The PB Challenge

[TwoCatSam]

amk

From your last post:


H/L              O/E
HHH           OOE
LLL             EOE
LLL             EOE
HLH            EEE
HHH           EEE
LHL            OOO
HHL           EOE
HHL           EEO
LLH           
HLL

First question:  Why would there be more h/l than o/e?  10 vs 8?

Correct me if I'm wrong, but there are 8 ways high and low can appear.  You are waiting for 7 of 8 to appear and then the 8th is a virtual?

Before I accept any Euros, I want to be sure I have this right.  If I were playing with someone's money I would certainly made a video. 

I'd gladly pay 20%!! 

Sam

[TwoCatSam]

amk

From your last post:


H/L              O/E
HHH           OOE
LLL             EOE
LLL             EOE
HLH            EEE
HHH           EEE
LHL            OOO
HHL           EOE
HHL           EEO
LLH           
HLL

First question:  Why would there be more h/l than o/e?  10 vs 8?

Correct me if I'm wrong, but there are 8 ways high and low can appear.  You are waiting for 7 of 8 to appear and then the 8th is a virtual?

Before I accept any Euros, I want to be sure I have this right.  If I were playing with someone's money I would certainly made a video. 

I'd gladly pay 20%!! 

Sam

I must be certain.  The following are the only ways h/l can come in three spins.

HHH
HHL
HLH
HLL

LLL
LLH
LHL
LHH

Please certify that I am correct.  Before I test something, I want to know I'm testing it right, so I'll write the rules and ask you to OK them.

This rascal will be scientific.  I love it.

Sam

[Johnlegend]

I must be certain.  The following are the only ways h/l can come in three spins.

HHH
HHL
HLH
HLL

LLL
LLH
LHL
LHH

Please certify that I am correct.  Before I test something, I want to know I'm testing it right, so I'll write the rules and ask you to OK them.

This rascal will be scientific.  I love it.

Sam

Correct Sam. I have one note of advice though. If the 8th pattern is three of the same I.E LLL or HHH or EEE or OOO. Bet for the pattern Not against. Nearly half my losing games are made up of three of the same.

[TwoCatSam]

  Correct Sam. I have one note of advice though. If the 8th pattern is three of the same I.E LLL or HHH or EEE or OOO. Bet for the pattern Not against. Nearly half my losing games are made up of three of the same.



Immediately we begin with the obfuscation. I will follow the rules already posted by amk.  This is his/my challenge; not yours.You may develop a winning system.  You may have a dozen ticked away.  You will never be a decent human being.Check your words saying I tried to bribe you.

Please butt out......

Sam

[TwoCatSam]

Copied from the other thread:

I will send you the 70 euro TwoCat for 20% of your winnings.

No tweaks, just play PB after one virtual loss. Only thing is that this will take a longtime but you are tracking H/L O/E at the sametime. Once there is a loss in either the H/L or O/E then you start playing and finish that game.

For example:

You keep track of H/L O/E at the sametime

H/L              O/E
HHH           OOE
LLL             EOE
LLL             EOE
HLH            EEE
HHH           EEE
LHL            OOO
HHL           EOE
HHL           EEO
LLH           
HLL
......  missing pattern is LHH and hits directly = one virtual loss.

At the same time your are tracking O/E which is at a different sequence length. Once you see the lose now you will play your real game on O/E and bet that the missing pattern will not appear when it is time to bet.

Now, is it possible to lose on your first game, yes, can the zero be trouble, yes. You will have to very unlucky to lose before reaching 50 games. After which a streak of 50 or more is possible again.


Rule number 1 as I understand it:  You track h/l and o/e until (is it one or the other?) h/l has had seven of the possible eight combinations appear.  You then wait until it appears and that is your virtual loss.  You are then ready to bet on the o/e.  What if o/e has satisfies the 7 of 8 rule first?

Sam

EDIT:  I understand it to be a virtual loss in either h/l OR o/e.  Is that correct?

[amk]

TwoCat I will try and respond indepth tomorrow.

On the forum and in text communication it is easy to get off on the wrong foot quickly. When speaking to somebody you can respond quickly, read body language, pick up the vibe/energy etc. We are all trying to help each other on the forum (except for the casino lurkers but they have to do their job to) People post their findings and insights not to lead people astray but to help and we decide what to do with it. Only once have I witnessed someone purposefully misleading others.

Concerning BV, I would recommend to play on live wheel Dublin.net only.

Alright TwoCat hope our business venture will succeed.

[Drazen]

Dear Mr. Two Cat Sam i realy wish you all the best luck and i hope positive outcome in the end of that battle.


You will have supporter in me no matter how hard and "strange" your tactic is...I will cheer for you!!!


I know you want to prove yourself point and that way you accepted this and that you only want to play by original rules, but i would like to give you humblest advice if you will even want to take it in consideration.


If you will take it, you can only be "safer" and you could last longer if things go wrong. After all live money is in question here.


Martingale as a progression is wrong, and too dangerous. You don't have to win on every step of the progression to end in plus longterm... There are many progressions out there,as I know you know all of them, even laby is better than marty, or foolporof with witch you need to have little under 50% to win.


DD is much lower if things go wrong, and you can reduce in any point to last longer. With marty is one way street with no possibility of coming back.


And more thing if you will allow. Play on live dealer roulette table.

Gambling RNG-s are for suckers no matter how many certifactes of fairness they have. RNG is not roulette!

All the best and let fortuna be with you!


Drazen

[TwoCatSam]

Drazen

Thank you for those words.

Before I ever bet a Euro, I will know the rules amk wants me to play by.  They will be in writing.  I am only the robot here, betting as I am told to bet.  There are no subjective decisions to be made.  It is etched in stone.

I will play at Dublin, a casino with a sterling reputation.  Live wheel.

Sam

[amk]

Hello TwoCat,

Perhaps just read the beginning explanation of the Pattern Breaker thread. Then it will be clear.

All we are doing is keeping track of H/L and O/E. When we see a virtual loss occur in one we start playing our actual game on the other. It should always take a couple of spins before you can place your bet due to 2 or 3 unique patterns still having to form first.

Only thing is this method will take some time as virtual losses occur on average once every 11 games I believe. But it is worth the wait if we can get into a +-50 game win streak on average. 

[TwoCatSam]

amk

I hate to be the forum arse, here but when you read the rules at the beginning of a thread and then again at the end--they are usually noting alike.

But, when my right eye starts working I will go and read the first of the post.  Then, if you won't post the firm rules, I will and ask you to verify them.

I will not test something and then have someone come back and say I tested it all wrong.

Hope this doesn't seem harsh.  Remember if you can, I'm on yours ad Jl's side.

Sam

[amk]

Here are the PB rules. What we are doing is keeping track of both H/L and O/E at the same time. When one has a virtual loss we switch to the other one and play a real game on it, we are finishing it off and waiting for the 8th and missing pattern to be identified so we can bet against it forming.

Let me know if you have more questions.


**PATTERN BREAKER**

How it came to be. People have been trying to design systems to overcome house edge, beat a game with no memory and defy mathematicians since this game came to be.

WHILE 1000S of systems need random to deliver something within a certain number of spins to succeed. PATTERN BREAKER asks RANDOM to do something its not very good at people. DELIVER THE LAST PATTERN OF A THREE SPIN HI LO COMBINATION IMMEDIATELY AFTER ITS DELIVERED THE SECOND TO LAST.

THE RULES...

1, You write the 8 possible combinations of a 3 spin Hi lo pattern down like this
HHH
LLL
HLH
LHL
HHL
LLH
HLL
LHH

2, You now proceed to record spins for hi lo in rows of three. Every three spins will produce one of those 8 possible patterns, a repeat of one or a pattern with a zero. An average game takes 50-60 spins to complete. To speed turnover you can backtrack twenty spins for a max of THREE TIMES A SESSION.

3, You cross off  each of the 8 possible patterns as they are produced and write a number next to them. EVENTUALLY, there will be ONE PATTERN LEFT.

4, You IMMEDIATELY bet against that pattern using a three step progression 2,4,8=14pts risk.

5,If a zero hits while recording patterns, example

H0L You record it under your 8 non zero patterns. If a zero hits during betting you accept it as a losing spin and complete the progression. OPTIONAL, once you have won some profit say 50 units. To strengthen the method you can cover the ZERO. Using this progression, 3,1--7,1--15,1

6, The method requires 7 wins to match a losing progression. ITS POWER, is the ability to create winning streaks that average 40 in a row. I have 3 100plus streaks in my records. I've never lost twice in a row.

7, TO BE PLAYED LIVE OR AIRBALL not RNG. I will give money management examples if the interest is there. It ought to be, I turned 14 units into 680 in a month. If you hit a power streak you can go nuclear in profits. Then BANK and start again. So there it is PATTERN BREAKER...

[mattymattz]

Thanks for the clear instructions AMK.

MM

[TwoCatSam]

Here are the PB rules. What we are doing is keeping track of both H/L and O/E at the same time. When one has a virtual loss we switch to the other one and play a real game on it, we are finishing it off and waiting for the 8th and missing pattern to be identified so we can bet against it forming.

Let me know if you have more questions.


**PATTERN BREAKER**

How it came to be. People have been trying to design systems to overcome house edge, beat a game with no memory and defy mathematicians since this game came to be.

WHILE 1000S of systems need random to deliver something within a certain number of spins to succeed. PATTERN BREAKER asks RANDOM to do something its not very good at people. DELIVER THE LAST PATTERN OF A THREE SPIN HI LO COMBINATION IMMEDIATELY AFTER ITS DELIVERED THE SECOND TO LAST.

THE RULES...

1, You write the 8 possible combinations of a 3 spin Hi lo pattern down like this
HHH
LLL
HLH
LHL
HHL
LLH
HLL
LHH

2, You now proceed to record spins for hi lo in rows of three. Every three spins will produce one of those 8 possible patterns, a repeat of one or a pattern with a zero. An average game takes 50-60 spins to complete. To speed turnover you can backtrack twenty spins for a max of THREE TIMES A SESSION.

3, You cross off  each of the 8 possible patterns as they are produced and write a number next to them. EVENTUALLY, there will be ONE PATTERN LEFT.

4, You IMMEDIATELY bet against that pattern using a three step progression 2,4,8=14pts risk.

5,If a zero hits while recording patterns, example

H0L You record it under your 8 non zero patterns. If a zero hits during betting you accept it as a losing spin and complete the progression. OPTIONAL, once you have won some profit say 50 units. To strengthen the method you can cover the ZERO. Using this progression, 3,1--7,1--15,1

6, The method requires 7 wins to match a losing progression. ITS POWER, is the ability to create winning streaks that average 40 in a row. I have 3 100plus streaks in my records. I've never lost twice in a row.

7, TO BE PLAYED LIVE OR AIRBALL not RNG. I will give money management examples if the interest is there. It ought to be, I turned 14 units into 680 in a month. If you hit a power streak you can go nuclear in profits. Then BANK and start again. So there it is PATTERN BREAKER...

amk

In the above example you do not mention o/e as you did previously.  Is this because when o/e was mentioned, you were playing two separate games?  Could I play three, using r/b.  There is no difference.

Summary Statement:  When seven of the eight possible combinations of H/L have hit, the eighth will hit once in forty games.  You will win 2 units 39 games, 78u, and lose 14u.

Please tell me if my summary statement is correct.

You are an easy person to work with.  We could clink a glass!!

Sam

[TwoCatSam]

Matty

Would you view my "summary statement" and see if you agree with it.

Sam

[mattymattz]

Sam,

where do you get 1 outta 40 will lose?  I need to brush up on my math.

MM