers don't know that.
Please read Google on law on the third,Markow chain,standard deviation and if people are mentally honest and understand what they are reading,I'm sure that they change their mind!!!

[6th-sense]

a plausable reason why it wins is becouse of the cycle of winning and losing ciuld be its a  better than a normal ec bet in that it could stay neck and neck or lose a bit first then your on the cycle for overtaking losses and end up in plus..then climb off ready for the next session...no maths just a better selection working for you 

[beretta28]

Don' t dream....
The bet selection doesn't exist!


Playing Zero and neighbours I won 1500 â,¬ in 1997(80 visits/year in a Casino),but I knew that was a matter of chance.
The following year I lost,in 1999 I lost again and at 20000 spins my balance was  ONLY minus 2,70% of all bets put on the table.
Just the Vig
I consider that I was lucky