Promising 2 dozen bet tweak A

[GLC]

This is a tweak to Buffalowizard's last system combined with another system from one of the other forums of a couple of years ago.

Create a table like in Divide and Conquer and put  1      2       3    at the top.
Each column has it's own bank and is played with it's own cancellation bet progression.
Look back to the last time the most recent dozen spun and bet 1 time against the dozen that followed it to follow it a 2nd time.

Now look back at the last time the dozen that just spun hit and bet against the dozen that hit right after it the last time it spun from hitting this time.  1 bet only.  Repeat.........................
If you get the same dozen 2 times in a row, no bet until a new dozen spins.  This keeps us from losing on a  streak of the same dozen hitting.

Example:
1  doz spins
2 doz spins
1 doz spins
3 doz spins
2  look back to the last time the 2 dozen spun and bet against the next dozen which in this case is the 1 dozen so we bet on the 2 & 3 dozens.
1  dozen hits and we lose.  Now look at the lost time the 1 dozen hit and bet against the 3 doz.
1  We win because the 3 didn't hit.  Now we have 2 of the same dozen in a row so we wait until the 2 or 3 dozen hits.
1  Still no bet
1  Oh this tracking stuff drives me crazy.  I want to bet some money.
2  Finally.  Betting against the 1 doz hitting.
1  Lost because the 1 doz hit after the 2 dozn the last time and it hit this time also.  Now we're betting against the 2 doz
3  Win.  Now bet against the 2 dozen
3  Win.  Now no bet because 2 of the same dozen in a row
2  Bet against the 1 dozen
3  Win.  Bet against the 2 dozen
2  Lose.  Bet against the 3 dozen
3  Lose.  Bet against the 2 dozen.  This is the other sequence that kills us.  2 dozens alternating.  I suggest after 2 losses you stop betting until the alternation ends.  So no bet
2  Still alternating
1  Now bet against the 3 dozen
2  Win now bet against the 1 dozen
Etc.....

If zero hits ignore it other than you have a loss.  When looking back to find the dozen that hit after the current dozen just use the dozen after the zero to bet against.

The cancellation lines:  Start with no line but on your first loss, write the 1 1 down and your next bet when that column comes up again will be the sum of the 2 ends, in this case 2-2.

Remember, keep a separate cancellation line for each column.

This is fun to play and not too hectic.

I've played to +100 units so far and never lost more than 3 times in a row on a column.  Lots of win steaks to clean up drawdowns.

Thanks again Buffalowizard,

George

[Tomla021]

cant really visualize this?

[TwoCatSam]

GLC

Remember, keep a separate cancellation line for each column.

What kind of cancellation line would you use?  An example please......

Sam

[GLC]

GLC

Remember, keep a separate cancellation line for each column.

What kind of cancellation line would you use?  An example please......

Sam

We start by betting 1-1 on the 2 dozens.  As long as we win we keep the won unit(s).  On our 1st loss we begin our bet line with:
1 1
Per cancellation procedures we add the leftmost and rightmost numbers together and that's our bet on each of the next 2 dozens.  So our next bet is 2-2.  Let's say we lost that bet, our new line is:
1 1 2 2
Note that we write down the number of bets we lost.  In the case of dozens, that's 2 numbers after each loss because we're betting 2 spots.

Adding the two end numbers we get 3-3 so we bet 3 on each of the 2 dozens.  Let's say we win this bet.  We cross off the two numbers we added together to make our 3 so our line now looks like this:

1 1 2 2

Our next bet is 3-3 since all we have to add together is 1 and 2.  If we lose our next 3-3 bet our line will look like this:

1 1 2 2 3 3

Our leftmost number is 1 and our rightmost number is 3 so we bet 4-4 next.  Let's say we win.  Our line is:

1 1 2 2 3 3

Our next bet will be 5-5 and if we win we will have recovered all our lost units so our line looks like this:

1 1 2 2 3 3

Betting this way, we only win units when we win while betting at 1-1 which is often enough.

We could write down like five 1's if we were shooting for a 5 unit win.  That would take us longer to clear the line but when we finally did get it cleared we would have won 5 units.

Or we can start each line with a 1 and then after our 1st loss at 1-1 our line would look like this: 
1 1 1

I hope that explains it okay.  If not just ask.

GLC

[GLC]

I'm sorry.  I just realized that I didn't explain why I write down the 1   2    3 at the top of the page.  It was because I kept track of Wins and Losses.  I would go back later and calculate winnings.

When you're playing the system, you don't need to keep track of the columns.  You just keep track of each dozen by 1  2  or  3 in sequence as they come out so you can look back up the line to see what dozen came out after each while you're playing.

You do have to have 3 different bet progressions.  1 for each dozen.  then if  like the 2 dozen spins, you look for the last 2 dozen that showed and bet against the dozen that came after it and you have to look at your cancellation line for that dozen to determine how much to bet.

After a while your 3 cancellation lines may look like this if you're having a really bad streak of luck:
Doz 1) 2 31 1 2  3 5 5 8 8 11 11 11 11
Doz 2)  1 1 2 2 3 3 5 5 5 5 8 8
Doz 3)  1 1 2 2 3 3
             1 1 2 2

Sometimes I suck pretty bad at explaining thses systems.

[GLC]

Here's a sequence of spins I just played on Betvoyager single zero demo mode:
Dozens
2
1
2  Here's my first bet.  Betting against the 1 spinning next.
2  Win  +1.  No bet because I have a repeat.
1  I look back as see that a 2 spun afte 1 last time, so 1-1 on 1 & 3
1  Win  +1.  No bet, repeat of 1 doz
1  No bet, repeat of 1 doz
1  No bet, repeat of 1 doz
0  No bet, zero
3  No bet because 1st time 3 dozen has spun
2  Bet against 1 doz
3  Win  +1
1  Bet against the 2 doz
2  Lose.  Doz 2 bet line is 1 1.  Bet against 3 doz
3  Lose.  Doz 3 bet line is 1 1.  Bet against 1 doz
3  Win.  +1  No bet, repeating
2  Bet agaist 3 dozen.  Betting 2-2
1  Win.  Wipes our the 2 lost units in 3 doz line.  Bet against 2 doz
3  Win.  Etc... I'm not going to go all the way.
2
2
3
3
1
3
2
3
2
3
2
3
1
1
1
2
1
1
2
3
2
Play from where I stopped and you should end up with +11 units.
Largest bet was 2-2 which we had to bet 5 times.  That means we only lost 5 bets.  We won 16 bets.  We won 11 times on the 1st bet and 5 times on the 2nd bet.
This would have won with any bet progression you like, even a flat bet.

If you don't get +11, I'll finish the example tomorrow.  I'm not a pensioner, so I don't have all the time in the world like Vile.
Remember if you have 3 2 3 2 3 2 3, alternating dozens, stop betting after 2 losses and wait for the alternation to stop.  There are 3 No Bets because of alternations.  See if you can catch it.  I count 10 no bets because of repeat dozens.

Good Luck,
George

[GLC]

Another bet option is an extended forced win progression.
1-1;1-1;1-1;2-2;2-2;2-2;3-3;3-3;3-3;5-5;5-5;5-5;7-7;7-7;7-7;10-10;10-10;10-10; etc...

Start betting at 1-1 and increase 1 step to the right until you are at a new high bank.

This is a little less aggressive than the Labourchere/Cancellation method above.

Here's another explanation using only the 1 dozen.

Track until the 1 dozen hits.  Look back down the spins until you find the previous 1 dozen hit and bet against the dozen that hit after it.

Example:  Here's our recent spins converted to dozens: 1-3-2-3-2-2-1<-- Here's our 1 dozen.  We look back to the last appearance of the 1 dozen and see that the 3 dozen hit right after it.  So we bet 1-1 on the 1 & 2 dozens.  We're betting that the 3 dozen doesn't hit after the 1 dozen again.

Another bet progression is the 1-1;3-3;9-9;27-27 standard martingale progression for the double dozens.  In order for us to lose this martingale progression, the 1 dozen followed by the 3 dozen, or a zero, would have to occur 5 times in a row.

1
3  The first time
2
2
3
1
3  1st bet
3
2
3
2
1
3  2nd bet
2
2
1
3  3rd bet
3
2
1
3  4th bet

Although it will occur because random can do anything, we should have a pretty good shot at not losing everything we own because it comes up so often.

If we add the 2 dozen and also the 3 dozen, we will be betting almost continuously with very little tracking or waiting for triggers.

Remember, each dozen has it own bet progression.

Also, don't forget that we stop betting if we get a repeat of a dozen until the repeating stops and we stop betting if we get more than 4 alternating dozens such as 3-2-3-2 we stop betting here because from here on we lose every spin until the alternating ends.

[buffalowizard]

Hi George

Thanks for taking this on. I think your tweaks are thoroughly justified. I think this version should be the definitive one. Stopping after repeats and 4 alternates also makes it less intense (slightly!)

I think this warrants further testing. I do believe it has promise. I like the fact that a steady stream of wins do seem to offset the odd loss. Which progression have you been testing with?

Cheers

[vile]

Soon you be in my boots mate.
But will I BE HERE THEN,couse
you will post killers at that time.

[buffalowizard]

Soon you be in my boots mate.
But will I BE HERE THEN,couse
you will post killers at that time.

Was that for me Vile? If so I'm not sure I understand your meaning mate

[GLC]

I think he was reminding me that I'm only a few years away from retirement myslef.  Unless the economy doesn't pick up soon in which case I'll have even longer to wait.

I could retire now if they would legalize online gambling here in Arizona.  As it is, I'm eeking out enough for "bread and smokes" as Ivo puts it down at the local Indian Casino.

I just hope my "thinker" is as sharp when I reach the pension years as yours and Ivo's still are.  You guys probably don't have as many preservatives in your food over there as we do here in the USA.

Hey, Vile, Flat, enjoy your retirement.  You deserve it!

[Tomla021]

been looking over this now Im getting it..thanks george

[GLC]

Since 2cats posted the spins from a session he played, I thought I would play this system using his spins to see how it does.

I'm just going to give statistics.

Flat betting:

1st dozen had 9 losses for -18 vs 24 wins = +6 unts
2nd dozen had 12 losses for -24 vs 25 wins = +1 units
3rd dozen had 10 losses for -20 vs 27 wins = +7 units      +14 units flat betting

Marty 1-1  3-3  9-9  27-27

1st dozen = +24
2nd dozen = +25-80= -55  (Had 4 losses in a row! Wow!
3rd dozen = +27        -55+51 = -4


Labby:

1st dozen = +15
2nd dozen = -4  (ended with 7 losses vs 5 wins so still in the hole when ran out of spins)  Highest bet was 7-7
3rd dozen = +19        15+19-4 =  +30 units


Forced win progression: 1-1  2-2  3-3  4-4  5-5  6-6  7-7 etc...

1st dozen = +18  Highest bet 10-10
2nd dozen = -8
3rd dozen = +18       +36-8 = +26


Expanded forced win progression:  1-1 1-1 1-1 2-2 2-2 2-2 3-3 3-3 3-3 4-4 4-4 4-4 5-5 etc....

1st dozen = +9
2nd dozen = 0   Highest bet 4-4
3rd dozen = +9      9+9 = +18 units


As we can see, every bet progression won units except the marty.  I'm confident that if we had continued with more spins, even it would have won some.

The flat bet was very impressive with +14 units.

The expanded forced win progression was also impressive with +28 with a high bet of 4-4.

I'm still not discouraged.

[GLC]

Here's an example of a session played to +10.

Just so you can see how to play.

[buffalowizard]

George, do you think that flat betting could work with this, based on your tests so far?
After all that would be the ideal solution