The JL Challenge

[amk]

Many thanks Drazen!

Keep the faith here JL!

Remember his motivation is to help us, whether right or wrong it is very noble to do so considering his busy playing schedule.......

[Still]

JL=voodoo

When he waste time with RNG so do i teach others how to play the game for real ...
JL does not know so much about roulette.

Why would i - waste of time and Bayes knows that.
All systems fail - i apologies saying that - but that is the truth.

@Drazen

Thanks very much.  I mentioned it here because it is here in this thread that ego has mentioned he was teaching how to play the game for real.  Yes, i could search all his threads, but in the one thread where i showed interest in learning, and where an end to searching seemed promised, it felt to me like he had abandoned the thread before it was made clear. By comparison,  I don't think JL would have done that. 

Now i am confused by the two statements made above that seem to me to be incongruous.  Teaching how to play "for real" seems to imply the game can be beat...or at least that his method could beat JL's "voodoo" methods.  "For real" and "all systems fail" seem contradictory to me...so i am just wondering if ego would show us what his methods look like when he plays them on Bayes RNG. 

Meanwhile, i appreciate the fact that you are following ego's contributions and have a good grasp of them.  I will look closely at what you and albertjonas and carpanta have to say about them.  But since i saw ego make these statements, i was asking a little more from him.  That could be as little as a list of links that would constitute the body of his work, the most salient descriptions of his work, or his latest greatest discoveries. 

Sorry if this is out of place. 

~Still

[Drazen]

@Drazen
Now i am confused by the two statements made above that seem to me to be incongruous.  Teaching how to play "for real" seems to imply the game can be beat...or at least that his method could be JL's "voodoo" methods.  "For real" and "all systems fail" seem contradictory to me...so i am just wondering if ego would show us what his methods look like when he plays them on Bayes RNG. 

"For real" and "all systems fail" are not same things mr. ego was reffering to. You see, he is true visual balistic expert, and if you don't know i ll explain. Visual balistic is part of so called advantage play methods- methods that use physics parameters of this game to exclude negative mathematical expectation and actualy create postive expectation with positive edge on your side

All systems will fail if tested on millions of spins, and all Advantage-play experts and math guys says that is impossible to succed  with systems no matter how you play, but on other hand i know few real system professionals, so that is contrary in theory in a way. LoL

Mr. ego never uses any systems as he doesn't have to. But he has incredible level of phanatism and obsession for this game, so he studies some other things except Advantage play, as his hoby. I have to admit i know many professionals and roulette lovers, but so knowledable in so many areas of roulette as him i assure you, you won't find so easy. Hatt off!

don't take mr. ego as harsh and weird man if he doesn't reply, because he is totaly opposite actualy, but you have to understand that he doesn't have time and can't explain basic things to all total newbies who pull him for sleeve. He explained it clear (most of the time LoL), it is up to you to figure it out, test it and see it.

If you are interested on his elaborations with systems i can reccomend threads about Marigny and Markov chain. Actualy as i know for now Marigny is the only thing except Advantage-play that can create an edge but only with La Partage rule and with proper MM and ego showed that on one other forum, but it is quite hard to play it in practice (although not impossible).

But enough of ego here, glory here should go to JL and his way of playing . At least some are hoping to that

Cheers


Drazen

[Still]

@drazen

Thanks.  Yes, i'm aware ego is more visual balistic and advantage play.  But i had not seen him teaching anything but systems, even if only as hobby.  So i assumed when he said "for real" he may have been implying one of his systems, perhaps based on Marigny, might actually work.  I've got the link(s) on thread(s) you pointed to because i have a folder dedicated to ego and your contributions.  I'll be sure to pay more attention to them if you really think one can get an edge that way.  That is what i understood...that even though it is a system, and they are suggestions,  and it is a hobby for ego, that there's something he is suggesting that can get an edge. 

Hats off to you and your contributions and i will be looking closely. 

[Turner]

Ive been busy working, so I missed that the JL challange had started.
Firstly, I wanted to say to JL that I really admire him putting his money where his mouth is.
Totally impressed.

secondly, Im glad to see an old soldier like Ego admitting no system works. I dont think that matters really. Im still very enthusiastic.

Finally...
Im looking at JL's results and trying to fathom out what "beating roulette" actually means.

JL should have 2500000U and he can beat roulette. marty 16 times to 1million and win 1 unit.

Thats how you beat roulette. its the casino you cant beat. They evolve.

If JL gets to 500U, and looking at it, its going to be 7000 spins, thats about 10 days in a casino 10 hours a day. Is this beating roulette?

[Johnlegend]

Why would i - waste of time and Bayes knows that.
All systems fail - i apologies saying that - but that is the truth.

Lets wait and see. When I was in the black negatives were quite. Now you think I'm over already you all come out of the woodwork. Watch this space. From tomorrow I will demonstrate the art of  Hit and Run. I rarely play a session where I am not at least 1 unit up at some point. Even yesterday I was 2 units up. Now watch how those units add up. Thanks for all the positive support people.

[Johnlegend]

I've been busy working, so I missed that the JL challange had started.
Firstly, I wanted to say to JL that I really admire him putting his money where his mouth is.
Totally impressed.

secondly, I'm glad to see an old soldier like Ego admitting no system works. I don't think that matters really. I'm still very enthusiastic.

Finally...
I'm looking at JL's results and trying to fathom out what "beating roulette" actually means.

JL should have 2500000U and he can beat roulette. marty 16 times to 1million and win 1 unit.

that's how you beat roulette. its the casino you can't beat. They evolve.

If JL gets to 500U, and looking at it, its going to be 7000 spins, that's about 10 days in a casino 10 hours a day. Is this beating roulette?

Wrong evaluation Turnerfeck. I was playing long sessions. Not my usual style. Now watch how it pans out from tomorrow. The bottom line is anytime you are even 1 unit up. You are beating a game of negative expectancy. Something the experts say is a no,no. I will get to 500 units. I will get as far as it takes. Dont put time on success. The objective is to show this games beatable over the LONG HAUL. And I will show just that. By september/october alot of people will be taking me seriously. Mark those words.

[iggiv]

Stay firm John! Show us hit-n-run tactics in action!

[Johnlegend]

Many thanks Drazen!

Keep the faith here JL!

Remember his motivation is to help us, whether right or wrong it is very noble to do so considering his busy playing schedule.......

AMK you know that one already. Its time to show why Hit and Run is the superior way to play and beat this game.

[Johnlegend]

Stay firm John! Show us hit-n-run tactics in action!

Watch this space Iggiv.

[Master_of_pockets]

Yes show us why hit and run is different than playing continuously

[ego]

LOL no need to defend me - but thanks 

@Still PM me and i might help you - but first you have to check my list ...

1. You don't play to become wealthy and live independent life style.
2. You don't play to pay dept or bills as you are working for a living.

If no  then you are good in my book so far - now next level of my list ...

3. You play because you enjoy the game and like to learn more and win some is never wrong.
4. You feel that you could have roulette as life time hobby and get involved with hard core physics.
5. You are not compulsive and greedy.

Now if you done well of my list feel free to PM me.

I can not promise you anything - but i know i can give you some tools and pin point out the correct directions for you.

Cheers

[Bayes]

@ John,

I've sent you a PM.

[Bayes]

Ok guys, Skakus drew my attention to a couple of issues with the software which I've now fixed. I gave JL the opportunity to start afresh with a new bank of 300 units. Pretty generous of me I thought. 

So we're off again and the new URL is link:://:.gigabean.co.uk/jltest.html

Over to you John. 

[Johnlegend]

Ok guys, Skakus drew my attention to a couple of issues with the software which I've now fixed. I gave JL the opportunity to start afresh with a new bank of 300 units. Pretty generous of me I thought. 

So we're off again and the new URL is link:://:.gigabean.co.uk/jltest.html

Over to you John. 

Yes.Bayes being a technophobe id have been None the wiser, but thanks anyway. Gotta give your Rng respect its tough. I'm all.business from now. Will stay focused, first session ltr.