The JL Challenge

[Drazen]

Maybe some would like to see you fail, but more of us by far are hoping that you succeed.

Too bad one can't beat roulette just from hoping to beat it... Or persuading other people that some illusion can help (like hit and run) It needs a bit more than that... don't you think dear George?


Cheers


Drazen

[Johnlegend]

Too bad one can't beat roulette just from hoping to beat it... Or persuading other people that some illusion can help (like hit and run) It needs a bit more than that... don't you think dear George?


Cheers


Drazen

Hit and Run Illusion? Come back in the middle of August and see if you can say that again Drazen.

[GLC]

Too bad one can't beat roulette just from hoping to beat it... Or persuading other people that some illusion can help (like hit and run) It needs a bit more than that... don't you think dear George?


Cheers


Drazen

If I did, I'd quit trolling around on this forum!

G

[albertojonas]

Hit and Run Illusion? Come back in the middle of August and see if you can say that again Drazen.

In my casino they have mini-roulette in the bathrooms for hit & run strategies. 

[Ralph]

It is "Hit and Run" the question is the session time, which can be long, but not too loooong.

As my wife use to say come fast, but no too fast. Its a thrilling thing the game!

[Drazen]

If I did, I'd quit trolling around on this forum!

G

Dear G if some is not trolling that is you. You are minister of progressions and MM on this forum if you ask me and i have stated that many times... If someone here deserved to see the light in the end of a this long dark tunel you would be defintely one of the first ones...


What i can say (and i never lie) that i have seen and actualy know a way to create real edge...


I am leaving this place for some time because there is not much more for me here i am afraid...


I will never forget place and people from whom i "originated" actualy and i ll drop here from time to time to check you all up...


But now my dear, actualy REAL and not so fast fight for me begins. It will still need so much darn efforts and struggle but i am so ready to work long and hard to achieve it and i ll have every right to demand that i succed. Failure is not an option, it never was, i was telling that to myslelf every time i saw this beautifull game of wheel...


JL i wish you all the best, please dont resent me anything, never had any hard or personal feelings.


Every one has to find his own way in the end i would say... The time will discern winners from losers...


Cheers and keep up good work, whatever that could mean for one


Best regards and be blessed all


Good luck for the ones who needs it also..


Over and out


Drazen

[Johnlegend]

How does that prove I'm wrong? Proves I'm right if anything.

{It's why you'll never see 3 continuous W's when he's betting the dozens.}

That's not true Monaco I've had three in a row many times. And between Thursday and Friday had 5 wins in a row against Bayes formiddable Rng.

[Johnlegend]

Dear G if some is not trolling that is you. You are minister of progressions and MM on this forum if you ask me and i have stated that many times... If someone here deserved to see the light in the end of a this long dark tunel you would be defintely one of the first ones...


What i can say (and i never lie) that i have seen and actualy know a way to create real edge...


I am leaving this place for some time because there is not much more for me here i am afraid...


I will never forget place and people from whom i "originated" actualy and i ll drop here from time to time to check you all up...


But now my dear, actualy REAL and not so fast fight for me begins. It will still need so much darn efforts and struggle but i am so ready to work long and hard to achieve it and i ll have every right to demand that i succed. Failure is not an option, it never was, i was telling that to myslelf every time i saw this beautifull game of wheel...


JL i wish you all the best, please don't resent me anything, never had any hard or personal feelings.


Every one has to find his own way in the end i would say... The time will discern winners from losers...


Cheers and keep up good work, whatever that could mean for one


Best regards and be blessed all


Good luck for the ones who needs it also..


Over and out


Drazen

Okay Drazen all the best, TIME will tell the story. This is at least a year long journey for me I've stumbled and struggled in my first 3 weeks. But at the same time I've learnt. What you have to realize is what you've seen is me testing a lot of the time In real play. Its not my normal way. I've been trying to learn how to beat this rng. It took me a month to learn how to beat Ladbrokes Rng. I wiped out the 200 points start many times. But once I learnt I never lost the BR again. That's how it is with me.

The differnece here is you all get to see me. And some will make snap judgements and think its over for me because I tasted double digits. That's fine, the journey has only begun. I now feel I have what it takes to beat this RNG longterm. To Bayes and others who ask what is the difference between an RNG and a live wheel. Its pattern formation.

Both are random and theres no question Bayes RNG is fair. But what RNGs do differently in my experience (and the Ladbrokes and Bet365 ones are just the same) Is throw up more unusual seemingly impossible continuos clustered trends. True a real wheel could do this too. But not with the same regularity. This is what I've had to adjust to with this RNG, and its taken me 3 weeks to understand how it flows. Zeros are the other thing. An RNG will often hit you with a flow of zeros that would rarely be seen in live play. This happened to me last week when I came close to tasting negative numbers.

2,1,3,0,0,0,3,2,0,0,1,2,0,3,0,1,0,

Now that could happen on a real wheel. But that kind of clustered hit of Zeros tends to happen more often on an RNG. Obviously if your bets on any of them its lost. This is why as the weeks rolled by I noticed the only method that could really survive this RNG is the Zone. And even there I've tweaked it to switch between dozens on every bet. So as to slip trends. And it appears to be working. Its prospured over the last three weeks on paper. And has got off to a nice start in real play. Lets see how it does over the coming weeks.

[GLC]

Best to you Drazen.




I still remember your 1st post on this forum.  It stirred up a lot of excitement.



I hope you finish school if you haven't already.  Just in case.




Your friend always,




George

[Skakus]

I know how it feels to try and beat this rng. I too have been experimenting with different strategies while trying to figure this thing out.

At this point I'm doing better than JL with a bankroll approaching 900 units, but it has taken what seems like forever to reach this level, and I feel I could lose most of it in a flash.


I must admit, even though I'm winning, and have almost tripled the starting bankroll, I had a dream start and since then I've struggled to make any headway at all. If you remove what could have just been a lucky start, then I have been struggling to barely break even over many spins, many bets, and huge expense.

I am seriously thinking about conceding defeat at this point, and I'm well in front. But I'll keep going for now, as is JL.

Good luck JL, I know first hand how tough this is.


link:://:.gigabean.co.uk/s_test.html

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[Johnlegend]

I know how it feels to try and beat this rng. I too have been experimenting with different strategies while trying to figure this thing out.

At this point I'm doing better than JL with a bankroll approaching 900 units, but it has taken what seems like forever to reach this level, and I feel I could lose most of it in a flash.


I must admit, even though I'm winning, and have almost tripled the starting bankroll, I had a dream start and since then I've struggled to make any headway at all. If you remove what could have just been a lucky start, then I have been struggling to barely break even over many spins, many bets, and huge expense.

I am seriously thinking about conceding defeat at this point, and I'm well in front. But I'll keep going for now, as is JL.

Good luck JL, I know first hand how tough this is.


link:://:.gigabean.co.uk/s_test.html

Thanks Skakus you have done really well don't give it up. I said to Bayes although I got no confirmation from him, that the parameters of failure and success with this test should be -500 to +5000. I think that's a fair trade. So if you are at 900 points. You are not in a position to even consider conceding defeat.

I think you were expecting too much of yourself in a short period of time that's all. Theres no rushing this thing. I know for example most of my winners will come in a maximum of 5 bets now for example. At a 2/1 payback. Do you know how tempting it is to really go for it and smash my way back over 300 points in one day?? But no, I could run into that 5 plus losing streak at anytime and wipe myself out. So you have to bide your time and accept the small daily profits until you are in a position to really make some decent sized wins.

Take your time Skakus, I aim to reach 5,000 points or more in a year that's my timeline. You should set yourself a similar longterm goal. Well done and stay optimistic.

[monaco]

That's not true Monaco I've had three in a row many times. And between Thursday and Friday had 5 wins in a row against Bayes formiddable Rng.

hi JL


no, i dont mean you wont have 3 winners in a row, i mean in the test results, when you're betting double dozens, it wont show as WWW


for example you'll never see -
W
L
W
L
L
W
W
W..


when you're betting double dozens, because you are making 2 bets with every double dozen bet, ie. dozen 1 & dozen 2, so even if you win the bet on dozen 1, dozen 2 loses, this will show as
W
L


so therefore impossible to see
W
W
W when you're making double dozen bets - that's all.


It was just me trying to figure out how the results display.




When you had those 5 W's in a row on Thu/Fri - were they single dozen bets?
If not, then I'm confused...

[Johnlegend]

hi JL


no, i don't mean you won't have 3 winners in a row, i mean in the test results, when you're betting double dozens, it won't show as WWW


for example you'll never see -
W
L
W
L
L
W
W
W..


when you're betting double dozens, because you are making 2 bets with every double dozen bet, ie. dozen 1 & dozen 2, so even if you win the bet on dozen 1, dozen 2 loses, this will show as
W
L


so therefore impossible to see
W
W
W when you're making double dozen bets - that's all.


It was just me trying to figure out how the results display.




When you had those 5 W's in a row on Thu/Fri - were they single dozen bets?
If not, then I'm confused...

Okay Monaco, I understand what you are saying. Yes the 5 in a row were single dozen bets. As I am playing a tweaked version of the ZONE. Most of my bets will be single dozen from here on. I may come back to double dozen bets once I have a healthy BR.

[Twisteruk]

Im impressed JL, keep goin