The JL Challenge

iggiv · Jul 02, 08:02 AM 2012

real casino spins can be taken from anywhere. for example from smartlive casino or casino vittoriosa. And they are not in archives there, but rather in real time. To scan spins from there
our bud John will have to sit there and watch those casinos 24/7.

That's OK. if u wanna find something really unbiased and foolproof better don't rely on your RNGs, they may be wrong as well.

take spins from random.org, that's gonna most unbiased RNG u can find.

Johnlegend · Jul 02, 08:59 AM 2012

Thanks for all the well wishes guys, Iggiv is right I honestly want to prove its possible to profit from this game, This is only the start, I want to try and beat the RNG Then I dont mind doing another test with ACTUALS, Ive only played one session on Bayes RNG but I praise him for delivering a fair easy to play set up, It behaves as I expect an RNG to behave, Trust me winning at roulette is not easy but its possible, I will take it slow over the first twenty sessions and attempt to double the BR, Speak soon and thanks again for ur support,

Johnlegend · Jul 02, 02:36 PM 2012

Great news Bayes and I have finally got lift off with this challenge. I had quite a tough first session. But managed to still increase the BR by 3% to 206 units. I will let Bayes give you guys the link so any interested can chart my progress.

Bayes · Jul 02, 03:25 PM 2012

Ok guys, here's the link to the site where you can follow John's progress (note: the format of the results is SELECTION STAKE WIN/LOSS BANK) -

link:://:.gigabean.co.uk/jltest.html

6 units down, 394 to go.

TwoCatSam · Jul 02, 04:04 PM 2012

JL

I think it's safe to say we are all interested.

I wish you the best!

TCS

Johnlegend · Jul 02, 04:37 PM 2012

Quote from: TwoCatSam on Jul 02, 04:04 PM 2012
JL

I think it's safe to say we are all interested.

I wish you the best!

TCS

Thankyou Sam.

iggiv · Jul 02, 05:13 PM 2012

I want John to prove his point. He is a good guy and not a liar, i am sure about it. Though our views on roulette are different, i trust him. He got no reasons and no interest to lie. I think he has some gut feeling for roulette, that's reason why not so many people are capable to follow him.

Though with RNG it could be totally different. That's not a roulette. Roulette is a mechanical device.

Johnlegend · Jul 02, 05:25 PM 2012

Quote from: iggiv on Jul 02, 05:13 PM 2012
I want John to prove his point. He is a good guy and not a liar, i am sure about it. Though our views on roulette are different, i trust him. He got no reasons and no interest to lie. I think he has some gut feeling for roulette, that's reason why not so many people are capable to follow him.

Though with RNG it could be totally different. That's not a roulette. Roulette is a mechanical device.

Thanks Iggiv. Both can be beaten. But theres no question an RNG is a little harder. That said Pattern Breaker is 16/0 so far on Bayes RNG. I would be hard pressed to have won 16 games in two sessions on a live wheel.

Bayes · Jul 02, 05:26 PM 2012

John,

I was keen to get the program up and running, but the results are a bit sparse. It would be better if I added a few more columns for the number of bets, ratio of wins to losses, a running z-score... You know - all that math boyz nonsense.

I don't know what systems you're using, but it will be interesting to see whether over time any true advantage emerges from your bet selections, or whether it all comes down to money-management.

I'll leave it a couple of days to make sure there are no problems, then I'll add the extra columns. I'll send you a new version of the program with the updated starting bank.

Johnlegend · Jul 02, 05:35 PM 2012

Quote from: Bayes on Jul 02, 05:26 PM 2012
John,

I was keen to get the program up and running, but the results are a bit sparse. It would be better if I added a few more columns for the number of bets, ratio of wins to losses, a running z-score... You know - all that math boyz nonsense.

I don't know what systems you're using, but it will be interesting to see whether over time any true advantage emerges from your bet selections, or whether it all comes down to money-management.

I'll leave it a couple of days to make sure there are no problems, then I'll add the extra columns. I'll send you a new version of the program with the updated starting bank.

Okay Bayes so long as I dont have to start over. RNGs are tough to beat period. The thing that will make the difference overtime Bayes is the human Factor. Iggiv seems to sense this about me. And I know its fact. I have a feeling when its time to shut up shop. I wanted to get to 210---212 tonight. But It wasnt going my way. I entered the cycle at the worst possible time tonight. And got a field of hard games to play and beat.

The first session I played on your RNG was the opposite. I entered at the perfect time. And won 5 units like it was nothing. But because of the software problems had to forfeit that gain. So technically I would be at 211 right now. But thats my next goal. Cheers.

Bayes · Jul 02, 05:38 PM 2012

Quote from: iggiv on Jul 02, 05:13 PM 2012
Though with RNG it could be totally different. That's not a roulette. Roulette is a mechanical device.

I think there will always be a debate about this, but as far as I'm concerned there is no reason to believe, and no evidence whatsoever that RNG and wheel produce different results. The wheel is, after all, just a physical RNG. You can argue that a real wheel isn't "random" in the same way that an RNG is, because you can measure things like wheel and ball speed etc on a wheel, but in terms of the distribution of numbers and groups, there is no difference.

Some of you might be aware of the test I did on VLS with bombus and others. I posted 100 sets of 300 spins, some of the sets were RNG, some were actuals. No-one who did the test was able to determine which was which by any significant margin.

TwoCatSam · Jul 02, 05:39 PM 2012

I am aware of that test......

Bayes · Jul 02, 05:42 PM 2012

Quote from: Johnlegend on Jul 02, 05:35 PM 2012
Okay Bayes so long as I don't have to start over.

No, the new version's starting bank will be whatever your current bank is. Apart from that, everything will be the same apart from the additional columns.

flukey luke · Jul 02, 05:46 PM 2012

Quote from: Bayes on Jul 02, 05:38 PM 2012
I think there will always be a debate about this, but as far as I'm concerned there is no reason to believe, and no evidence whatsoever that RNG and wheel produce different results. In terms of the distribution of numbers and groups, there is no difference.

I agree 100% with that.

Good luck with the challenge John.

Johnlegend · Jul 02, 05:54 PM 2012

Quote from: flukey luke on Jul 02, 05:46 PM 2012

I agree 100% with that.

Good luck with the challenge John.

Thanks Flukey. Early stages will be slow and cautious. If I make my goal of 400 units then the real business begins. And I can accelerate my gains nicely.

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