The JL Challenge

[Johnlegend]

Good luck with the "DOUBLE MATCH", Johnlegend.
I was surprised you had such bad result today...!?
I hope your new creation of Double Match will recoup these losses and put you firmly into the profit zone.
A.

Thanks Atlantis. Im down but certainly not out.

[warrior]

?is this rng

[Johnlegend]

To me as i see how many spins you played, when we summarize first try and this is sinking ship... And it is not hit and run.  I see too many played spins...

Now making up some methods with which obviously you are sinking... You don't need more time.

You are fake and you will fail.

Don't bother John, your days are outnumbered.

Nothing personal.

Cheers

Drazen

Wait and see Drazen too quick to judge. Watch the come back. I played too many spins no question. Now I am playing only one method unitl I am well and truly back up there. Watch DOUBLE MATCH and then come back and insult me some more. Nothing personal indeed.

[albertojonas]

OMFG


THIS GUY LOST 100 UNITS IN THIS MANY SPINS?
Must be the worst session ever.



good luck JL!

[Bayes]

Bayes must be loving this.

Not really John. I'm a little disappointed, to be honest. 

For one thing, I thought your money management would be a lot better on the ECs - it's terrible!

BTW, don't worry about going bust because the bankroll CAN go negative, in fact there is no limit. You could go to -1000 or more if you like, but the stakes must be no more than 100 units.

I'd like JL to give this test a fair trial, even if it means him losing face. After all, he can always come back and say it's the tough RNG that caused the losses. BUT, if he's going admit defeat on those grounds, I think he should do the same test using actuals. I did offer to use them before the test started, but JL wanted RNG.

So if the results are poor using the RNG, and JL insists that the RNG is the reason for the poor results, then we should expect him to do a LOT better using actuals, right?

But, it's still early days, so we shouldn't write him off yet.

[amk]

Regardless of anything, the fact remains that JohnLegend made a lot of units last year with very low BR systems and I am sure things are going nicely this year as well. Any updates yet JL?

Will JLs playing style work for everyone, maybe not but 8 or so people out of 10 sounds good

[iggiv]

by the way actuals don't have to be just from Spielbank and not all of them can be "scanned".
Some of them are even in form of pdf files , not text files. Some of them u can capture as jpg file.
I can show Bayes where to get them.

[Johnlegend]

Not really John. I'm a little disappointed, to be honest. 

For one thing, I thought your money management would be a lot better on the ECs - it's terrible!

by the way, don't worry about going bust because the bankroll CAN go negative, in fact there is no limit. You could go to -1000 or more if you like, but the stakes must be no more than 100 units.

I'd like JL to give this test a fair trial, even if it means him losing face. After all, he can always come back and say it's the tough RNG that caused the losses. BUT, if he's going admit defeat on those grounds, I think he should do the same test using actuals. I did offer to use them before the test started, but JL wanted RNG.

So if the results are poor using the RNG, and JL insists that the RNG is the reason for the poor results, then we should expect him to do a LOT better using actuals, right?

But, it's still early days, so we shouldn't write him off yet.

Don't write me off anyone. I've been down a lot worse. I will come back don't worry about that. And yes next up will be actuals Bayes. I'm doing it all over the next 6 months to a year.

When I see people like Drazen attack me as soon as the results are negative. It shows them for who they are. I know the nature of the game. I tried to play too much and got chewed up. Lost in the day. I went down to 163 at one point and now I'm back to 203. And I've brought out the big gun. DOUBLE MATCH. I shouldve employed it from the get go. Its the only method I've ever used that can beat a real RNG. So it should have no trouble pulling me back. On Bayes creation.
Iggiv relax. I'm in lockdown mode now. Recovery back into profitville is underway. You know its a different feel that's all. Theres no physical wheel. You just press a button and a number appears. Its called the JL challenge for a reason. All I ask is you give me time. Rome wasn't built in a day. I will recover. Move firmly into profit. And next up I will take on the actuals test. GAME ON...

[Johnlegend]

Guys, I'm curious. I really can't tell the difference between RNG and actuals. Can you say what it is about this RNG which makes it tough?

Try to be specific, if you can, don't just say it's more unpredictable. Unpredictable in what way? too many/not enough streaks, chops, repeaters, too many "weird" patterns?

To be honest, I think it's all in your minds. If you didn't know it was RNG you wouldn't be complaining. 

I relish the challenge Bayes. Your RNG appears harder to beat than say the one I practice on and test methods on at Ladbrokes. As you say it could be in the mind. I know I am playing more tentatively on your RNG than I would when I'm testing on the Ladbrokes one because. Obviously theres more at stake. I would have recovered a lot more quickly on the ladbrokes. Because I would let rip with the stakes when I know I'm almost certain to win. I'm being over cautious here and trying to do too much too soon. And getting my arse kicked in the process.

Now I've taken stock. Employed a great method for RNGs and will at my own pace pull it back. And do what I came to do. Nobody need fear for me. Today was as bad as it will ever get. Now I do it at my pace. If that's 5 units a day its 5 units. When its 15 or 20 a day so shall it be. Anyone who wants to attack me save it. If you don't like me just stay off the thread. And do your own thing. Therell come a time when I won't need to say a word. That's all I've got to say. I won't pass comment on this thread again. Until I'm in a situation where some positive exchange can take place. Bayes can PM me at anytime as can anyone if you have any questions. You just check in from time to time if you are interested. And youll see why I'm not even conccerned about the setback. Its done now I move forward.

[maestro]

why people do not leave the person to prove and do what he has to do ,why are you acting like first time gambler like never seen bankroll to go down 100 units...its called gambling..oh this is bad rng will be better on life wheel and so on...just get it this are numbers being spat from either rng or wheel does not make difference...and question @Bayes can i have some spin data from your rng i just want to check something for myself...thank you

[justanothergambler]

calm down guys! its just opinions why you have to argue?
what I see people defending JL and others saying their opinions about the facts they see .. bankroll going down etc.. its also mistake from JL as he makes strong claims so these people expected lot more from him! not letting his bankroll going free fall twice.  he still has 200 he can come back from that hole if he stick to his saying like determination and hit run etc. lets not judge him now, its gambling after all.

Bayes: can we have a copy of that program to test your spins (you dnt have to include the sending to web method) thanx.

[Bayes]

Ok, since a couple of members have asked, I've attached a cut-down version of the software. It doesn't upload or save any results, and the bank resets to 300 units on startup.

[Bayes]

by the way actuals don't have to be just from Spielbank and not all of them can be "scanned".
Some of them are even in form of pdf files , not text files. Some of them You can capture as jpg file.
I can show Bayes where to get them.

iggiv, the problem with spins on jpg files is that it's hard to read them into a program. 1000s of spins will be needed, and I'm certainly not going to enter them manually! If they're on a pdf it will be easier, because you can convert pdf to text files. Anyway, plenty of time for thinking about that later, let's get past this challenge first. 

[ego]

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So how does it goes with the challenge - any update?

[Skakus]

I’ve tried a few ‘practice sessions’ to get a feel for this challenge format and I’ll probably try some more before I rip in.

I’ll only ever really be able to roughly explain my bet selections because even though I’m using a systematic approach, I’m still deciding whether or not to bet etc on a spin by spin basis. Also the selection method could evolve somewhat as we go.

The main point of my attempt to beat Bayes RNG is,
A) To test out my EC Money Management strategy.
B) To win, and to show it can be done.

Now I’m no Johnlegend, and this challenge is a long term deal, but at the end I’m hoping to start a new thread called, ‘RIP Bayes RNG’ or ‘Skakus Is A Douchbag’.