T.G "Possible H/G system" with a little tweak

[Master_of_pockets]

From all those years in roulette exploring , the best system of all that I have seen its T.G possible H/G.
It has everything in!
Maths,probability,MM. And also TG always make systems with reasons of why to win and not voodoo.

It is supposed that probability can t be taken as advantage in roulette ,but if we leave it out then nothing else remains.

Anyway my tweak is that when 1 line(I would be play it only on Line bets for 5 spins cycle and not straight nums bet because it needs less BR and less spins to record and less spins to overcome a bad fluctuation.) has finished it s 5 betting cycle without a win, then the next line that would be in the bet would be the line that will have the less hits but also the furthest back appearance.....
TG suggests that if 2 or more numbers(or lines in my case) has the same amount of hits , then pick 1 randomly to put in the bet....my tweak is to chose the one of the 2 or 3 that has the same amount of less hits BUT also the furthest back hit.
  It is supposed that all bet selections are same....but IF I would play this system I would play it only with my tweak.

This is the link of the original system of TG.

link:://:.freewebs.com/turbogenius/possibleholygrail.htm

Take a good look at the 2 bet selections he did.......
In the 1st graph that he played it with random bet selection it wasn t good...but when he used the less hit numbers(sleepers) as a betting selection , the graph went High!

So is probability a weapon in winning roulette?......it s ur choice what to believe .....

If a programer could code this system and give it a go in a lot lot of spins it will be very good so see the results.

[amk]

Great thread MOP, haven't seen it before. Do you know what happened to Turbogenius?

[jarabo002]

Hello

Could you give us an example, please?

[Master_of_pockets]

Thanks amk.
Unfortunately I was trying to find where he is by sending him an email but he never replyed.
I hope he is well in his health and that he still fights to find a way to beat the game....it will be a big lose for the roulette exploring world if he abandoned everything.

I read his latest concept and I didn t liked it at all.....it was a nice concept but with a wrong way to apply it.

Jarabo everything u need is in the link I gave....its a very simple system.

[Master_of_pockets]

The only "hole' of this system is that there will be some rare times (when we will face a really odd fluctuation) that even when all the lines will have hit , we can be in a negative balance(no new profit). From my personal testing almost 1 in 100 times that all the lines have won will not bring a new profit.

For this case I suggest the following(my 2nd tweak):
Look at the deference between the previous higher balance and bet accordingly....
e.g.. If all lines have won(hit) but we end up with -30 chips from the last higher balance , then do NOT start by betting the less hit line (and also furthest back hit) with just 1 chip....start the betting it will lets say 5 chips and continue from there....with this way the positive balance will come and it will not be a grind....

Now If 2 very odd and bad fluctuations will happen in a row....then don't play roulette anymore because this is sooooooo rare to happen that something else is behind it....like devil dosn t want you to win. LoL

[TwoCatSam]

Mr. Pockets

This is a very interesting concept and I thank you for bringing it to our attention.  No Voodoo, huh?  Well, OK!  If you insist!

This very well could be a winner in the long term.

I agree with whomever said it would be slow.  A robot would be perfect for this!!!

I have some ideas that need to mature and I don't want to pollute the thread.

I'm listening.......

Sam

[jarabo002]

Ok, this is a very interesting and promising idea.

Dont you think that in this case its better a cycle of 6 bets instead 5?

Thanks

[Master_of_pockets]

thanks TCS.
When I say no voodoo I mean that we can justify the WHY we are betting "there" and WHY with so many chips etc(even if all are based on GF like sleepers)....and not like betting there because as u said the weather changed 

I would like to hear those thoughts of urs .... I respect you as You are a perfect understander of roulette and I guess that your comments will be correct.

So   I am listening

No Jarabo ....because the 6 bet cycle if u win on the 6th there will be NO profit....u will just be even
And even if i would play it on straight nums as TG I would be for 37 bet cycle but for 35.

[jarabo002]

Its true!

Thanks for posting this wonderfull idea!

[TwoCatSam]

So you are saying this:

Bet a line for five spins at one unit.  After five losses, add the furtherest back line and go up one unit.  Repeat if you have not won in the next five spins.

And what do you do when you win?

Sam

[Master_of_pockets]

Is it the 1st time that you read about this method? I don't think so.Its an old system and I guess you must have read about it before...

"""After five losses, add the furtherest back line and go up one unit"""

NO....after 5 losses you are adding the line with the less hits.....BUT if 2 pr 3 lines have the same amount of hits(appearances) then u will chose the one with the furtherest back hit......so u need to record both... the amount of times that the lines have been hit and the when they were hit! Its very easy and you can do it in no time even in the casino.....

when you will win some lines and u see that You are in a new profit...then You are starting again from the beginning by betting the line with the less appearances(hits).(sorry forgot to mention this RESTART tweak of mine.....TG suggests to play continuously no matter if you are in a new profit or not until all lines bets(or nums) have won....but there will be a lot of times that even if u still have some unhit lines u will be UP from a win on a line....so U MUST restart in order to make everything safer)

[TwoCatSam]

This is the first time I have read of this method.

I can see this calls for a tracker!!

Yes, I'm lazy, folks!

I'm thinking of the worksheet for "The Bone" as Bombus tracked lines.

This would be a fun way to play. 

Thanks, Hip Pocket......

TwoCat

[Master_of_pockets]

it s strange that u hadn t read it before...
keep in mind my 2-3 modifications couse they make the system a lot safer especially the last one with the resets after a new profit.

Let s hope a programmer will make it into a bot.

[TwoCatSam]

I don't want to start a fire here, but I never had much faith in TurboGenius so I did not read much of his stuff.  I still have one of his systems on a hard copy.  Had it worked like he said it did, I would be elated.  In fact, he had so many winning systems I couldn't keep up.

Maybe that's why he's gone.  He's living the high life!  Truly, I hope so.  VLS said he had not one, but two "Holy Grails".

His graphs always bothered me.  They always seemed too good to be true.  Maybe not...

So, Master, I've got your idea down pat. 

I can see where a person would not get into too much financial trouble with this system.  I'm sure someone will code this for Rx and we'll know how it shakes out.

A thought:  Isn't part of the fun of this game not knowing the outcome?  I mean, we sorta like to gamble don't we?  If we absolutely knew of a winning method, would we even play it?  Or would we "tweak" it?

I'm pretty sure I've got three winning systems under my belt and I'm still looking!!  I think my hobby is arguing!! 

Somebody start a fight!

Sam

[VLS]

Sam, problem with most of those "holy grails" that beat "gazillion" past spins is they can have draw-downs lasting thousands upon thousands of spins.


On the very comprised chart as seen on the computer, several thousand spins is seen just a "dip".


But in real life, trying to keep your spirit up betting 4,000 5,000 7,000+ continuous spins in the hole... is quite another story.


There are indeed good UNPLAYABLE methods. Feel free to ask Ken/Mr.J about this topic. As a B&M casino player he knows and has good insight on this.